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Offline dubbledee

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O.P. « 2013-Aug-13, 01:44 PM »
Just when we thought there could be nothing left to try us, Tattsbet have started the DOUBLE TRIO bet.

It's operating on the last two at Sunshine Coast today.

I doubt there'll be enough in the pool to cover the expected/deserved divvy.

Let's see how things go.

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« 2013-Aug-13, 02:01 PM Reply #1 »
I guess if we have 5 x 5, that's 5C3 squared.  :shy:

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« 2013-Aug-13, 04:05 PM Reply #2 »
I'm a sucker.  :shy:

13/Aug/13 4:03 PM   13/08 QR T2 1 3 5-7/1-3 6 9 10%      10.00   Open   0.00   

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« 2013-Aug-13, 08:16 PM Reply #3 »
Not a lot of interest from punters.

$1800 in the pool and it paid $1k.  :sad:

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« 2013-Aug-25, 12:58 PM Reply #4 »
Tatts ran this again yesterday.

$46k in the pool.

The divvy was $10.5k.  :unsu

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« 2013-Aug-25, 02:53 PM Reply #5 »
Any idea how it works?

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« 2013-Aug-25, 03:11 PM Reply #6 »
Just a double trio, Zoro.

No of trio combos in first leg by no in second leg.

N horses = n x (n-1) x (n-2) / !3

So for 5, it's 5x4x3 / 6 = 10

For 6, it's 6x5x4 /6 = 20

And so on....

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« 2013-Aug-25, 03:28 PM Reply #7 »
By trio do you trifecta?

Offline dubbledee

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« 2013-Aug-25, 03:29 PM Reply #8 »
No, a trio is first 3 in any order.

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« 2013-Aug-25, 03:31 PM Reply #9 »
Isn't that a boxed trifecta?

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« 2013-Aug-25, 04:29 PM Reply #10 »
There are 6 trios in a boxed trifecta (of 3).

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« 2013-Aug-25, 06:06 PM Reply #11 »
I would have said one trio in a trifecta box of 3 runners (6 trifecta combinations)

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« 2013-Aug-25, 06:09 PM Reply #12 »
So to take 4 runners in each leg of the T2 for 100% would cost you $16, and as long as the placegetters came from your 4 picks in each leg you would collect.




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« 2013-Aug-25, 07:45 PM Reply #13 »
What I mean is that we can take 6 trios for the cost of 1 boxed trifecta.

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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:25 PM Reply #14 »
Yep the difference between a trifecta and a trio is the same as the difference between an exacta and a quinella.
The trio just involves selecting the first 3 to pass the post, in any order, instead of the first 2 for a quinella.

For the trio you nominate 3 horses to finish in the first 3 in any order.
This costs $1 for 100% of the dividend.

If you box 4 horses in the trio, there are four different combinations of 3 horses available so the trio bet will cost you $4 for 100% of the dividend.

To win the new "double trio" you have to correctly nominate the first 3 past the post in each of 2 nominated races.
If you successfully nominate the winning combination in 1 race but not the other you get zero; you have to nominate the correct combination in both races to get a collect.

To calculate the cost of a "double trio" you multiply the number of different combinations in your first leg by the number of different combinations in your 2nd leg.

For example, if you take 3 horses in the first leg, there is only 1 combination.
If you take 4 horse in your 2nd leg there are 4 different combinations of 3 horses in that leg.
1x4=4, your investment is $4 for 100%.

If you took 4 horses in each leg the cost would be 4x4=16 combinations; $16 for 100%.
You can take any ticket for as little as 1%.

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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:27 PM Reply #15 »
Did you have a go DD?

I reckon they need to promote the cost of multiples a bit more. eg Take 4 runners in each leg and for a total investment of $1 you have the divy for 6.66%  Take 5 in each leg and for $10 total you get 10% of the divy.



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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:33 PM Reply #16 »
Not yesterday, Wenona.  I didn't give it a thought and wouldn't have gone too well.  Maybe had R7 covered.

I did try $10 at SC last week and got 1-2-4 into 1-2-3.  :rant:

Seriously, I doubt this will be a winner for Tatts.  Whatever goes in there will be money cannibalised from other pools.

I think the TRIPLE TRIO is the big one on HK, is it not?

I wish they'd let me die in peace.

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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:35 PM Reply #17 »
Out of interest, the TRIO was the forerunner of trifectas in Oz.

I think some States ran both, until the wiseheads running TABs went for the TRI alone.

Personally, I'd see value in running BOTH.  :bulb:

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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:37 PM Reply #18 »
If you already have trifectas, why would you bother offering a trio as well.
With fractional betting anyone wanting a trio can just whack on a box trifecta for the same result.

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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:38 PM Reply #19 »
I want a trio because they're a lot cheaper.

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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:41 PM Reply #20 »
Like saying we have EXACTAS so get rid of QUINELLAS.

Punters are far more disposed to QUINELLAS - like about twice as much.  :bulb:

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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:46 PM Reply #21 »
Yes, quinellas were well established for very many years before Exactas were introduced.
I never understood why they bothered to introduce Exactas.
However, I don't complain; no skin off my nose, I just don't take Exactas.

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« 2013-Aug-25, 08:50 PM Reply #22 »
You sound like a TRIO man, Lert.  :bulb:

Just on Exactas, in the days when most punters were at the track, Es were run as FORECASTS.  That's going back 50 years I'd reckon.

As we know, in HK, the fans go craaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy over the Qs.  :shrug:

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« 2013-Aug-25, 09:10 PM Reply #23 »
Both options were offered in WA up until the early 90's.

They called the trio a tierce but it had very small pools and was discontinued.

The triple trio in Hong Kong is popular I think because of big jackpots on  a regular basis.

However hard to compare what would happen here when you consider that their quinella place (our any 2 or duet) is
the most popular form of betting there but has not proved very popular here.

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« 2013-Aug-26, 08:23 AM Reply #24 »
No one has mentioned the TAB Takeout but I would guess it's of the 20-25% variety.These guys will try any screwy gimmick just so long as they can get their oversized % -Pathetic!


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