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« 2013-Sep-16, 10:49 AM Reply #25 »
And whilst you're at it, can you and "your mate" please stop sending me PM's asking for me to join you up to Citi - given your publically stated stance on the outfit I find it highly hypocritical and perhaps it shows your true colours that from up on your high horse you'd even contemplate joining the gravy train on one hand, whilst preaching to the lemmings of its' ills on the other.
To my knowledge I have never commented in public about any Personal Message, but you seem to have different standards.

But it's probably proper to note I have to my knowledge sent you a total of a single PM. ~100 days back.

As to my public stance:

Sounds bloody good for any consumer able to get set there.

When contrasted to obscene rakes foisted upon us here.


That's been consistent throughout.

If you want to make it any plainer:

If it suits my interests, I wouldn't hesistate to bet with an unlicensed overseas operator.

Just as I wouldn't hesistate to bet in-running from Australia (illegally).

In essence that is what many people here have been driven to do, thanks to the TABS and regulators facilitating Zeljko to wipe punters and the industry out.
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« 2013-Sep-16, 02:51 PM Reply #26 »

If you want to make it any plainer:

If it suits my interests, I wouldn't hesistate to bet with an unlicensed overseas operator.

Just as I wouldn't hesistate to bet in-running from Australia (illegally).


So, in a nutshell, you'll sit on your high horse and pot these outfits non-stop because you can't get in / until you can get in - and then once you manage to find yourself an agent/player relationship that gives you access to said site/s and therefore untapped $$$ possibilities, you'll slide down from your holier than thou position and suddenly they are no longer an issue of concern because you're in and making a motza.


And here you are trying to position yourself to all and sundry to be poles apart from your mate Walsh in ethics, business dealings, modus operandi etc. You two may as well have suckled from the same teat....


   

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« 2013-Sep-16, 03:38 PM Reply #27 »
So, in a nutshell, you'll sit on your high horse and pot these outfits non-stop because you can't get in / until you can get in - and then once you manage to find yourself an agent/player relationship that gives you access to said site/s and therefore untapped $$$ possibilities, you'll slide down from your holier than thou position and suddenly they are no longer an issue of concern because you're in and making a motza.


And here you are trying to position yourself to all and sundry to be poles apart from your mate Walsh in ethics, business dealings, modus operandi etc. You two may as well have suckled from the same teat....
   
How on earth would you know that I can't get in?

Take Tabcorp and Betfair.

I'm a significant customer with both. But at times their harshest critic.  Maybe to my personal detriment.

But in that process I don't resort to anything that's not on the public record.

Furthermore my principal beefs, often stated, are why are Tabcorp, Napthine whomever forcing some towards that direction. And why do the regulators and media fail to confront this?

And were I to go that way, I'd have no problem if the authorities ever closed them down. For good. For everyone.

So no ethical concerns for me in any direction.

There are some unsubtle differences between Walsh and me.

For starters I have never been mentioned in connection with fraud in Hansard or anywhere else.

And I manage to satisfy many of my baser needs over the Internet. Rather than establishing a porn museum.

Or patronising Stillettos. But I wouldn't bet Walsh being allowed in, if he actually managed to find it.

And I don't need to employ 300 Quants to change a light bulb.



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« 2013-Sep-16, 03:51 PM Reply #28 »

If I bookmarked every one of Bubba's new threads, that could provoke another server upgrade and telethon.


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« 2013-Sep-16, 04:52 PM Reply #29 »
emthdown
That must have been exhausting for you.

RUOK?

The rest of us probably have better things to do than deciphering your Tolstoyesque opus.

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« 2013-Sep-16, 06:00 PM Reply #30 »
That must have been exhausting for you.

RUOK?

The rest of us probably have better things to do than deciphering your Tolstoyesque opus.


Sorry thought it better to just post that to indicate my dislike for your little dig at the forum and the wonderful generosity shown by those that care about it's existence. Your probably right though it would have been easier and more apt just to call you a  :censored: .

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« 2013-Sep-16, 06:17 PM Reply #31 »
You beat me to it Chalky, well said   emthup

One must wonder why jfc bothers to slink out of his ivory tower and grace us in the forum with his presence  :rolleyes:

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« 2013-Sep-16, 06:21 PM Reply #32 »
Sorry thought it better to just post that to indicate my dislike for your little dig at the forum and the wonderful generosity shown by those that care about it's existence. Your probably right though it would have been easier and more apt just to call you a  :censored: .
Thank you for your considered input.

By the way, I think your sentiments are redundant.

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« 2013-Sep-16, 06:31 PM Reply #33 »
Sorry thought it better to just post that to indicate my dislike for your little dig at the forum and the wonderful generosity shown by those that care about it's existence. Your probably right though it would have been easier and more apt just to call you a  :censored: .
Furthermore it's highly perceptive of you to conclude that I was having a dig at the forum.

I certainly wasn't aware of that at the time.

And strangely, after factoring in your startling revelations, my opinion is unchanged.

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« 2013-Sep-16, 06:52 PM Reply #34 »
You beat me to it Chalky, well said    emthup  

One must wonder why jfc bothers to slink out of his ivory tower and grace us in the forum with his presence  :rolleyes:
Allow me to assist you.

It's to say things that cry out to be said, but almost no one else is prepared to say.

They don't say it because they think they'll cop a negative impact.

As I do.

Funny thing is, after one cops any amount of baseless Internet flak, any additional attempts don't really get that far.

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« 2013-Sep-16, 07:35 PM Reply #35 »
Three consecutive posts.

The lad doth protest too much, methinks


Seems Harmers has struck a nerve.

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« 2013-Sep-16, 07:44 PM Reply #36 »

If I bookmarked every one of Bubba's new threads, that could provoke another server upgrade and telethon.



Furthermore it's highly perceptive of you to conclude that I was having a dig at the forum.

I certainly wasn't aware of that at the time.

And strangely, after factoring in your startling revelations, my opinion is unchanged.


Yes, the sincerity was there for all to see  :rolleyes:  :thumbsd:


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« 2013-Sep-16, 07:56 PM Reply #37 »
Yes, the sincerity was there for all to see  :rolleyes:  :thumbsd:


The more I re-examine my sentence the more impressed I am.

So far no one has actually specified what part of that droll segment they found objectionable.

Which speaks volumes about their own lack of mental faculties.

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« 2013-Sep-16, 09:21 PM Reply #38 »
Duck & weave all you like, your snide dig is there for all to see.

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« 2013-Sep-17, 07:53 AM Reply #39 »
Three consecutive posts.

The lad doth protest too much, methinks


Seems Harmers has struck a nerve.
Not sure where my previous response vanished.

But let's try another approach.

Are we supposed to be impressed that you can count up to 3, and also use a 4 syllable word?

I suggest that if you actually have some opinion on the related matter, you express it clearly here.

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« 2013-Sep-17, 03:20 PM Reply #40 »
Yes, the sincerity was there for all to see  :rolleyes:  :thumbsd:


Duck & weave all you like, your snide dig is there for all to see.
How many times do you need to be told something so blatantly obvious?

Why waste every reader's time posting near identical content twice, separated by only one short post from someone else?

I'm not that convinced that it even was worth posting once.

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« 2013-Sep-17, 06:09 PM Reply #41 »
Duck & weave all you like, your snide dig is there for all to see.

 :whistle:

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« 2013-Dec-16, 08:02 AM Reply #42 »
I just accidentally stumbled on this one:

As usual no details, but the Sydney phone # is interesting.

On closer inspection it seems that it's somehow associated with Oddsbroker (licensed in Norfolk Island presumably).


http://www.asianbettingexchange.com.au/welcome/



http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/showthread.php?t=27690
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« 2013-Dec-20, 03:52 AM Reply #43 »
That smartgambler thread built up some decent info.

So of course their goons deleted it.

However some information has appeared he

http://www.perthturftalk.com.au/discussion/discussion/16519/new-australian-owned-betting-exchange/p1

Also the video, which might be best watched mute:



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http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/showthread.php?t=27697

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« 2014-Nov-28, 11:22 AM Reply #44 »
Fletcheresque Tote Manipulation?

All perfectly legal, by the way.

Lesser-known Asian betting exchange Citibet, a noted outlet for professional punters, also pay the S-TAB dividend for greyhounds.

What a coincidence!

http://www.punters.com.au/news/Dodgy-dealings-on-the-dogs_133669/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email-newsletter

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« 2014-Nov-28, 02:08 PM Reply #45 »
The race in question (in Lamb's article via punters.com.au) had the WIN pool on NSW-Tab 'rorted'.

Perps on this occasion would not have been playing on Citi, as you can only get set for pennies on the NSW div.

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« 2015-Jan-05, 05:12 AM Reply #47 »
Just read most of that fascinating piece again.

HK are kidding themselves if they think that the unlicensed activity is somehow boosting their own revenue.

If I was playing this and could Lay the Field at the average Odds, then I should end up All Green.

So why on earth would I then bother donating any money to HK!

V'landys and Tabcorp are kidding themselves if they think they can stop the increasing exodus over to such outfits, by those seeking refuge from the local usurious Rakes.

Filipino call centres are all the rage currently, as well as other computer services. How can anyone determine whether Filipino financial transactions are genuine or not?


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« 2015-Aug-27, 04:01 PM Reply #49 »
Wonder how this can be enforced?


New rules have been introduced which will make it an offence for any licensed racing participant to bet with non-approved wagering operators, principally offshore corporate bookmakers and betting exchanges.

Racing Victoria (RV) has created a new Victorian local rule, LR66AA, which applies to all licensed and registered persons, including trainers, trainers’ stable employees, bookmakers and farriers.

Importantly, this rule will also cover racehorse owners and industry officials.

http://www.racing.com/news/2015-08-27/rules-tighten-against-offshore-bookmakers


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