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Offline j.r.b.

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O.P. « 2018-Jun-25, 09:22 AM »
Although a year apart, their careers from yearling sale to stud, via stellar racetrack careers, have a number of parallels, which will make their progress interesting to follow.

Both retire this coming season at $55,000.

Both had/have very good race records - RR 7/11 including a Galaxy and an Oakleigh Plate under topweight and MN 7/10 including a Coolmore and a Diamond Jubilee.

Both are booked full, RR before he retired and MN before he won on Saturday.

RR's by Snitzel and MN is by Fastnet Rock, two of the more successful stallions to have stood in Australia in recent times.

Both have strong female pages.

RR cost $320,000 as a yearling, MN $350,000, so they were both good types, but were far from the pick of their daddies' crops.

RR stands at Newgate and MN at Coolmore - two of the savviest promoters in the business.   

Which will the market prefer?

We saw at this season's yearling, weanling and broodmare sales the definitive preference for Deep Field's stock over that of his G1 winning full brother, Shooting to Win, and that was before either had had horses to the track.

Will the market be as judgmental with this pair, which share so many, at least commercial, similarities?




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« 2018-Jun-25, 09:31 AM Reply #1 »
j.r.b

Come on have a go.

Read that teaser which ended without a conclusion.

Which do you reckon will be the better fancied by the market?

And which do you reckon will have the most success at the track?

 

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« 2018-Jun-25, 11:23 AM Reply #2 »
Good to see the influence of Snippets in both sires.

I'd be totally guessing having a stab at which one will succeed more  :shy: ...

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2018-Jun-25, 05:25 PM Reply #3 »
Maybe author could post their respective pedigree charts

Offline Authorized

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« 2018-Jun-26, 12:30 PM Reply #4 »
There is no need to encourage me   :lol:

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« 2018-Jun-26, 12:32 PM Reply #5 »
RUSSIAN REVOLUTION (AUS)Bay colt 2013 
Snitzel
Bay 2002
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass
1970
1975
7-a
14>
Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Show Lady
1967
1976
8-f
8-f
Snippets' Lass
Bay 1993
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Snow Finch
Bay 1984
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
A Realgirl
Bay 1976
In Reality
Secret Verdict
1964
1966
21-a
2-c
Ballet d'Amour
Bay 2005
Stravinsky
Bay 1996
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Fire the Groom
Bay or brown 1987
Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974
Red God
Runaway Bride
1954
1962
8-c
22-d
Prospector's Fire
Brown 1976
Mr Prospector
Native Street
1970
1963
13-c
3-d
Exigent
1992
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Hopespringseternal
Chestnut 1971
Buckpasser
Rose Bower
1963
1958
1-s
16-g
L'Extravagante
Bay 1973
Le Fabuleux
Chestnut 1961
Wild Risk
Anguar
1940
1950
3-f
13-c
Fanfreluche
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Ciboulette
1961
1961
2-d
4-g
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m,5m x 4m,5f Mr Prospectorx 5f,4m

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« 2018-Jun-26, 12:33 PM Reply #6 »
MERCHANT NAVY (AUS)Bay colt 2014 
Fastnet Rock
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Piccadilly Circus
Bay 1995
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969
Crimson Satan
Bolero Rose
1959
1958
26>
8-c
Gatana
Bay 1989
Marauding
Bay 1984
Sir Tristram
Biscalowe
1971
1979
6-e
4-i
Twigalae
Bay 1979
Twig Moss
Hondalae
1973
1968
1-k
2-f
Legally Bay
Chestnut 2000
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Bay 1962
Tom Fool
Double Deal
1949
1946
3-j
1-g
Great Occasion
Chestnut 1965
Hornbeam
Golden Wedding
1953
1959
1-p
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Bay 1968
Northern Dancer
Lachine
1961
1960
2-d
19-b
Scampering
Bay 1970
Misty Day
Scamper Away
1958
1966
5-f
20-a
Decidity
Bay 1993
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Bay 1975
Northern Dancer
Sex Appeal
1961
1970
2-d
8-f
Mill Princess
Bay 1977
Mill Reef
Irish Lass
1968
1962
22-d
8-c
Class
Chestnut 1987
Twig Moss
Bay 1973
Luthier
Top Twig
1965
1967
14-c
1-k
Pirouette
Brown 1972
Planet Kingdom
Gypsy Moss
1967
1966
2-r
1-n
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m,5m x 5m,5m Natalma5m,5f x Twig Moss5f x 4f

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« 2018-Jun-26, 12:36 PM Reply #7 »
Russian Revolution in my not so humble opinion has the far superior pedigree.


Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2018-Jun-27, 10:14 PM Reply #8 »
Coolmore’s Royal Ascot game pays off with Merchant Navy

Coolmore Stud pulled off a massive multimillion-dollar gamble when Merchant Navy, by the NSW Hunter Valley’s champion sire Fastnet Rock, won the Group I Diamond Jubilee Stakes, the sprinters’ crown event of the five-day Royal Ascot meeting in ­England.

There were dramas galore before and at the start of the race and much hustle and bustle towards the finish but Merchant Navy, the youngest runner in an international field of 12, came through with high distinction for his glorious triumph, albeit a narrow one.

In what is his probable swan song to a brief racing career, ­Merchant Navy became the fourth Australian-bred winner of Europe’s richest sprint, snaring the £600,000 ($1.069m) showpiece by a nose, the closest margin to a dead-heat.

Under champion rider Ryan Moore, Merchant Navy had a paper thin advantage on the line over City Light, a French-bred son of hot sire Siyouni, with the US visitor Bound For Nowhere (by The Factor) three-quarters of a length away third.

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One of two-time champion sire Fastnet Rock’s 35 Group I winners, Merchant Navy is now set to join Choisir, Starspangledbanner and others at Coolmore Australia with a first-season fee set at $55,000 — expensive for a first-season sire with just one Group I win on his record — and with his book of mares reportedly full. Broodmare owners booked in should now look at their investment as a bargain.

As an on-paper exercise, on the basis of 100 mares to be serviced — and the number may be greater — Coolmore has a return of $5.5m. And with England’s premier sprint on his record, Merchant Navy has validated himself to shuttle with Fastnet Rock to Coolmore’s Irish headquarters for the northern breeding season, which starts in February. Trainer O’Brien may try to persuade the Coolmore partners — John Magnier, Derrick Smith and Michael Tabor — to delay Merchant Navy’s return home to allow him to run in the Group I July Cup (1200m) at Newmarket, England, on July 14.

That is the day Merchant Navy is due to fly out after a quarantine period, a process that will be repeated in Australia before he takes up his new career from September 1.

O’Brien, who has also enjoyed Group I Royal Ascot success with the now Coolmore-based So You Think, paid Merchant Navy a high compliment for what was the colt’s second race for the Irish wizard who produced him last month in a Group II sprint and won, beating last year’s Golden Jubilee Stakes runner-up Tasleet.

“We thought it was an impossible task for Merchant Navy … he is only a three-year-old (to Australian time) but being treated (under the set weight-for-age conditions) like a four-year-old,” O’Brien said.

“He’s a lovely, big horse — ­relaxed and genuine and has a good mind and is a joy to do anything with. He’s booked to go back to Australia after this, so I don’t know what is going to happen … but wouldn’t it be great to have him for the July Cup, too.”

Merchant Navy is one of 10 O’Brien-trained entries among 50 nominations for the July Cup in which he would be required to carry a four-year-old’s weight of 60kg. He will be officially four to Australian time on August 1, but does not turn four by actual birthdate until November 14.

Merchant Navy was born in the 2014 spring at the Segenhoe Stud, Scone, NSW, managed by Peter O’Brien who was formerly a key man with Coolmore where his highlight there was attending the birth of wonder mare Winx.

So impressed was O’Brien with Merchant Navy as a foal that he sought a partnership in the colt after he fetched $350,000 as a Sydney Easter yearling and was with fellow owners at Royal Ascot on Saturday for what he described as “the best five minutes of my life”.

Merchant Navy was prepared for sale by Segenhoe Stud for Queensland clients Jane and Chris Barhan who also retained an interest in the colt after the auction.

The Barhans bought Merchant Navy’s mother Legally Bay for $220,000 at the 2002 Sydney Easter and raced her on to win $628,050 in prizemoney with the Group III Sweet Embrace Stakes and two Group I placings her highlight efforts. Bred by Queensland’s Highgrove Stud, Legally Bay is by the broodmare influence Snippets from a daughter of Last Tycoon, one of the first stallions Coolmore shuttled to Australia.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/turf-thoroughbreds/coolmores-royal-ascot-game-pays-off-with-merchant-navy/


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« 2018-Jun-29, 10:12 PM Reply #9 »
Now retired.


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Dual G1 winning #RoyalAscot hero Merchant Navy (Fastnet Rock) has been retired and arrived @coolmorestud this morning where he will enter quarantine before travelling to @CoolmoreAus where the world-class sprinter will cover an outstanding first book of mares #CoolmoreSires

Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2018-Jul-13, 04:18 AM Reply #10 »
Is the July Cup on this weekend? Thought I read somewhere that Redkirk Warrior was running in it.

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2018-Jul-13, 07:54 AM Reply #11 »
Saturday their time champ

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« 2018-Jul-13, 08:08 AM Reply #12 »
Saturday their time champ

Thanks mate. Will look at the form tomorrow for the race.

Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2018-Jul-14, 10:53 AM Reply #13 »
Fanfreluche and Snitzel in RRs pedigree tip me his way as far as future success.


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