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Offline arthur

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« 2018-Nov-03, 10:02 AM Reply #850 »
punters behaviour - has he tried to rort the bet??

If he's the 'mathematical wizard' he's claimed to be; of course he has  . .

But the 'presumption of innocence' must prevail . .

Just as the rules that are in place to safeguard the corps against this sort of thing will prevail

Your expected outcome will most likely be the legal outcome

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« 2018-Nov-03, 10:19 AM Reply #851 »
On purely technical terms the third bet in the multi was never on.  Slater won the Churchill medal AFTER Martin won the Norm Smith medal. The NRL GF is played the day AFTER theAFL GF, Slater could not have won before Martin. Can you back the Caulfield / Melbourne Cup double in reverse ?

Tabcorp should honor the first two bets in the multi and payout $36 X 4 X 32 = $4,608.. he should accept that offer. Why did they only offer $1,152 in the first instance, clearly the first two bets in the multi were successful, not just the Martin/ Slater double .
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« 2018-Nov-03, 10:57 AM Reply #852 »
Maybe the courts can also ask why the odds should be reduced if the TAB allowed the wager and have they done it before?

The biggest rort is backing a double with the same horse or same game multi.

Imagine if I backed a horse to win a race and another horse to win another leg a few weeks down the track. My first horse won but the second horse ran a shocker a week before my first horse won and drifted out in the betting, will I get the longer price? Of course not.

But the bookies expect us to believe that one horse winning both legs should always be shorter. It is gambling and that is why multiplied odds should never change on a double.

Offline Wenona

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« 2018-Nov-03, 11:32 AM Reply #853 »
He's got no chance of getting a payout.

It's an obvious manifest error and all the corporates have rules to cover that.

If the guys a maths/stats major he knows the legs aren't independent and knows he's taking the piss.

He should take the $5,000 - reckon he'll just get paid the $36 stake on the double ie $1,152 if he proceeds ..... unless they rule the bet is invalid and refund him his $36 because he's being a dick.
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« 2018-Nov-03, 11:34 AM Reply #854 »
On purely technical terms the third bet in the multi was never on.  Slater won the Churchill medal AFTER Martin won the Norm Smith medal. The NRL GF is played the day AFTER theAFL GF, Slater could not have won before Martin. Can you back the Caulfield / Melbourne Cup double in reverse ?

Tabcorp should honor the first two bets in the multi and payout $36 X 4 X 32 = $4,608.. he should accept that offer. Why did they only offer $1,152 in the first instance, clearly the first two bets in the multi were successful, not just the Martin/ Slater double .

That would be like taking a multi horse to win the Caulfield Cup into a Cups double with the same horse in the Caulfield Cup and a runner in the Melbourne Cup ...... can't be done ... the events are intertwined.
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« 2018-Nov-03, 02:00 PM Reply #855 »
Getting a bit off topic . . but still on doubles . . and rorts



A long time ago, when the earth was much greener, a mate of mine managed the TAB agency in a small country town, which was a bit like an alcoholic managing a pub, if you get my drift

In those far off, and computerless times, the TAB ran 'feature-doubles' on (amongst many others) the Caulfield/MC . . and country agencies forwarded returns, balances, 'live tickets' etc to head office, AFTER the running of the first leg . . true story

After a horse named Borehead took out the CC, at about 33/1, my mate  found the temptation opportunity too good to pass up; and he had 10 quid Borehead X 6 MC runners

Alas . . . Had he been a little less greedy, and put a couple of quid on each of the field, the story would have had a much happier ending



Said mate has been dead for 50 years, otherwise I would be relating this tale

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« 2018-Nov-03, 02:03 PM Reply #856 »
Said mate has been dead for 50 years, otherwise I would be relating this tale

Would NOT be relating this tale  :sad:


PS . . This accounting procedure may well have been the reason for many feature-doubles returning poor value . . for some  :whistle:
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« 2018-Nov-06, 07:06 AM Reply #857 »
There is a 10 Place Melbourne Cup Market on both Betfair and Sportsbet (and elsewhere?).

Intriguingly Sportsbet has ~10 contingencies >= Betfair.

Suggesting exploitable Free Money opportunities for the astute.

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« 2018-Nov-06, 01:23 PM Reply #858 »
Oh Dear!!


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Offline Wenona

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« 2018-Nov-06, 01:29 PM Reply #859 »
Can't log into Sportsbet as well.  :no:

I you can - you can back Red Cardinal there at $8 First 5 and easy to lay on Betfair at $6.60-$6.80


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« 2018-Nov-06, 03:12 PM Reply #860 »
How's this for some bullshit from Sportsbet?


Rostropovich
@ 2.25
$57.00 Stake | Win
Melbourne Cup - Top 10
Tue 06/11/18
14:00
Won
+$12.83

Less
Bet Placed on:
06/11/18 10:15 am


Marmelo
@ 1.75
$50.00 Stake | Win
Melbourne Cup - Top 10
Tue 06/11/18
14:00
Won
+$8.75

Less
Bet Placed on:
06/11/18 09:16 am

Rostropovich
@ 2.25
$100.00 Stake | Win
Melbourne Cup - Top 10
Tue 06/11/18
14:00
Won
+$22.50


Paid out a grand total of $44.08 instead of the correct $440.75   :thumbsd:

Looks like Sportsbet can only afford 10 cents in the dollar - have administrators been appointed?




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« 2018-Nov-06, 03:15 PM Reply #861 »
There's 61 people in front of me in the live chat queue.   :lol:
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« 2018-Nov-06, 05:38 PM Reply #862 »
Oh Dear!!


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We are currently offline for scheduled maintenance.

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https://www.ladbrokes.com.au/

https://au.news.yahoo.com/fan-fury-betting-sites-crash-melbourne-cup-day-025758850.html


I only had a small Betfair problem just before the jump.

Offline Wenona

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« 2018-Nov-06, 06:30 PM Reply #863 »
Likewise, my Betfair outage was very brief.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2018-Nov-06, 07:04 PM Reply #864 »


ASIC should ensure that this 'investment operator' has the capacity to service its customers

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« 2018-Nov-06, 07:09 PM Reply #865 »

ASIC should ensure that this 'investment operator' has the capacity to service its customers

And further to my comment on the other thread ..... you're also an idiot.


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