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Offline j.r.b.

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O.P. « 2019-Jun-24, 04:46 PM »
Seems a safe choice.

Anyone have any other thoughts?

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« 2019-Jun-25, 01:29 PM Reply #1 »
BORING!

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« 2019-Jun-25, 01:32 PM Reply #2 »
Unnamed  
I Am Invincible (AUS)
Bay 2004
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Cannarelle
Bay 1998
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Countess Pedrille
Bay 1994
Zoffany
Bay 1980
Our Native
Grey Dawn Girl
1970
1970
20-a
1-n
Sister Pedrille
Chestnut 1980
Cardinal
Royal Law
1969
1975
2-s
1-n
Winx (AUS)
Bay 2011
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982
Halo
Raise the Standard
1969
1978
2-d
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Bay 1976
Petingo
La Milo
1965
1963
22>
1-b
Waterway
Chestnut 1976
Riverman
Boulevard
1969
1968
10-a
1-l
Vegas Showgirl
Bay 2002
Al Akbar
Bay 1990
Success Express
Bay 1985
Hold Your Peace
Au Printemps
1969
1979
12-b
17-b
Gala Night
Bay 1984
Blakeney
Debutante
1966
1974
20-c
1-g
Vegas Magic
Bay 1985
Voodoo Rhythm
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Obeah
1961
1965
2-d
2-f
Vegas Street
Grey 1976
Sovereign Edition
Vegas
1962
1969
13-a
5-b
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m

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Unnamed
  
I Am Invincible (AUS)
Bay 2004
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco1935 4-r
Lady Angela1944 14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer1950 5-f
Almahmoud1947 2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Bay or brown 1959
Crafty Admiral1948 8-c
Olympia Lou1952 4-n
Petitioner
Bay 1952
Petition1944 16-g
Steady Aim1943 7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Bay 1959
Turn-To1951 1-w
Somethingroyal1952 2-s
Attica
Chestnut 1953
Mr Trouble1947 13-b
Athenia1943 8-g
Courtly Dee
Bay or brown 1968
Never Bend
Bay 1960
Nasrullah1940 9-c
Lalun1952 19-b
Tulle
Bay or brown 1950
War Admiral1934 11-g
Judy-Rae1944 A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969
Atan
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer1950 5-f
Mixed Marriage1952 2-f
Rocchetta
Chestnut 1961
Rockefella1941 7-a
Chambiges1949 5-i
Doubly Sure
Bay 1971
Reliance
Bay 1962
Tantieme1947 20-a
Relance1952 16-g
Soft Angels
Chestnut 1963
Crepello1954 16-d
Sweet Angel1955 2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Bay 1974
Round Table
Bay 1954
Princequillo1940 1-b
Knight's Daughter1941 2-f
Stylish Pattern
Bay 1961
My Babu1945 1-w
Sunset Gun1955 14-c
Border Bounty
Bay 1965
Bounteous
Bay 1958
Rockefella1941 7-a
Marie Elizabeth1948 14-f
B Flat
Bay 1958
Chanteur1942 12>
Ardeen1949 7-a
Cannarelle
Bay 1998
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Chestnut 1965
Star Kingdom
Chestnut 1946
Stardust1937 16>
Impromptu1939 1-g
Magic Symbol
Chestnut 1956
Makarpura1946 22-c
Magic Wonder1949 2-o
Coogee
Bay 1959
Relic
Black 1945
War Relic1938 1-o
Bridal Colors1931 8-f
Last Judgement
Bay 1948
Fair Trial1932 9-c
Faustina1940 7-a
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Bay 1962
Tom Fool1949 3-j
Double Deal1946 1-g
Great Occasion
Chestnut 1965
Hornbeam1953 1-p
Golden Wedding1959 7-f
Beautiful Dreamer
Grey 1967
Coeur Volant
Grey 1957
Palestine1947 3-e
Diableretta1947 9-c
Adina Rose
Bay 1960
Jambo1944 9-c
Chevaline1948 14>
Countess Pedrille
Bay 1994
Zoffany
Bay 1980
Our Native
Bay 1970
Exclusive Native
Chestnut 1965
Raise a Native1961 8-f
Exclusive1953 10-a
Our Jackie
Grey 1964
Crafty Admiral1948 8-c
Rakahanga1957 20-a
Grey Dawn Girl
Grey 1970
Grey Dawn
Grey 1962
Herbager1956 16-c
Polamia1955 16-c
Hoi Polloi
Bay 1956
Princequillo1940 1-b
Mondaine1945 1-n
Sister Pedrille
Chestnut 1980
Cardinal
Chestnut 1969
High Hat
Chestnut 1957
Hyperion1930 6-e
Madonna1945 2-o
Book of Kells
Bay 1965
Milesian1953 22-a
Golden Record1956 2-s
Royal Law
Chestnut 1975
Royal Artist
Brown 1956
Star Kingdom1946 1-g
Canvas Back1945 16>
Miss Lume
Chestnut 1963
Robber Prince1956 14-b
Lawlume1949 1-n
Winx (AUS)
Bay 2011
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Grey 1950
Polynesian1942 14-a
Geisha1943 5-f
Raise You
Chestnut 1946
Case Ace1934 1-k
Lady Glory1934 8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962
Nashua
Bay 1952
Nasrullah1940 9-c
Segula1942 3-m
Sequence
Bay or brown 1946
Count Fleet1940 6-a
Miss Dogwood1939 13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To1951 1-w
Nothirdchance1948 4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953
Cosmic Bomb1944 14-f
Almahmoud1947 2-d
Raise the Standard
Bay 1978
Hoist the Flag
Bay 1968
Tom Rolfe1962 9-h
Wavy Navy1954 5-i
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer1950 5-f
Almahmoud1947 2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Bay 1976
Petingo
Bay 1965
Petition
Bay or brown 1944
Fair Trial1932 9-c
Art Paper1933 16-g
Alcazar
Chestnut 1957
Alycidon1945 1-w
Quarterdeck1947 22>
La Milo
Chestnut 1963
Hornbeam
Chestnut 1953
Hyperion1930 6-e
Thicket1947 1-p
Pin Prick
Bay 1955
Pinza1950 3-i
Miss Winston1949 1-b
Waterway
Chestnut 1976
Riverman
Bay 1969
Never Bend
Bay 1960
Nasrullah1940 9-c
Lalun1952 19-b
River Lady
Bay 1963
Prince John1953 14-f
Nile Lily1954 10-a
Boulevard
Chestnut 1968
Pall Mall
Chestnut 1955
Palestine1947 3-e
Malapert1946 7-d
Costa Sola
Chestnut 1963
Worden1949 13-c
Sunny Cove1957 1-l
Vegas Showgirl
Bay 2002
Al Akbar
Bay 1990
Success Express
Bay 1985
Hold Your Peace
Bay 1969
Speak John
Bay 1958
Prince John1953 14-f
Nuit de Folies1947 1-l
Blue Moon
Bay 1948
Eight Thirty1936 11-g
Blue Grail1943 12-b
Au Printemps
Bay 1979
Dancing Champ
Bay 1972
Nijinsky1967 8-f
Mrs Peterkin1965 4-r
Lorgnette
Chestnut 1964
High Hat1957 2-o
Mlle Lorette1950 17-b
Gala Night
Bay 1984
Blakeney
Bay 1966
Hethersett
Bay 1959
Hugh Lupus1952 19>
Bride Elect1952 21-a
Windmill Girl
Bay 1961
Hornbeam1953 1-p
Chorus Beauty1952 20-c
Debutante
Chestnut 1974
Silly Season
Bay 1962
Tom Fool1949 3-j
Double Deal1946 1-g
Grove Hall
Chestnut 1959
Hook Money1951 1-s
Ski Club1950 1-g
Vegas Magic
Bay 1985
Voodoo Rhythm
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco1935 4-r
Lady Angela1944 14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer1950 5-f
Almahmoud1947 2-d
Obeah
Bay 1965
Cyane
Bay 1959
Turn-To1951 1-w
Your Game1948 16-b
Book of Verse
Bay 1956
One Count1949 25>
Persian Maid1947 2-f
Vegas Street
Grey 1976
Sovereign Edition
Grey 1962
Sovereign Path
Grey 1956
Grey Sovereign1948 6-f
Mountain Path1948 4-l
Latest Edition
Bay 1951
Solferino1940 19-b
Celestial Light1940 13-a
Vegas
Brown 1969
Stunning
Chestnut 1955
Stardust1937 16>
Running Wild1943 1-w
Gay Abandon
Bay 1945
Theio1932 31>
Silver Beam1930 5-b

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« 2019-Jun-25, 01:35 PM Reply #4 »
10 Generation -


Offline ianb

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« 2019-Jun-25, 02:04 PM Reply #5 »
It has been a long standing practice not to send novice mares to novice stallions so I'm thinking that ruled out The Autumn Sun. Zoustar could just be a 1 season wonder so I would think that they would think he isn't worth the risk.

Now of the leading 15 sires, on the current list, 4 are dead (including Street Cry) and 2 don't appear to be shuttling this season. I suspect that So You Think was ruled out because his progeny don't develop until late in their 3 year old season. Written Tycoon seems to get pure sprinters so I suspect that is what ruled him out. Smart Missile, whist he gets plenty of winners, doesn't get enough Group class horses so the line goes through him

Snitzel has 4 lines of Northern Dancer and with the dam of Winx having a cross of Northern Dancer they probably think that could be too many. Not A Single Doubt has 3 lines so maybe that ruled him out also. Lonhro doesn't have any but is a few years older than I Am Invincible.

Pierro horses seem to need time so that probably left Fastnet Rock and I Am Invincible - so why not go for the  horse who is doing better this season.


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« 2019-Jun-25, 02:12 PM Reply #6 »
Pierro and So You Thinks best horses are all pre christmas of their 3yo season, They hardly need time.

Online JWesleyHarding

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« 2019-Jun-25, 02:19 PM Reply #7 »
I reckon the name sealed the choice. :)

Offline ianb

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« 2019-Jun-25, 03:21 PM Reply #8 »
So you Think has had 4 Group1 winners in Australia and all 4 have been  Autumn 3 year  old winners.

So I Do Think they need time.

I will concede his NZ Group1 winner was a little earlier.

Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2019-Jun-29, 09:01 AM Reply #9 »
Crikey, if breeders were worried about too much Northern Dancer we would not have had heaps of champs.
Cannot agree that a couple of percentage points of Northern Dancer blood would have impacted anything.
She will go to Snitzel next year.  :lol:
Autho, instead of telling us all how boring or wrong our , and connections, tentative selections are...how about your choice and reasoning...just a thought...  emthup

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Jun-29, 08:55 PM Reply #10 »

I would lay everything that has Winx as the mother.

Offline fours

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« 2019-Jun-30, 12:11 AM Reply #11 »
Finally!

Something we can imprison Mair for! :banned:

Fours

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Jun-30, 02:44 PM Reply #12 »
I would lay everything that has Winx as the mother.

Given your attitude to absolutely everything it comes as no surprise

Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2019-Jul-07, 12:46 PM Reply #13 »
Still awaiting on Autho's selection...


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