Author Topic: Class Ratings Reference (Read 3486 times)

Stormy · O.P. « 2016-Jun-07, 09:57 PM »

Will be posting tables of different class Ratings so you can see the difference and strength between different races.
They will be in table format and easy to read.

As with everything, a rating based system built using your own ratings is only as good as your last winner and it is very easy to still miss the winner/placegetters even when the ratings are correct.

Such is modern racing.

Therefore ratings can only be used as a guide in assessing race form and contribute perhaps one fifth of the total picture. One of the major strengths of ratings is that the figures when done well can be considered to be part of the "facts" for a race, similar to other facts like weight carried, barrier draw and so on.
The ratings in the new ratings based system are based from the top down, that is the horse rating 68 in a 68 event will carry the top weight and weights will decrease by half a kilogram for each rating point decrease. Don Scott style ratings used by most are based on a base rating with the weight added to the base rating, bottom up, if you like.

As a result, the ratings can act as a strong pointer to the likely winner.

Stormy · « 2016-Jun-07, 10:03 PM **Reply #1** »

Bench Mark Ratings

BMRD	BMR	Open Race	OPRBMR	M Class D	MCBMR
Saturday, Metro BM96 $80k	62	Group 1 WFA Cox Plate	80	Groups 1 WFA Mares	70
Saturday, Metro BM 90 $80	56	Group 1 WFA & Group 1 Cau	78	Group 1 Mares	68
Mid Week, Metro BM 90 $40	52	Group 1 Hcp & Group 2 WFA	76	Group 2 Mares	66
Saturday, Metro BM84 $80k	50	Group 2 Hcp & Group 3 WFA	74	Group 3 Mares	64
Mid Week, Metro BM84 $40k	46	Group 3 Hcp	72	Listed Mares	62
Saturday, Metro BM78 $80k	44	Listed Hcp	70	Saturday, Metro Open Mare	58
Mid Week, Metro BM78 $40k	40	Saturday, Metro Open Hcp	66	Mid Week, Metro Open Mare	54
Country Premier, BM78 $30	36	Mid Week, Metro Open Hcp	62
Saturday, Metro BM70 $80k	36	Country Premier Open Hcp	58
Country, BM78 $20k	32	Country Open Hcp $20k	54
Mid Week, Metro BM70 $40k	32
Saturday, Metro BM64 $80k	30
Country Premier, BM70 $30	28
Mid Week, Metro BM64 $40k	26
Country, BM70 $20k	24
Country Premier, BM64 $23	22
Country, BM64 $20k	18
Mid Week Metro, Maiden $2	18
Country Premier, BM58 $23	16
Country Premier Maiden $2	16
Country, BM58 $16k	12
Country Maiden $20k	12
Class 1	24
Class 2	26
Class 3	28
Class 4	30
Class 5	33
Class 6	35

3 Year Old	3yoBMR	F&MD	F&MBMR
Group 1	68	Group 1	64
Group 2	70	Group 2	66
Group 3	68	Group 3	64
Listed	66	Listed	62
Saturday, Open 3yo $80k	62	Saturday, Open 3yo $80k	58
Mid Week, Metro Open 3yo	58	Mid Week, Metro Open 3yo	54
Country Premier, Open 3yo	54	Country Premier, Open 3yo	50
Country Open 3yo $20k	50	Country Open 3yo $20k	46

Stormy · « 2016-Jun-07, 10:08 PM **Reply #2** »

Feature And Quality Handicaps

Nsw	Nsw CR	Vic	VicCR	SAus	SACR
Canterbury Cup	63	Ampol Stakes	62	Ansett Cup	61
Chairmans Hcp	63	Australian Cup	63	Brisbane Cup	60
Diners Club Cup	63	Bagot Hcp	63	Castlemain Stakes (2yo )	51
Doncaster Hcp	62	Blamey Stakes	64	Crest International Cup	59
Epsom Hcp	62	Caulfield Cup	59	E.E.D White Lightning Hcp	59
Galaxy Hcp	62	Coogny Hcp	63	Elders Hcp	60
Kingston Town Stakes	64	Dalgety	63	Fourex Cup	62
Liverpool City Cup	63	Easter Cup	62	Prime Minister Cup	59
The Metropolitan	62	Elders Mile	65	Rothmans 100,000	60
N.E Manion Cup	63	Frances Tressady Stakes	63	Tourist Ministers Cup	62
Newcastle Cup	62	Gadsden Stakes	64
Queen Of Turf Stakes (F & M)	58	G.J Coles Stakes	63
Rosemount Wines Classic (F&M)	60	Herbert Power Hcp	63
Summer Cup	63	Marlboro Cup	64
Sydney Cup	62	Melbourne Cup	59
Theo Marks Quality Hcp	64	Moonee Valley Cup	63
Tramway Hcp	63	New Market Hcp	63
Villiers Stakes	63	Oakleigh Plate	63
		Queen Elizabeth Stakes	63
		Sandown Cup	63
		Schweppes Cup (3yo C&G)	56
		Standish Hcp	63
		St George Stakes	62
		T.S. Carlyon Cup	63
		Victoria Hcp	62

WA	WACR	Tas	TasCR	QLD	QLDCR
Adelaide Cup	61	Astra Quality Stakes	60	Hobart Cup	53
Birthday Cup	60	Belmont Stakes	58	Launceston Cup	53
Christmas Cup	61	Bunbury Cup	59
D.C.Mckay Stakes	60	Easter Cup	60
Escort Cup	60	Perth Cup	58
Goodwood Hcp	61	Railway Stakes	60
Port Adelaide Cup	60	Winter Cup	57
Rain Lover Plate	62
Westend Stakes	60

Stormy · « 2016-Jun-07, 10:15 PM **Reply #3** »

New South Wales Metro A Class Ratings

Class	Standard R	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	June	July
2yo Open		39	40	42	44	45	46	46	47	47	48	49	50
2yo C&G		39	40	42	44	45	46	46	47	47	48	49	50
2yo Fillies		38	39	41	43	44	45	45	46	46	47	48	49
2yo Quality		41	42	44	46	47	48	48	49	49	50	51	52
2yo Q Fillies		40	41	43	45	46	47	47	48	48	49	50	51
3yo Restricted Stakes (1)	49 - 50	50	50	50	50	50	50	51	51	51	51	51	51
3yo Restricted Stakes (1) F	48 -49
3yo Open		50	50	51	51	52	53	54	55	55	55	56	56
3yo Colts and Geldings		50	50	51	51	52	53	54	55	55	55	56	56
3yo Fillies		49	49	50	50	51	52	53	54	54	54	55	55
3yo Quality		52	52	53	53	54	55	56	57	57	57	58	58
3yo Quality (F)		51	51	52	52	53	54	55	56	56	56	57	57
Restricted HCP 2	54
Restricted HCP 2 (F) (M)	53
Fillies and Mares Hcp	56
Welter High Weight	59
Open Distance Hcp	61
Open Sprint Hcp	63
Quality and Feature HCP	65

Stormy · « 2016-Jun-07, 10:20 PM **Reply #4** »

New South Wales Metro B Class Ratings

Class	Standard R	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	June	July
2yo Restricted Hcp (0)		36	37	38	39	40	41	41	42	43	44	45	46
2yo Restricted Hcp (0)(F)		35	36	37	38	39	40	40	41	42	43	44	45
3yo Restricted Hcp (0)	47
3yo Restricted Hcp (0)(F)	46
3yo Restricted Hcp (1)	48 - 49
3yo Restricted Hcp (1)(F)	47 - 48
3yo Restricted Stakes (1)	48 - 49
3yo Restricted Stakes (1)(F)	47 - 48
Restricted Hcp (1)	50
Restricted Hcp (1)(F&M)	49
Restricted Hcp (2)	52
Restricted Hcp (2)(F&M)	51
Welter and High Weight	57

Stormy · « 2016-Jun-07, 10:25 PM **Reply #5** »

Weight For Age Class Ratings

Nsw	Nsw CR	Victoria	VicCR	SAus	SACR
All Aged Stakes	63	A.J.Moir Stakes	61	Lightning Stakes	57
Apollo Stakes	61	Alister Clark Stakes	61	R.N. Irwin Stakes	60
Canterbury Stakes	61	Caulfield Stakes	63	Spring Stakes	59
Challenge Stakes	61	C.F.Orr Stakes	61	Tobin Bronze Stakes	58
Chelmsford Stakes	61	Chester Manifold Stakes	59
Chipping Norton Stakes	63	Chirnside Stakes	61
Expressway Stakes	61	Craiglee Stakes	61
George Main Stakes	63	Futurity Stakes	63
George Ryder Stakes	63	J.F.Feehan Stakes	61
Hill Stakes	61	J.J.Liston Stakes	61
Missile Stakes	59	Lightening Stakes	61
Premiere Stakes	59	Linlithgow Stakes	61
Queen Elizabeth Randwick Stakes	63	L.K.S MacKinnon Stakes	63
Rawson Stakes	63	Manikato Stakes	61
Tancred Stakes	63	Rupert Steele Stakes	59
Warwick Stakes	61	Underwood Stakes	63
		William Reid Stakes	61
		W.S.Cox Plate	63


WA	WACR	Tassie	TACR	QLD	QLDCR
A.J.Scahill Stakes	57	Cinema Stakes	52	P.J.O'shea Stakes	60
C.B.Cox Stakes	59	Elwick Stakes	54
Helena Vale Cup	56	Mowbray Stakes	54
Hyperion Stakes	56	Tasmainian Stakes	52
Lee Steere Stakes	59
Millionaire Sires Stakes	54
Prince Of Wales Stakes	57
Roma Cup	56
Rothwells	61
Strictland Stakes	57
Winter Bottom Stakes	59

Stormy · « 2016-Jun-09, 07:50 PM **Reply #6** »

Set Weight Ratings

Black Opal Stakes	51	Blood Horse Breeders Plate	51	A.B.C.O.S National Stakes	47
Breeder's Plate	46	Blue Diamond Prelude ( C&G)	48	Balcrest Stakes	45
Canonbury Stakes	45	Blue Diamond Prelude (F)	46	Cheltenham Stakes	50
Champange Stakes	55	Blue Diamond Stakes	54	Cinderella Stakes	40
Gimcrack Stakes	44	Byron Moore Stakes	44	Da Costa Plate	41
Gimcrack Stakes	44	Debutante Stakes (C&G)	46	Dequettville Stakes	39
Golden Slipper Stakes	55	Debutante Stakes (F)	44	Fulham Park Plate	42
Magic Night Stakes	49	Great Western Champange Stakes	45	Oaklands Plate	46
Pago Pago Stakes	51	Maribyrnong Plate	47	Queen Adelaide stakes	45
Penfolds Classic	50	Maribyrnong Trial Stakes (C&G)	43	Sires Produce Stakes	52
Reisling Slipper Trial	49	Maribyrnong Trial Stakes (F)	43	South Australian Stakes	50
Silver Slipper Stakes	48	Merson Cooper Stakes	45	Westend Breeders Stakes	49
Sires Produce Stakes	55	Mona Nursery	43
Skyline Stakes	49	Myer Stakes	44
Sweet Embrace Stakes	47	Silver Jubilee Stakes	43
Todman Slipper Trial	51	Sires Produce Stakes	54
Widden Stakes	44

Crystal Slipper Stakes	42	Gold Sovereign Stakes	42	C.E McDougall Stakes	40
Horrie Miller Stakes	40	Tasmainian Carbine Club Stakes	41	Courier Mail Stakes	49
Karrakatta Plate	47			Gold Nugget Stakes	45
Lindsay Rosenthal Stakes	45			J.F.Meynink Stakes	42
Queen's Plate	43			Q.T.C Sires Produce Stakes	53
Sires Produce Stakes	48
Sunspeed Champion Stakes	44
Toyota Stakes	39

Stormy · « 2016-Jun-09, 07:54 PM **Reply #7** »

Provincial C Class Ratings

Class	Standard	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul
2yo Maiden 1st Div		29	30	31	32	33	34	34	35	36	37	38	39
2yo Maiden 1st Div ( C&G)		29	30	31	32	33	34	34	35	36	37	38	39
2yo Maiden 1st Div (F)		28	29	30	31	32	33	33	34	35	36	37	38
2yo Maiden 2nd Div		26	27	28	29	30	31	31	32	33	34	35	36
2yo Maiden 2nd Div ( C&G)		26	27	28	29	30	31	31	32	33	34	35	36
2yo Maiden 2nd Div (F)		25	26	27	28	29	30	30	31	32	33	34	35
2yo Open 1st Div		34	35	36	37	38	39	39	40	41	42	43	44
2yo Colts & Geldings 1st Div		34	35	36	37	38	39	39	40	41	42	43	44
2yo Fillies 1st Div		33	34	35	36	37	38	38	39	40	41	42	43
2yo Open 2nd Div		30	31	32	33	34	35	35	36	37	38	39	40
2yo Colts & Geldings 2nd Div		30	31	32	33	34	35	35	36	37	38	39	40
2yo Fillies 2nd Div		29	30	31	32	33	34	34	35	36	37	38	39
3yo Maiden 1st Div	40
3yo Maiden 1st Div ( C&G)	40
3yo Maiden 1st Div (F)	39
3yo Maiden 2nd Div	37
3yo Maiden 2nd Div ( C&G)	37
3yo Maiden 2nd Div (F)	36
Maiden 1st Div	40
Maiden 2nd Div	37
Intermediate 1st Div	45
Intermediate 2nd Div	41
Intermediate ( Special )	47
Advanced	46
Provincial Stakes	45
Regional Stakes	48
Novice	48
Open Hcp, Welter	53

PoisonPen7 · « 2016-Jun-09, 08:32 PM **Reply #8** »

Intermediate, Novice, Welter? Sounds like the 70's and 80's.

Where are you getting these from Stormy?

gunbower · « 2016-Jun-09, 10:29 PM **Reply #9** »

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trolling

The Carnegie Express · « 2016-Oct-25, 09:28 PM **Reply #10** »

Are these related to Don Scott's race ratings? I'm too busy at present to put together my base rating system but take them from racing and sports. Are these similar?

stiffarm · « 2018-May-24, 01:15 PM **Reply #11** »

Rationale behind the Kingston Town Stakes being rated 1kg higher than Cox Plate?

Speedster88 · « 2018-Oct-09, 04:47 AM **Reply #12** »

Hi Stormy,
At the risk of being accused of sexual harassment, or even being biased towards a particular gender, if you are female, I'd kiss you.
I have been searching for a breakdown of the Australian Racing Class Ladder - in the manner that you have outlined.
See my posts under the INTERNATIONAL RACING section.
Thank you.
This is fantastic stuff.
If you have this kind of breakdowns for NZ, Japan, HK, Singapore and Korea, please upload it or guide me to where I am likely to find this information, on the internet.
I bet primarily in the US - and while we don't have an exact European type rating system, (with Official Handicapper / Benchmark type ratings), our racing class structure usually helps us to make, fairly, easy distinctions.
In the US, our weights are usually between 118 Lbs to 126Lbs. We rarely see anything over 126 and we don't rely on an official handicapper to rate our horses.
I am not interested in the ratings but I like the outline of the different divisions - that helps me to put things in perspective.
Anywho, gotta run. Will be looking at this again.

If you bet US races, I have uploaded the US style Daily Racing Form (DRF) Past Performances (PP's) for races 5 thru 10 at Santa Anita this Afternoon.
I like a longshot called DESERT FOX in the 6th. First time starter has good workouts (barrier trials), get Lasix (Legal Diuretic in the US) and picks up an Apprentice for the debut.
An exacta/Trifecta box with KOPITAR (#7) and OPTIMUM (#5) is what I will play.
Thank you

JWesleyHarding · « 2018-Oct-14, 12:20 PM **Reply #13** »

Speedo

"I'd kiss you"

Seems you might be mistaking our "Stormy" with Stormy Daniels.

Alas Stormy hasn't appeared here for some time.

Northerlywins · « 2018-Oct-21, 11:11 AM **Reply #14** »

I just use official handicapper ratings

arthur · « 2018-Oct-21, 01:11 PM **Reply #15** »

How do you come up with weight advantage/disadvantage in bench-mark races which also use official handicapper ratings . .

I am still a learner (a very slow one) in this area

All help appreciated