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« 2021-Jul-08, 05:44 PM Reply #1575 »
Wayne Hawkes: 'Speed maps are a crock of sh*t'


Trainer Wayne Hawkes is not often backward in coming forward and on Tuesday it was speed maps that were in his sights during his weekly 'Wayne's World' segment on RSN with Gareth Hall.

Hawkes was asked about his opinion on restrictions being placed on jockey agents, with NSW already banning them from betting in races featuring a rider they manage - a rule Victoria is considering implementing.

The conversation then shifted to the use of speed maps and it's fair to say Hawkes doesn't think they should carry too much weight when it comes to how a jockey rides in a race.

"If everyone threw the speed maps out the window, we'd all be better off because speed maps are a crock of sh*t. That's what they are," Hawkes said.

"They truly are. Ride the horse. I know there would be agents now listening and jockeys listening, but you know what, you do your heads in too much over this sort of stuff."

"Ride your horse for where your horse needs to be and you'd be so much better off I reckon."

"If you ride every horse how it feels in the run and everything like that, you have just a little bit of an overview of what's it all about."

Hawkes said the use of speed maps, including by jockey agents and stewards, was overcomplicating racing.

"The biggest problem jockey's face is a trainer can have a speed map, an owner can have a speed map, the jockey's manager gives them a speed map and then the stewards' just come in - and Victoria to be fair are very good, NSW are a bit painful with this - they want to chime in three-deep and give their speed map of what they think."

"(There's) too many speed maps and you know what, we are overcomplicating it all."

Racing Australia earlier this year introduced a rule limiting who can provide jockeys with tactical riding instructions.

Under AR120, riders are no longer be able to receive, directly or indirectly, instructions about the running or riding of their mount from anyone other than the trainer (or authorised agent) or an owner of the horse.

Previously, some jockeys had engaged the services of form analysts to receive speed maps.



https://www.punters.com.au/news/hawkes-speed-maps-are-a-crock-of-sh%2At_199589/


A lot of people don't like Wayne but I reckon he is one of the real characters of racing.

Doesn't mind saying what he thinks.

Much more interesting than the sterile woke stuff that seems to be predominate in modern society.

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« 2021-Jul-08, 09:49 PM Reply #1576 »
He’s spot on. I’ve seen too many instances of jocks supposedly following “the right horse” only to be left looking like a goose

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« 2021-Jul-09, 08:41 AM Reply #1577 »
I agree with Wayne Hawkes.
It played out in the Winter Final last Sat.
The jock on the "put in, take out" fav. Dice Roll was clearly waiting for the pace horse Odeon to kick up on his inside.
Someone should have told him and all the "smart" punters that Simon Zahra in an interview earlier in the day said "we are going to try different tactics on Odeon :o

This thread was before I joined the forum
Sad reminder about the racing industry to see the horse War Ends featuring on the opening pages.
War Ends is the horse getting his head kicked because it was laying outside the "kill box" at Merramist.

A decent sort of a horse who surely deserved a lot better to be sent to that shit-hole.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/racing-horses-slaughtered-jockey-horror-former-horse-war-ends-233917059.html
« Last Edit: 2021-Jul-09, 12:08 PM by nemisis »

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« 2021-Jul-20, 04:34 PM Reply #1578 »
Very nice plonk on one today at Moree. Video still the best form guide :excited:

Staremm in the last pulled off a lovely plunge for connections and others $26 into $7.50

Check out its last run. Blue with the yellow cap

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2021Jul07&VenueCode=Njg3NDIw&RaceNumber=5&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=FullReplay

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« 2021-Jul-20, 05:32 PM Reply #1579 »
Good picking Wily you must have a lucky pin to stab this never a chance at Grafton not a bob for it $151  last time and ran accordingly very lack lustre  ride imo never extended  ....... today a different horse and jockey also down a grade and Moree is well below Grafton .. follow the money ...you would think stewards would ask connections what inspired the betting move and the substantial improvement today compared to its last run.....you know anyfing you want to tell us.   :biggrin:

Giddy Up :beer:


 

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« 2021-Jul-20, 05:43 PM Reply #1580 »
Watch the video of the last run on that link arsey. She hooked it   :lol:  

My comment in my black book was. “Woeful form but........”


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« 2021-Jul-21, 09:54 AM Reply #1581 »
Watch the video of the last run on that link arsey. She hooked it    :lol:  

My comment in my black book was. “Woeful form but........”
Well done Wily the stewards report not yet up but on its last run they did notice it    ...raced in restricted room ..no mention of the ride which I agrre with you it was dead .....stewards wouldn't think to query it @$151
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« 2021-Jul-21, 04:34 PM Reply #1582 »
Yes mate. It’s one thing to race “In restricted rom” but it’s another to put yourself in restricted room and not try and get out of it when it is vey easy to do so 😆😆

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« 2021-Jul-21, 04:36 PM Reply #1583 »
It’s one thing to race “In restricted rom” but it’s another to put yourself in restricted room and not try and get out of it when it is vey easy to do so 😆😆


Just on that, from yesterday’s race the beaten favourite fits right into that category and goes into my black book 🤫

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« 2021-Aug-09, 06:19 PM Reply #1584 »

Just on that, from yesterday’s race the beaten favourite fits right into that category and goes into my black book 🤫


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« 2021-Aug-20, 11:44 PM Reply #1585 »
Lost And Running has a 7:6-1-0 record and if his trial was anything to go by I'd think he would be hard to beat first up.

Slipper winner Stay Inside ran 2nd last in the trial. Probably in the worst part of the track but even so thought he was entitled to do a bit more.

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2021Aug20&VenueCode=MTU4Njg4MA==&RaceNumber=2&MeetingCategory=Trial&VideoFileType=Last400m


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« 2021-Aug-20, 11:47 PM Reply #1586 »
In the main trial Converged absolutely toweled them. The JJ Atkins winner might have come back a better horse. We might get a clash between two JJ Atkins winners when Rothfire comes to town.

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2021Aug20&VenueCode=MTU4Njg4MA==&RaceNumber=1&MeetingCategory=Trial&VideoFileType=Last400m


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« 2021-Sep-07, 09:39 PM Reply #1587 »
Unraced Djawadi stepped out in a trial today at Warwick Farm and looks like a debut winner to me.

Knew exactly what he is supposed to do

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2021Sep07&VenueCode=NzM1MDAw&RaceNumber=8&MeetingCategory=Trial&VideoFileType=Last400m

By Snitzel out of Nocturnelle. Dam won The Tibbie and The Angst and Djwadi is a full brother to Dracarys who won the Up And Coming back in 2017 in a short 7 start career.

Dracarys stands at Arrowfield and served 88 mares last year. Should be some good Game Of Thrones inspired offspring names.

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« 2021-Sep-08, 09:35 AM Reply #1588 »
Thanks PP, certainly impressive

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« 2021-Sep-08, 10:36 AM Reply #1589 »
Thanks PP, certainly impressive

Mate when the jockey gave him a bit of reign at the 200 he demonstrated that explosiveness you get with really good horses. The opposite argument is that it was only a trial but visually it was pretty impressive.

In fact I thought the jockey got a bit of a shock.

Some interesting runners at the trials.

The first trial winner Fourhometwo is an import trained by Annabel Neasham who is nommed for the Epsom and The Golden Eagle. Listed winner in Ireland. Pushed out in the trial. Sire Ajaya is standing at Chatswood in Victoria I think.

The other one I noted down was the Chris Waller unraced 3yo filly Arranmore (2nd in the 12th trial). She is an Astern half to NZ Group 1 winner Warhorse and from the rear position she just ambled up to the trial winner who was flat out. Tell me what you think. Can I make a buck out of her   :biggrin:

https://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2021Sep07&VenueCode=ODQzMzYw&RaceNumber=12&MeetingCategory=Trial&VideoFileType=Last400m


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