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Offline Kryptyk

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O.P. « 2017-Jul-29, 11:27 PM »
Hi all,

I'm experimenting with a few system ideas and need some base ratings.

What sites do you prefer (or can think of) that offer free ratings for all (or most) Australian races? The type of rating doesn't matter.

Cheers, K

Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2017-Jul-30, 03:25 AM Reply #1 »
The two major totalizator operators offer free ratings.

Tatts/UBET

https://tatts.com/racing

and TAB

https://www.tab.com.au/racing/meetings/today/R

I am pretty sure Tatts ratings are supplied by Racing and Sports which have excellent ratings for free and based on the Don Scott methodology  - look for the Free Form Guide

https://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/

WA TAB uses the same ratings Tatts/UBET do.

News Ltd used to have a good free ratings service but some braniac decided to dumb it down and now we have pretty pictures of horses with a legend of what they consider to be a fair price. But reading through the help screen it looks like it is fully automated and the rating is actually calculated by a computer purely based on stats - you will go broke following such. The fact they renamed it "Super Racing" to me indicates that some non-punting Advertising Manager decided "this is what people want".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/form-guide

Personally I think that R&S is the best free ratings service and the simplified conversion to a 100 point system of Tatts is easiest to digest.



 

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« 2017-Jul-30, 04:14 AM Reply #2 »
Thanks Poisonpen7, some great sites there.

Offline Wenona

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« 2017-Jul-30, 11:13 PM Reply #3 »
The best recommendation I can make is to purchase the Wizard ratings produced by Warren Block. Google everyrace.

$5.50 for a day for every meeting in Australia and you get access to the historical database for a week after purchasing a single day.

I've used Warren's stuff since the first day the Wizard appeared on newstands (and it was 5 bucks then) and it is the best .. no question.

Get to know how the numbers are compiled ...... I've got some issues with the way consistency and jockeys are dealt with in the Wizard numbers and I've had numerous conversations with Warren over the years but overall it's the best service of it's type .. no question.

I often wonder if Warren views me as some crazy obsessive ... but he's always polite.  ;)

The Superform ratings service he offers is simply magnificent, ..... $21.50 a week plus $5.50 a each day you want to access for historical ratings on every runner in Australia ..... ridiculous value for the price.   emthup   emthup   emthup   emthup






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« 2017-Jul-31, 02:06 AM Reply #4 »
The best recommendation I can make is to purchase the Wizard ratings produced by Warren Block. Google everyrace.

$5.50 for a day for every meeting in Australia and you get access to the historical database for a week after purchasing a single day.

I've used Warren's stuff since the first day the Wizard appeared on newstands (and it was 5 bucks then) and it is the best .. no question.

Get to know how the numbers are compiled ...... I've got some issues with the way consistency and jockeys are dealt with in the Wizard numbers and I've had numerous conversations with Warren over the years but overall it's the best service of it's type .. no question.

I often wonder if Warren views me as some crazy obsessive ... but he's always polite.  ;)

The Superform ratings service he offers is simply magnificent, ..... $21.50 a week plus $5.50 a each day you want to access for historical ratings on every runner in Australia ..... ridiculous value for the price.   emthup   emthup   emthup   emthup

Out of interest, does anyone else pay (or has paid) for ratings, and if so, do they have an opinion on how good they were/are?

I find doing my own ratings helpful for determining which horses are in well at the weights, but have stopped doing the quantitative analysis that converts a rating to a value price. A lot of work which is often inaccurate IMO. Tend to rely on my own intuition when it comes to determining what is "value".

Even if you use another set of ratings, nothing beats watching video replays and attributing time to form guide study. The more time you spend studying form, the more likely you are to win - I will argue that axiom until I'm blue in the face  :sick:

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« 2017-Jul-31, 10:07 AM Reply #5 »
I use the Superform service because it gives past performance ratings (actual and wfa adjusted) for the last 40 starts of every runner and I like to see the horses whole history when assessing it. I've been using Warren's stuff for so long I live in fear he's going to give it away one day and retire.

I don't use the prices generated by the Superform program and I don't price every runner anymore - but the ratings certainly heavily influence my assessments and like you find value more from 'feel'.

The 'is the horses chance of winning greater than that indicated by it's price' question is still the fundamental question I ask every time.



Offline Kryptyk

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« 2017-Jul-31, 08:16 PM Reply #6 »
Thanks Wenona.

If and when I consider ratings important enough to pay for them I'll definitely go Wizard Ratings - sounds like quality and value.

~K

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« 2017-Aug-02, 06:41 PM Reply #7 »
I backed tenorino today at $41 with an odds boost. Purely on the video of its last run.

Wondering if any of you who do ratings gave him a chance. What if you changed his last run to a win instead of an unplaced run. Would he have rated better?

Offline fours

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« 2017-Aug-02, 06:42 PM Reply #8 »
Hmmm,

One of many chances - cheered him home though - nice FF.

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« 2017-Aug-02, 08:34 PM Reply #9 »
Out of interest, does anyone else pay (or has paid) for ratings, and if so, do they have an opinion on how good they were/are?

I find doing my own ratings helpful for determining which horses are in well at the weights, but have stopped doing the quantitative analysis that converts a rating to a value price.

PP - Years ago the brother in law and I used to get a set of ratings each week which covered the 5 states. It was compiled by two old bookies who lives their lives off the punt. It stood the test of time imho but the key with any ratings is being able to punt correctly, turning a consistent profit. We all have our different methods, be it just taking the overs or playing the exotics etc.

I used to do my own for a long while based off a method that I learned from 'Rad' (those old Racenet members will remember) but I'm pretty time poor these days. I still use a method when doing the form of identifying what I call winning chances & chances etc but I don't convert to a $ figure. That forms the basis of how I treat a race.

I keep detailed records of every bet (keeps me honest) and identified my best methods of punting.


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