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O.P. « 2010-Sep-01, 07:23 PM »
NORTH USED AS 'DUMPING GROUND' FOR UNSOUND HORSES


THE dumping of unsound southern horses to owners in the north has long been the practice of some of the more unscrupulous bloodstock movers and includes even those bought with veterinary approval.

Owners are literally robbed – there is no other word – and have absolutely no lawful protection. They pay up, and many, not surprisingly, don’t venture back into the industry. Once bitten, twice shy – and you can’t blame them.

But recently a horse, bought out of a prominent Melbourne stable and inspected by a highly prominent Melbourne vet, arrived in Cairns with the incurable and often fatal navicular disease in one hoof.

Apparently, everyone in Melbourne knew about it, according to the new owner, who is continuing to make inquiries with a view to taking legal action, or at least notifying Victorian racing authorities.

It is getting to the bottom of the barrel when vets, paid to inspect a horse, give the nod of soundness to one with such a conspicuous and easily identifiable infliction as navicular.

Believe me, this latest incident is not isolated. It happens all too frequently, and often involves horses from leading stables. I know one guy from the Gold Coast who sold a horse with the very same disease. When the Townsville trainer rang him about the obvious unsoundness, the guy said, “Don’t worry, it’s white foot syndrome”.

The horse, a $10,000 purchase, was put down and the trainer has vowed to continue to tell everyone he can about the case. In fact, he just did!

Then there was the case of a horse bought a few years ago on the recommendation of his trainer, a leading Caulfield identity. The price was $40,000 and the horse was later certified by a vet as a complete cripple which never raced for his new owner.

When contacted, the trainer’s words we “You bought him – he’s yours”. Fact!


From Letsgohorseracing an extract from Terry Butts' column in the NQ press.

Many years ago I bought an unsound pacer at auction on impulse without having inspected it beforehand.A pretty stupid thing to do as it turned out. :chair:

I only went to the sale out of curiosity and had no plan to bid or buy anything.

But I liked the look of this bloke, he was a really fine type by Raider Frost and the auctioneer made a point repeatedly that it came with a vet certificate of soundness. :whistle:

When I checked him out back in the stalls he had a wind gall as big as a cricket ball and was very highly strung which suggested he had been treated by the seller to show him at his best. :o

The vet who issued the certtificate must have known the horse was unsound, highly unprofessional but I didn't complain just wrote off my loss as I was a mug to do what I did. :shutup:

Anyway he wouldn't stand a preparation and we gave him to a lady to use as a carriage horse.

The only thing I got was a second hand rug and a head stall which the trainer finished with. :shy:

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« 2010-Sep-01, 08:24 PM Reply #1 »
a lot of vets are wary with certificates now because it's really a legal document and they can get their arses sued off.

If you buy them at the used car monthly sales at the gold coast what you see is what you get and your problem.
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« 2010-Sep-08, 07:32 PM Reply #2 »
Following  comments from www.letsgohorseracing.com.au report by Terry Butts


BIG RESPONSE TO ‘POOR VET CHECKS’ ON SOUTHERN CAST-OFFS


THERE has been a big response to our disclosure last week about a horse, which, after passing a vet check in Melbourne, arrived in Cairns with the incurable navicular disease. And he sure didn’t get it on the float trip up.

The Cairns-based owner of the horse intends to take up the matter with the Integrity Services Department of Racing Victoria.

But another disgruntled Mount Isa-based owner, Graham Saunders, says not to bother – because they don’t care.

Graham agreed to buy a maiden a few months back, but insisted on a vet check. The owner said, “Don’t bother”, but Graham insisted. The horse, valued then at $22,000, failed the examination, so went to auction. It sold for $17,000, with the owner fully aware of its problems. It last raced at Flinton – and finished unplaced.

Then there was the case of the bloke who paid big money for a horse, only to find out on arrival that it was a ‘roarer’. So he rang the trainer, who agreed the horse had an affliction and simply hung up.

Graham went to Fair Trading and was quickly directed to the racing authorities. “They couldn’t have cared less,” he said.

Point is, vets get paid to inspect horses. They should also be made accountable.

 

COLUMN COURTESY OF TERRY BUTTS AND THE NORTH QUEENSLAND REGISTER

TERRY BUTTS can be contacted by e-mailing: butts@beyond.net.au

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« 2010-Sep-08, 08:19 PM Reply #3 »
the way out is to sue the vet because he is a professional and recommended the horse and i'll bet after a few of them get sued they wont be passing on unsound horses.

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« 2010-Sep-08, 10:24 PM Reply #4 »
the way out is to sue the vet because he is a professional and recommended the horse and i'll bet after a few of them get sued they wont be passing on unsound horses.

More than likely  the buyers don't have the funds or the stomach  for litigation after being burnt.

There are plenty of hungry lawyers about, pick one  to take it on a no win no pay basis that's the  best way to go.  emthup

Anyone caught by those mentioned in the North should name  those involved. >:(

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« 2010-Sep-17, 04:08 PM Reply #5 »
I don't know how many horses have been knocked back by a vet and have had no problems whatsever during their career, I know I have had Clients wanting to purchase a horse who I know won't pass a vet but the problems can be managed and won't present a problem, so it does work both ways!! if you start sueing Vets then it is a waste of time and even money having a vet check cos they won't pass anything!! that way they can't get sued, not many that are absolutely perfect.

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« 2010-Sep-17, 07:15 PM Reply #6 »
gee thats a good idea just sell all the crocks and don't worry about a vet check so no one takes responsabilty for for the soundness of the horses, buyer beware. Nobody cares about small problems most are manageable  but i won't buy a horse without a vet check and a scope which imo is one of the most important things.

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« 2010-Sep-20, 02:54 AM Reply #7 »
Christ Richo you read things into a comment that are not there don't you?? I never anywhere said that it was a good idea not to have a vet check did I?????????????????????????
What about we start suing trainers when they go out and buy a horse for an Owner and it breaks down?? Let's put the onus on trainers to get every thing right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I am saying is it is a difficult thing to prove, if we start to issue writs against Vets every time they get it wrong then it is a waste of time having Vet checks my point was not that you should buy the horse without a Vet Check, any Drongo should know that the point was don't bother even considering buying the horse!! maybe you just aren't as smart as any drongo??

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« 2010-Sep-20, 11:42 AM Reply #8 »
You would think the Vet would have to take the responsibility of passing a horse that obviously shouldn't be passed. Don't they have a small claims court that would deal with these matters?
I'm not saying the vet should lose his license or anything, just be held accountable for bad practice.

A lot of participants of the horseracing industry seem to be living in a bygone era. 
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« 2010-Sep-20, 01:34 PM Reply #9 »
no but i'm as smart as you jp , you admitted to selling horses with problems so what does that make you? For a clown that knows everything sometimes you know  :censored: all.

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« 2010-Sep-26, 11:21 PM Reply #10 »
Richo where did I say I sold horses with problems?? I have bought many despite a vet advising against it and the vet has always been wrong!! It depends on the fault the vet finds as to whether I think it's worth the risk, Takeover Target at no stage of his career would ever pass vet!! if I was paying $1m I wouldn't take the risk, it all depends on what the fault is, can it be managed and how much is the sale price?
Christ you say you are a horse trainer and you don't even know the basics??

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« 2010-Sep-27, 10:05 AM Reply #11 »
don't know why you don't take out a licence jim and instead of telling us how it's done you could show us.


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