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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-12, 11:48 AM
I decided to start a new competition for Spring but with more of a difference as I love futures but I always lose.      :lol:     This will complement Brian’s brilliant spring competition too.

The rules are simple. There will be 12 spring races nominated and the winner will get to share (50%) of a $60 first 4 bet on the NSW Tab for the Melbourne Cup. The winner will decide on the number of selections or standouts etc for the MC first 4 with no input from me other than share the winnings hopefully.

The points system is as follows.

5 points for the winner.
3 points for running 2nd
2 points for running 3rd
1 point if your selected runner makes the final field but does not finish in the placings or win the race.

The selected races are listed below with race dates in brackets.

1) Golden Rose (25th of September)
2) Turnbull Stakes (2nd of October)
3) Epsom Handicap (2nd of October)
4) Metropolitan (2nd of October)
5) Caulfield Guineas (9th of October)
6) Caulfield Cup (16th of October)
7) Everest (16th of October)
8 Cox Plate (23rd of October)
9) Coolmore Stud (30th of October)
10) Empire Rose (30th of October)
11) VRC Derby (30th of October)
12) Golden Eagle (30th of October)

The points system is as follows

5 points for the winner
3 points for running 2nd
2 points for running 3rd
1 point if your runner makes the final field and does not finish in the top 3.

All selections must be entered by the 24th of September for ALL RACES.
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Sep-12, 12:10 PM
Sounds good mate. I’m in.
I remember enigma part of a private star stable company many moons back where to had to pick horses by categories etc. stayers or 3yo colts etc
It was fun and had a wonder prizepool
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Brian Mc on 2021-Sep-12, 04:11 PM
Good one. :clap2:
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: fours on 2021-Sep-12, 04:53 PM
Jeunes,

I have bad memories of Kim Angel winning the Cup in another country.... rather than the MC after I had taken it months before the MC.....

See you on the 24th.

Fours
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Sep-12, 05:54 PM
1) Golden Rose (25th of October) Jamaea
2) Turnbull Stakes (2nd of October) Zaaki
3) Epsom Handicap (2nd of October) Aramayo
4) Metropolitan (2nd of October) Signora Nera
5) Caulfield Guineas (9th of October)  Prowling
6) Caulfield Cup (16th of October)Incentivise
7) Everest (16th of October) Gytrash
8 Cox Plate (23rd of  :) Zaaki
9) Coolmore Stud (30th of October) Home Affairs
10) Empire Rose (30th of October) Colette
11) VRC Derby (30th of October) ARNAQUEUR
12) Golden Eagle (30th of October) Mounga


Title: Futures Competition
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Sep-12, 05:58 PM
30th October Coolmor stud stakes or classic?
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-12, 06:56 PM
30th October Coolmor stud stakes or classic?

Thanks Wily for picking it up. Coolmore Stud it is and I amended it. 
 
Most will select the favourites for the big races like Everest, CC, Cox Plate, Golden Rose and even the Turnbull. The rest could be quite interesting especially on the last day with the Derby, Coolmore, Empire Rose and Golden Eagle a lottery. Gives everyone a chance to catch up.
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: specialweek2 on 2021-Sep-19, 12:04 PM
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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: fours on 2021-Sep-21, 08:45 AM
Hmmm,

Early mention for the MC.

Colette as long as the track is not good to firm.

Fours
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Sep-21, 11:21 AM
Anyone else going to contribute, time is running out
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-21, 11:26 AM
I am actually thinking of Mystic Journey for the Empire Rose and Paulele for the Coolmore which will be the trickiest races.

Horses like Probeel and Collette are earmarked for other races and can’t see them in the Empire Rose unless they fail in their next run.

The Coolmore is the trickiest race by far as it depends on the Golden Rose and the Everest. I liked Paulele but there are talks that the Blue Army are deciding on Trekking or not.

The Derby is fascinating but there maybe some good Victorian horses as usually they do a lot better than Sydney horses recently but you never know.

Golden Eagle will depend largely on the Epsom but there are some standouts.

I might have a place fold in all my selections in the races as nothing worse than some getting up and missing out on a few $.
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: fours on 2021-Sep-21, 11:34 AM
Wily,

Maybe the Golden Rose is holding things up - hard to find a field for it at the moment. R&S list it.

Fours
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-21, 11:41 AM
These are my tips and I will amend later on Friday if any withdrawals.

1) Golden Rose (25th of October) Anamoe
2) Turnbull Stakes (2nd of October) Very Elegant
3) Epsom Handicap (2nd of October) Hungry Heart
4) Metropolitan (2nd of October) She's Ideel
5) Caulfield Guineas (9th of October)  Artorius
6) Caulfield Cup (16th of October)Incentivise
7) Everest (16th of October) Gytrash
8 Cox Plate (23rd of  October) Zaaki
9) Coolmore Stud (30th of October) Paulele
10) Empire Rose (30th of October) Mystic Journey
11) VRC Derby (30th of October) Tutukaka
12) Golden Eagle (30th of October) Mounga

The combined odds are just over a billion to one.   :lol:
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: specialweek2 on 2021-Sep-21, 11:49 AM
Following is my list.

1.  Captivant
2.  Verry Elleegant
3.  Cascadian
4.  Montefilia
5.  Artorious
6.  Explosive Jack
7.  Eduardo
8.  Probabeel
9.  Stay Inside
10. Tofane
11. Giannis
12. Private Eye
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: fours on 2021-Sep-21, 12:19 PM
1) Anamoe
2) Dalasan
3) Atishu
4) Montefilia
5) Anamoe
6) Incentivise
7) Gytrash
8) Verry Elegant
9) Stay Inside
10)  September Run
11) Giannis
12) Atishu

Fours
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Brian Mc on 2021-Sep-21, 01:02 PM
Tentative list: to be confirmed, or altered, on Friday (rather than Saturday)
List amended: see later
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2021-Sep-21, 01:07 PM
Good luck everyone but my prob with these future comps is that they tend to cloud my judgement  on Raceday..

Given how my “judgement” is panning out lately maybe a bit of clouding could be useful.
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: fours on 2021-Sep-21, 01:13 PM
Brian,

Friday is cut off day so Saturday is too late fr changes.

Fours
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Brian Mc on 2021-Sep-21, 01:24 PM
T%hanks.  Friday will be my D-Day  :)
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Sep-21, 01:53 PM
I am actually thinking of Mystic Journey for the Empire Rose and Paulele for the Coolmore which will be the trickiest races.

Horses like Probeel and Collette are earmarked for other races and can’t see them in the Empire Rose unless they fail in their next run.

The Coolmore is the trickiest race by far as it depends on the Golden Rose and the Everest. I liked Paulele but there are talks that the Blue Army are deciding on Trekking or not.

The Derby is fascinating but there maybe some good Victorian horses as usually they do a lot better than Sydney horses recently but you never know.

Golden Eagle will depend largely on the Epsom but there are some standouts.

I might have a place fold in all my selections in the races as nothing worse than some getting up and missing out on a few $.


I like your thinking re Colette and I must also agree that the return run of Mystic Journey was superb
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Sep-21, 02:08 PM
These are my tips and I will amend later on Friday if any withdrawals.

1) Golden Rose (25th of October) Anamoe
2) Turnbull Stakes (2nd of October) Very Elegant
3) Epsom Handicap (2nd of October) Hungry Heart
4) Metropolitan (2nd of October) She's Ideel
5) Caulfield Guineas (9th of October)  Artorius
6) Caulfield Cup (16th of October)Incentivise
7) Everest (16th of October) Gytrash
8 Cox Plate (23rd of  October) Zaaki
9) Coolmore Stud (30th of October) Paulele
10) Empire Rose (30th of October) Mystic Journey
11) VRC Derby (30th of October) Tutukaka
12) Golden Eagle (30th of October) Mounga

The combined odds are just over a billion to one.  :lol:


Yes, my multis were knocked back, understandably but managed a reduced stake bet  :lol:


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-21, 03:15 PM
Good luck everyone but my prob with these future comps is that they tend to cloud my judgement  on Raceday..

Given how my “judgement” is panning out lately maybe a bit of clouding could be useful.

That’s the problem for me is that for past  few years but reverse. I have selected the winners early for some of them but did not back them on the day due to the barriers or track or odds.

There is nothing worse than seeing a horse a few weeks prior be a 20/1 shot start shorter and you can’t make up your mind to back it or not.


Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Sep-21, 09:15 PM
1) Golden Rose (25th of October) Anamoe
2) Turnbull Stakes (2nd of October) Verry Elleegant
3) Epsom Handicap (2nd of October) Private Eye
4) Metropolitan (2nd of October) She's Ideel
5) Caulfield Guineas (9th of October)  Artorius
6) Caulfield Cup (16th of October)Duais
7) Everest (16th of October) Nature Strip
8 Cox Plate (23rd of  October) Verry Elleegant
9) Coolmore Stud (30th of October) Profiteer
10) Empire Rose (30th of October) Probabeel
11) VRC Derby (30th of October) Footlights
12) Golden Eagle (30th of October) Ellsberg
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: ratsack on 2021-Sep-22, 08:58 PM
1) Golden Rose  Tiger of malay
2) Turnbull Stakes  Hungry heart
3) Epsom Handicap Harmony Rose
4) Metropolitan  Great House
5) Caulfield Guineas  Lightsaber
6) Caulfield Cup King of Leogranze
7) Everest  Rothfire
8 Cox Plate Anamoe
9) Coolmore Stud Remarque
10) Empire Rose Colette
11) VRC Derby Grinzinger king
12) Golden Eagle Hungry heart

Nice comp Jeunes BUT very difficult with lap over of races !
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-22, 09:24 PM
I reckon the winning score could be anywhere between 10-15 pts if some hot pots bite the dust.

Interestingly most selections do not even have the favourites as the top pick. So I am hoping the competition is going to be tight.
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: sobig on 2021-Sep-22, 09:59 PM
Golden Rose  Anamoe
Turnbull Stakes Incentivise
Epsom Handicap Atishu
Metropolitan  She's Ideel
Caulfield Guineas Giannis
Caulfield Cup  Colette
Everest  Nature Strip
Cox Plate  Zaaki
Coolmore  Profiteer
Empire Rose  Tofane
VRC Derby  Gundec
Golden Eagle  Mounga

Title: Futures Competition
Post by: westie on 2021-Sep-23, 09:13 PM
1. Golden Rose  Remarque
2. Turnbull Stakes: Veery Elegant
3. Epsom Handicap: Imaging
4. Metropolitan: She's Ideel
5. Caulfield Guineas: Artorius
6. Caulfield Cup: Duais
7. Everest: Lost and Running
8. Cox Plate: Gold Trip
9. Coolmo Ranch Hand
10. Empire Rose: Probabeel
11. VRC Derby: Cheerful Moment
12. Golden Eagle: I'm Thunderstruck
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Sep-24, 11:33 AM
I reckon the winning score could be anywhere between 10-15 pts if some hot pots bite the dust.

Interestingly most selections do not even have the favourites as the top pick. So I am hoping the competition is going to be tight.

Similar to 'Kitty' in Brian's comp it would be interesting if you took all the fav's come comp closing time and see how it fares?  :chin:
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Brian Mc on 2021-Sep-24, 11:44 AM
1) Golden Rose (25th of September) Anamoe
2) Turnbull Stakes (2nd of October)  Incentivise
3) Epsom Handicap (2nd of October) Mounga
4) Metropolitan (2nd of October) She’s Ideel
5) Caulfield Guineas (9th of October) Anamoe
6) Caulfield Cup (16th of October) Incentivise
7) Everest (16th of October) Rothfire
8) Cox Plate (23rd of October)Veery Elleegant
9) Coolmore Stud (30th of October) General Beau
10) Empire Rose (30th of October) Probabeel
11) VRC Derby (30th of October) Lightsaber
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-27, 11:42 AM
The update from Saturday.

I am having issues with inserting a table but I will play at it.



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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-29, 01:40 PM
The selections for the Turnbull stakes and TAB odds.




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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-29, 01:50 PM
Selections for Epsom and odds


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-29, 01:55 PM
The selections and TAB odds for the Metropolitan


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-29, 02:11 PM
Based on Selections, the Epsom could see a good lead for someone with a total of 7 runners selected and only one double up selection amongst them.

The Metropolitan sees only 3 selections among the group plus a non runner.

The Turnbull sees only 2 selections amongst the group plus 3 non runners.

Apologies for the lack of tables and the posting of images as I still have issues.

Good luck everyone and I will keep posting the selections for the relevant races each week. Please let me know if I stuffed up any selections etc.
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Brian Mc on 2021-Sep-30, 08:49 AM
well done.  I sure all of us appreciate thge colour you are adding to the thread.  :thumbsup:
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Sep-30, 11:21 AM
Thanks Brian. It is a lot of fun especially if then can win.   :lol:
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: specialweek2 on 2021-Oct-04, 12:48 PM
Update Jeunes?
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-04, 12:58 PM
Update Jeunes?

Apologies for the tardiness but it will be up in next few mins.
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-04, 01:00 PM
These are the points for the 3 races and well done to the winners.


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-04, 01:08 PM
There is a 3 way tie for the lead with the Caulfield Guineas on this weekend.

I will post the selections for the Guineas as soon as the field is finalised.

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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-05, 12:52 PM
The selections for the Caulfield Guineas. 4 selections for the races and one non runner.


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-09, 06:29 PM
The points from today.


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-09, 06:33 PM
The leaderboard sees Brian on top with Fours moving up after the Caulfield Guineas. With the Caulfield Cup and the Everest on next weekend, things could change again.


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: fours on 2021-Oct-10, 01:57 AM
Jeunes,

I got the quinella with my two picks in the different comps here....

Fours
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Oct-10, 10:55 AM
Just noticed I tipped Private Eye the previous week  :no1: you reckon I backed it  :shy: sometimes we outsmart ourselves  :dry:

Great work Jeunes
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Oct-10, 01:48 PM
The punts Great isn’t it  :lol:  I did my supercoach racing yesterday. Added 3 winners to my stable but never backed any of them or tipped them in the comp  :lol:
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-14, 11:22 AM
The selections for the Caulfield Cup. 3 selections and 2 non runners amongst the tips.

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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-14, 11:24 AM
The selections for the Everest. 4 selections and 2 non runners selected as tips by the tipsters.


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-16, 06:21 PM
The points for the Caulfield Cup.

 
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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-16, 06:22 PM
The points for the Everest.


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-16, 06:25 PM
Brian and Fours are equal leaders, while Gin and So Big are within a win from the lead. There are 5 races to go. They are the Cox Plate, Coolmore, Golden Eagle, Empire Rose and the VRC Derby.






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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-21, 10:23 AM
The selections for the Cox Plate. There are 5 unique selections and everyone has a runner selected so good work.






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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-24, 12:22 PM
Unlike some of the corps, there are no points for Zaaki and Gold Trip as it is all in.  I suffered too.  :lol:


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-24, 12:29 PM
Brian and Fours are leading the competition with a few points over Gin. The competition can flip on it's head with the last day on Derby Day with 4 races.

Having an early look at the markets, there are many races where the leaders might not have any runners. So people could catch up if they have some winners this weekend.

Good luck everyone.


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-28, 03:40 PM
The competition is nearly at it's end and already there is a chance for a few people to come from the clouds to win.


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: ratsack on 2021-Oct-28, 06:29 PM
I've been plagued with non runners , which i would think is the idea of the comp.
Well done Jeunes good concept     :beer:   
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Brian Mc on 2021-Oct-29, 03:13 PM
I am looking forward to a top day tomorrow, whern I will leave everyone in my dust ;) ;).

Thanks for an interesting competition, Jeunes. :clap2:
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-30, 04:08 PM
The points for the last four legs
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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Oct-30, 04:16 PM
The results are in. Congratulations to Fours for winning the competition.

Fours wins by 1 pt over Brian with a further 1 point to the fast finishing Wily. There was only a few points difference between the first and sixth place finisher so great picking everyone.

Fours, do you want to PM me your first 4 selections by Monday night for the Cup. The quantity and quality of selections is all yours.  :beer:


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Title: Futures Competition
Post by: fours on 2021-Oct-30, 04:42 PM
Jeunes,

Will do so early monday morning

Different sort of comp this one and somewhat frustrating. Various comments on the web before the races misled me as to which races Very Elleegant and Colette would actually contest but that is part of the contest I guess.

Fours
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: wily ole dog on 2021-Oct-30, 08:04 PM
Well done 4s :thumbsup:
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Gintara on 2021-Oct-31, 09:42 AM
Well do Fours and good comp Jeunes   emthup
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: ratsack on 2021-Oct-31, 05:14 PM
Good different comp
Congratulations to all
Title: Futures Competition
Post by: Jeunes on 2021-Nov-01, 08:27 AM
Fours and myself will have the below numbers for first 4 in the cup tomorrow.

1) 2,3
2) 1, 2,3, 12, 21
3) 1, 2,3, 12,16,21,22,23
4) 1,2,3,12,16,21,22,23

It is 25% of the dividend if we win and we will get 12.5% of the NSW Tab dividend.