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O.P. « 2015-Jun-20, 10:12 PM »

The Best Since Brett Lee – But Is Fernando Better?

Superstar Fernando Bale is set to take another step along the path to greatness in Saturday night’s Group 1 Peter Mosman Classic (520m) at Wentworth Park.

Andrea Dailly’s freakishly talented speedster will be chasing his fourth Group 1 victory for the year in the Peter Mosman, having also won the Golden Easter Egg and National Derby in Sydney and the Harrison-Dawson at Sandown Park.

In winning 20 of his 25 starts – the last 12 in succession – Fernando Bale has earned comparisons with the finest sprinters Australian greyhound racing has seen, being widely labelled as the best since the immortal Brett Lee in the early 2000s.

And with due respect to the likes of Bombastic Shiraz and El Grand Senor and champion femalesBogie LeighCindeen Shelby and Paua To Burn it’s very hard to argue with that assessment.

But is Fernando Bale better than Brett Lee?

Comparing champions of different eras in any sport is always an unenviable task – and that’s certainly the case with greyhound racing with different track conditions, training methods and ever-escalating prizemoney levels – but for fear of being accused of getting ‘splinters’ I’ll say not yet.

However the gap is closing with each week.

Fernando Bale is as close as you’d see to a perfect racing machine – faultless box manners, blinding early speed, record-breaking sectionals and scintillating overall times.

But while the modern day superstar’s feats are fresh in the greyhound racing public’s consciousness, Brett Lee had all the same attributes – with interest.

“While Fernando Bale’s feats are fresh in the greyhound racing public’s consciousness, Brett Lee had all the same attributes – with interest.”

One of my first duties for The Greyhound Recorder was covering the 2001 Golden Easter Egg and I still recall being told in no uncertain terms by several ‘good judges’ that Brett Lee wouldn’t be able to cross from box eight.

Like everyone else in the massive crowd I was left in awe as Brett Lee exploded out of the boxes and had the race won at the winning post the first time. In almost identical fashion to the way Fernando Bale won this year’s Golden Easter Egg from the pink.

Brett Lee’s stunning Golden Easter Egg triumph was part of a sensational 12-race winning streak that included four Group 1 victories – in order the Adelaide Cup, Australian Cup, Maturity Classic and Golden Easter Egg.

After winning the Golden Easter Egg, Brett Lee had won 24 of his 28 starts (he retired having won 30 from 38), very similar to Fernando Bale’s current record of 20 from 25.

While precious little separates Brett Lee and Fernando Bale in terms of Group 1 and overall wins at a similar stage of their careers, Brett Lee broke seven track records, while Fernando Bale doesn’t yet have a track record on his resume.

After breaking the Horsham record at his third start, Brett Lee went on to establish records at Ballarat, Geelong, The Meadows, Shepparton, Warragul and most famously Angle Park where his mind-blowing ‘world record’ 28.88 will almost certainly never be broken.

Victory in the Peter Mosman on Saturday night – and as the TAB’s Fixed Odds price of $1.25 suggests the Classic appears to be at Fernando Bale’s mercy – will see him equal Brett Lee’s tally of four Group 1 victories.

And provided Fernando Bale stays sound – and owner/breeder Paul Wheeler continues to resist the ever-growing temptation of what will most assuredly be a lucrative stud career with him being a son of US sire Kelsos Fusileer – the sky appears to be the limit over the next six months.


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« 2015-Jun-20, 10:21 PM Reply #1 »
Fernando Bale looks a little more vulnerable than Brett Lee if we must compare - unlike the media I hate comparing.

Fantastic win tonight. Didn't begin the best but class prevails. Thought his kennelmate was a chance of knocking him off at one stage but he pulled out plenty.

$1.72 Top Tote +20% on Ladbrokes  :clap2:

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« 2015-Jun-21, 10:51 AM Reply #2 »
While precious little separates Brett Lee and Fernando Bale in terms of Group 1 and overall wins at a similar stage of their careers, Brett Lee broke seven track records, while Fernando Bale doesn’t yet have a track record on his resume.

After breaking the Horsham record at his third start, Brett Lee went on to establish records at Ballarat, Geelong, The Meadows, Shepparton, Warragul and most famously Angle Park where his mind-blowing ‘world record’ 28.88 will almost certainly never be broken.


 :whistle:

Fernando is a freak but BL was running lights out, that's what sets them a part at the moment imho.


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« 2015-Jun-28, 09:00 PM Reply #3 »
Waddled around Bendigo in the cup heats tonight in 23.38.

Might even be a track record.  :p


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« 2015-Jun-28, 10:42 PM Reply #4 »
Waddled around Bendigo in the cup heats tonight in 23.38.

Might even be a track record.  :p



  emthup

Only got 6 to catch up  :p

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« 2015-Jul-04, 08:50 AM Reply #5 »
Another $47k in the pocket.


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« 2015-Jul-11, 05:31 PM Reply #6 »
Fernando goes around in a heat of the Maturity tonight at the Meadows, race 4 box 4


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« 2015-Jul-12, 05:15 AM Reply #7 »
Fernando goes around in a heat of the Maturity tonight at the Meadows, race 4 box 4


Number 16 was one of his luckiest you'd have to say.

What a great night's racing. 12 heats held tonight.

4 dogs broke 30 seconds in their heat

DYNA DOUBLE ONE 29.564
POP THE CORK 29.662
WHAT'S CHEWING 29.75
MASTER TRON 29.888

Fernando was the next quickest in 30.002 just ahead of kennelmate Ivy Bale in 30.008

Dyna Double One and Qld champ Pop The Cork were so dominant.

What's Chewing in the last won by a space - no Lady Toy tonight.

Master Tron was at big odds and has run some time.

I take it they will run semis?

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« 2015-Jul-12, 10:13 AM Reply #8 »
Not sure about luck PP but he was in all sorts of trouble past the post the first time  :/ Shows the dogs determination to keep pushing through where there wasn't really a gap.

  emthup

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« 2015-Jul-12, 02:28 PM Reply #9 »
Slow away and gets a bump shows how good he is

Dyna double one is as good as him just lacks the early dash to avoid trouble

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« 2015-Jul-12, 07:31 PM Reply #10 »
Slow away and gets a bump shows how good he is

Dyna double one is as good as him just lacks the early dash to avoid trouble

Team Dailly openly say that they think there is only hundredths of seconds between the two - Fernando and Dyna Double One

Pop The Cork is an outstanding dog.

If all three make the final, it will come down to luck IMO. The one of the three that gets the clearest run to the first corner will win - my opinion.

Looking forward to it  :clap2:

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« 2015-Jul-12, 09:26 PM Reply #11 »
before the last g1 they both trialled at (i think) geelong and dyna went a few 100ths faster.

trifecta is with who you said.


I would like to see g1 dog racing on FTA just like G1 harness is.

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« 2015-Jul-13, 07:21 PM Reply #12 »
Hudson Pacific Maturity Classic S/E 525 Semi Final (Maidens Ineligible)(Whelped on/after 01/01/2013)
$7,000 - $2,000 - $1,000
525 Metres
S/E Semi Final
Box
Form
DogName
Trainer
1   11111   EVERS BALE   DEBORAH COLEMAN
2   34418   SPRING GAMBO   ANDREA DAILLY
3   12225   MARGINS   BROOKE ENNIS
4   34242   LEKTRA CONCORD   ANDREA DAILLY
5   25822   MEPUNGA ROSIE   JEFFREY BRITTON
6   23211   EDGE OF EDEN   ANGELA LANGTON
7   12121   DYNA DOUBLE ONE   ANDREA DAILLY
8   25572   EBERT BALE   ANDREA DAILLY
9(Res)   33121   MIDNIGHT RIDE   ANDREA BAHEN
10(Res)   41111   DALIYA BALE   DEBORAH COLEMAN


Hudson Pacific Maturity Classic S/E 525 Semi Final (Maidens Ineligible)(Whelped on/after 01/01/2013)
$7,000 - $2,000 - $1,000
525 Metres
S/E Semi Final
Box
Form
DogName
Trainer
1   11111   HOGGANAUGHT   DARREN PATTINSON
2   31186   EMRYS   MARIO BRIGANTI
3   18114   DIVA'S SHADOW   JEFFREY BRITTON
4   22622   AMARO BALE   ANDREA DAILLY
5   22631   ELFEN BALE   ANDREA DAILLY
6   31185   REPAYMENTS   BROOKE ENNIS
7   26211   ZIPPING CHUBBZ   PETER DAPIRAN
8   15181   POP THE CORK   Peter Ruetschi
9(Res)   31411   SHARED BONUS   JEFFREY BRITTON
10(Res)   44131   DAWKINS BALE   ANDREA DAILLY


Hudson Pacific Maturity Classic S/E 525 Semi Final (Maidens Ineligible)(Whelped on/after 01/01/2013)
$7,000 - $2,000 - $1,000
525 Metres
S/E Semi Final
Box
Form
DogName
Trainer
1   11275   BLACK ILLUSION   ANGELA LANGTON
2   13628   IVY BALE   ANDREA DAILLY
3   34322   SCHUMACHER   JAMES SHAW
4   12221   WHAT'S CHEWING   KELLY BRAVO
5   24617   BOWL 'EM OUT   JASON THOMPSON
6   23712   BENTA BALE   ANDREA DAILLY
7   37441   ALPHA ZEUS   JEFFREY BRITTON
8   27112   LEKTRA HOMBRE   JASON SHARP
9(Res)   32774   CRACKERJACK MAX   ANDREA DAILLY
10(Res)   41244   PARTY HOTSHOT   Ben Abercrombie


Hudson Pacific Maturity Classic S/E 525 Semi Final (Maidens Ineligible)(Whelped on/after 01/01/2013)
$7,000 - $2,000 - $1,000
525 Metres
S/E Semi Final
Box
Form
DogName
Trainer
1   26324   DIEGO BALE   ANDREA DAILLY
2   24516   SONIC DASH   ANGELA LANGTON
3   27114   SECRET SPELL   KELLY BRAVO
4   31341   BERZERK   JASON THOMPSON
5   12466   MASTER TRON   RAYMOND HENNESS
6   11111   FERNANDO BALE   ANDREA DAILLY
7   12813   LEKTRA OUTLAW   ANDREA DAILLY
8   31124   CALL ME GEE   ROBERT BRITTON
9(Res)   32562   COLLEGE QUEEN   MICHAEL CHILCOTT
10(Res)   41155   FEVER PITCH   RINALDO DIVIRGILIO

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« 2015-Jul-18, 08:34 PM Reply #13 »
I am manually taking an all up:

1. Lady Toy (1st $2.00 fixed)
2. Double Dyna One (1st $1.50 fixed)
3. Pop The Cork 7 dog killed any chance he had  :sad:
4. Fernando Bale - what is he up to, numbe 17  :clap2:
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« 2015-Jul-18, 09:45 PM Reply #14 »
I am manually taking an all up:

1. Lady Toy (1st $2.00 fixed)
2. Double Dyna One (1st $1.50 fixed)
3. Pop The Cork 7 dog killed any chance he had  :sad:
4. Fernando Bale - what is he up to, numbe 17  :clap2:

No number 17. Thought he was going to "do a Lonhro" but not to be.

What a great achievement  :clap2:

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« 2015-Jul-25, 08:15 PM Reply #15 »
Fernando gets his chance to avenge his loss last start but that is a real crack hot field.

Am very tempted to look for a bit of value. Brook Ennis' dog Margins might get a nice run from the red box. Capable of running some time and Ladbrokes betting Top Tote +10% -  currently $98.68 hope it stays at that price but I doubt it. Will have  a couple of dollars the win and take him and the #7 to run 2nd to the champ.

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« 2015-Jul-25, 09:50 PM Reply #16 »

Fernandoooooo Bale! The Canine Superstar, what a champion


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« 2015-Jul-26, 11:33 AM Reply #17 »
 :o

I thought he raced like a tired dog last week but wow what a performance   :noteworthy:

Came out under the lids, was 2 in front by the post the first time posting cracking sections.

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« 2015-Jul-30, 10:16 AM Reply #18 »
I think Elfin Bale is a chance to roll brother Fernando tonight.

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« 2015-Jul-30, 01:23 PM Reply #19 »
I think Elfin Bale is a chance to roll brother Fernando tonight.

Are you fishing for a price Skybeau  :what:

What a fantastic line up tonight. You can get $2.25 early on Dyna Double One in a very tough race - Margins always hard to beat. Mepunga Armagh seems to run into a good one every start. Might be his turn tonight in his heat.

Away from the Sprint series, what about that thing of Brook Ennis' in the first Sulzanti - debuted with a 13 length win in BON 29.47 thank you very much. Running around against maidens because the other heat winner has bailed out!

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« 2015-Jul-30, 06:40 PM Reply #20 »
Are you fishing for a price Skybeau  :what:

What a fantastic line up tonight. You can get $2.25 early on Dyna Double One in a very tough race - Margins always hard to beat. Mepunga Armagh seems to run into a good one every start. Might be his turn tonight in his heat.

Away from the Sprint series, what about that thing of Brook Ennis' in the first Sulzanti - debuted with a 13 length win in BON 29.47 thank you very much. Running around against maidens because the other heat winner has bailed out!

I like that there's a vacant box on her inside, she's a good beginner who crashes left.  Stranger things have happened.

Race 5 looks like there's not much pace from the inside boxes, Sonic Dash and Ronray Spirit look like the early leaders for mine.  Repayments a chance if it can recapture old form and find the rail, What's Chewing a chance, although has a very average record over the 15m.

Race 6 IMO is between Above All, Dyna Double One and Xtreme Knocka

Race 8 seems to be a lot of pace, not sure Mepunga Armagh has the speed to position up early.  I like Armed And Ready in this one at odds.

Race 9 Dyna Villa will be fave, but some good dogs here as well.  I like Weblec Belle to take up a position early, but Gaucho, DV and Emrys also chances.

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« 2015-Aug-05, 03:00 PM Reply #21 »
Away from the Sprint series, what about that thing of Brook Ennis' in the first Sulzanti - debuted with a 13 length win in BON 29.47 thank you very much. Running around against maidens because the other heat winner has bailed out!

Sulzanti missed the start a touch, found trouble and unplaced as a $1.20 favourite at The Meadows today.

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« 2015-Aug-05, 08:46 PM Reply #22 »
Sulzanti missed the start a touch, found trouble and unplaced as a $1.20 favourite at The Meadows today.

Looks like the inside draw didn't really suit him PP.  Likes to go a bit right after box rise, from the 3 runs I've seen.

Quite a handy dog (Blazin' Bomber) and litter going around at the moment.  

KINLOCH BRAE x ABSOLUTE STUNNA

Blazin' Bomber https://fasttrack.grv.org.au/Dog/Form/602160005 8 starts, 7 wins, 29.60 at The Meadows on Saturday night
Absolute Silence https://fasttrack.grv.org.au/Dog/Form/602160006 4 starts, 3 wins, 24.56 at Sale over 440m
Bells Are Ringin https://fasttrack.grv.org.au/Dog/Form/602160010 7 starts, 5 wins, 30.29 at Cranbourne, but looks to be going over longer trips
Ring The Bell https://fasttrack.grv.org.au/Dog/Form/602160004 6 starts, 2 wins

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« 2015-Aug-06, 09:09 PM Reply #23 »
So the champ was beaten.

Did he not appreciate the wet surface ?


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« 2015-Aug-22, 10:01 PM Reply #24 »
When they post the replay, take note of how still he was in the boxes before the jump.  :thumbsup:


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