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Offline Arsenal

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O.P. « 2016-Feb-11, 09:47 AM »
Greyhound trainer Tom Noble pleads guilty to animal cruelty charges
February 11, 2016 12:00am
David MurrayThe Courier-Mail


Live-baiting still cruel reality in greyhound racing

DISGRACED greyhound trainer Tom Noble has pleaded guilty to 15 serious animal cruelty charges and says he now regrets live baiting.


Noble’s guilty pleas in Ipswich Magistrates Court yesterday are a significant win for police, who have charges pending against a series of other trainers.

He will be sentenced in coming months but says he has already faced major punishment after racing authorities banned him from any involvement with greyhounds.

“I’ve been in dogs since I was 14-years-old,” he told The Courier-Mail after his court appearance.

“Not having dogs, not going to tracks, not going to places that have got dogs – it’s possibly worse than going to jail.

“I sit at home and watch TV.”

Greyhound trainer Tom Noble at Ipswich Court.

Noble, 69, said he had always admitted live baiting with piglets but said it had been common practice for years.

“You regret it now. It’s just a thing you’ve been brought up with.”

He added: “Looking back 10 years ago, there probably was not one track in Queensland that wasn’t live baiting.

“In the greyhound industry, I don’t think anybody at some stage hasn’t done something wrong.”

Noble was initially expected to argue CCTV footage of him live baiting was obtained illegally and was not admissible in court.


However he would have faced a counter argument that there was overwhelming public interest in the footage being obtained.

Animal rights activists secretly recorded Noble using piglets on lures at his training track at Churchable, near Ipswich, in the infamous live baiting scandal.

There was national outrage when the footage was aired on the ABC’s Four Corners program, with other trainers also caught “blooding” greyhounds at the track.

Noble was the first person charged under new animal cruelty laws and each charge carries a maximum penalty of seven years’ imprisonment.

Prosecutors yesterday withdrew a charge against Noble of intimidating or threatening a witness, with the consent of the complainant.

He has been described by police as “person zero” because the hidden CCTV cameras recorded rampant live baiting at his track.

Other trainers would pay him for live baiting of their greyhounds at the track.

“You’re not doing it to make money. You’re doing it to help them. A lot of people didn’t pay at all,” he said yesterday.

“Everybody knew about it. You’ve only got to walk around the street and ask people – 85 out of 100 people would say they did.”

Inquiries into cruelty in the greyhound industry are proceeding in Queensland, NSW and Victoria, with multiple claims against people linked to the industry which says it opposes cruelty.



I feel some sympathy for Tom a victim of his upbringing now he'll likely be made an example of and spend much of what's left of his sad life in chokey.......he should get some discount for his guilty plea and his age maybe health issues...two years minimum would be my guess. :shrug:


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« 2016-Feb-11, 10:33 AM Reply #1 »
As long as they learn from their past mistakes and don't repeat them, surely that should afford an industry a bit of leeway moving forward.

I don't know anybody on this forum that would agree with what has gone on in the past, but if the industry can be shown to move past these horrible incidents and get rid of the rotten wood, than it's is a win, win for everybody

Surely there isn't a person here that disagrees with that   emthup


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« 2016-Feb-11, 11:45 AM Reply #2 »
As long as they learn from their past mistakes and don't repeat them, surely that should afford an industry a bit of leeway moving forward.

I don't know anybody on this forum that would agree with what has gone on in the past, but if the industry can be shown to move past these horrible incidents and get rid of the rotten wood, than it's is a win, win for everybody

Surely there isn't a person here that disagrees with that   emthup



Agree.

And I don't see the benefit to the community if Tom is jailed.

Surely a life ban is the appropriate penalty here.

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« 2016-Feb-11, 05:39 PM Reply #3 »
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« Last Edit: 2016-Feb-15, 02:49 PM by Jims Punting »

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« 2016-Feb-11, 06:15 PM Reply #4 »
One or two prominent forum members would easily qualify under Noble's broad sweep of "everone knew about it" so why don't these people break their silence and man up to their participation in this cruel practice?
 

I am all for condemning and banning those people involved in live baiting (as the hidden thread will show) but I don't think it is fair to those on this forum, who are identified as being involved in the industry, to be accused of participation in this cruel practice without any proof or basis for this claim besides their involvement in the sport, no matter what Tom Noble alleges.
    
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« 2016-Feb-11, 06:34 PM Reply #5 »
I am all for condemning and banning those people involved in live baiting (as the hidden thread will show) but I don't think it is fair to a those on this forum who are identified as being involved in the industry to be accused of participation in this cruel practice without any proof besides their involvement in the sport, no matter what Tom Noble alleges.
     


Chalky,

Let's be nice..to all doggie supporters on this forum...protect them....get off it...everyone of them know/knew what has been going on...over 30 years...any one of them come on here and say the opposite I will go as far to say they are a liar...

But I agree...now that it is out in the open....move on and hope for a new opening for the industry...

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« 2016-Feb-11, 07:00 PM Reply #6 »
On the other thread I was one of those strongly condemning the industry, especially those who seemingly felt it was better to attack those that exposed these horrid actions rather than those that participated in it, however i don't think it is right to hang and quarter other forum members based on the confession of a guilty man. 

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« 2016-Feb-11, 07:08 PM Reply #7 »
On the other thread I was one of those strongly condemning the industry, especially those who seemingly felt it was better to attack those that exposed these horrid actions rather than those that participated in it, however i don't think it is right to hang and quarter other forum members based on the confession of a guilty man. 

I do...they all know what was going on....and they knew it was wrong....but they let it go for years and years....now caught out....and some may say Hell...this is wrong,,.bullshite...they have known it has been wrong for many..many..many...years...stop trying to protect them...admit wrong and move on...

I have done wrong in the past....but at least I admit it....and move on...chalky...stop trying to protect them...they have to admit wrong...

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« 2016-Feb-11, 07:31 PM Reply #8 »
If the other thread wasn't hidden you would be able to see my thoughts on this matter (why is it hidden? Is every thread based around a controversial/negative thread going to be hidden? If so i propose the 'Pride of the League' thread be banished immediately for similar intentions!), my motivation for responding to this thread is to support OUR other forum members from being adjudged guilty through hearsay.

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« 2016-Feb-11, 07:43 PM Reply #9 »
If the other thread wasn't hidden you would be able to see my thoughts on this matter (why is it hidden? Is every thread based around a controversial/negative thread going to be hidden? If so i propose the 'Pride of the League' thread be banished immediately for similar intentions!), my motivation for responding to this thread is to support OUR other forum members from being adjudged guilty through hearsay.

Chalky,

Cut it out.....they are guilty....not one forumite or others..that follows the greyhounds will say honestly they did not  know of baiting...bullshit to the highest order....Chalky...do not get down to their level....you know they're guilty...

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« 2016-Feb-11, 07:47 PM Reply #10 »
chuggers i've  trained dogs and horses and ive been through the mill doing a lot of things i probably wouldn't do now but i had a family to feed and i had to get quid to survive some of you angels have no idea. i killed over 200 head of cattle for dogs meat i used to rear pups for other people, you come down hard on all greyhound trainers their not all cruel people some maybe but not all and by the way the cruelest way ive ever seen a rabbit die is from myxo.

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« 2016-Feb-11, 07:56 PM Reply #11 »
Chalky

Other than for the obvious emthdown I agree with you.

Dunno whether Chuggers actually read your post.

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« 2016-Feb-11, 07:58 PM Reply #12 »
Chalky,

Cut it out.....they are guilty....not one forumite or others..that follows the greyhounds will say honestly they did not  know of baiting...bullshit to the highest order....Chalky...do not get down to their level....you know they're guilty...

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OK if that is the way 'we' roll here now i look forward to similar post on the Cobalt (or similar) thread accusing all those trainers, jockeys, owners on the forum of knowing about 'what goes on'.

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« 2016-Feb-11, 08:03 PM Reply #13 »
chuggers i've  trained dogs and horses and ive been through the mill doing a lot of things i probably wouldn't do now but i had a family to feed and i had to get quid to survive some of you angels have no idea. i killed over 200 head of cattle for dogs meat i used to rear pups for other people, you come down hard on all greyhound trainers their not all cruel people some maybe but not all and by the way the cruelest way ive ever seen a rabbit die is from myxo.

Richo,

I get where you are coming from..I have a few farmers friends....this is normal...it is...I get it...I am 57 years old...old school..like  you...but we have Forumites not saying they know about baiting..they.know it...it happens...but the world has changed....Richo...I get were you are coming from but generation x is coming to bite....I am on your side...

No more baiting from here on end...


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« 2016-Feb-11, 08:09 PM Reply #14 »
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« 2016-Feb-12, 08:48 AM Reply #15 »
If you can drive down the Mi doing 150kph and never get caught are you going to stop ??? So someone on this place said everyone knew what was going on ??? In the last 25 years the RSPCA has prosecuted two greyhound licencees for animal cruelty. This is that august body that puts down about 4,000 dogs and cats each year and did absolutely nothing when the media reported last week that about 200,000 animals are killed every year in this country in the name of testing. So the RSPCA buries its head in the sand for 25 years does virtually nothing about the rampant live baiting yet when its unearthed say what a terrible thing it is and how it could have gone on so long without being stopped. For f...ks sake, give us a break. Then we have the RQ stewards under jamie dart. In the 12 months prior to the abc report there were supposedly 22 kennel inspections and on one occasion a possum trap was found and brought back to deagon where it was dumped and no action taken. since four corners there have been 722 kennel inspections. The animal libbers then told RQ ceo condon that they had footage of live baiting, so what did condon do,  :censored:  all. Since four corners greyhound licencees have moved on, racing continues, turnover is 16% over rq's budget, its the only code showing increased turnover this is despite the fact short hall and declan martinsky have done everything possible to destroy the industry. live baiting is no more, greyhound still race, records are broken and the  :censored:  involved have been treated accordingly. as i said live baiting was always connected with greyhound racing, i have shown here stewards, rspca and others did nothing to try to stop it. the abc program was the best thing to happen to greyhound racing it rubbed out the cheats and let other genuine owners and trainers the chance to move on and this has happened despite the deplorable decisions made by martinsky and hall to destroy greyhound racing.

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« 2016-Feb-12, 08:57 AM Reply #16 »
Knowing about it & not actually seeing it with your own eyes is only making assumptions & is how rumors start.
Is a select few that have the opportunity for these services.
Is not open to all.
Majority are backyard trainers with no facilities to do this.
I have heard of it but not witnessed this with my own eyes.

It has been proven it was a small minority of the industry that were responsible.
To go on with this crap now long after the fact when the industry as a whole is now lifting their game,
is not fair to the stakeholders themselves that continue on.

Both codes have their grubby dark side. You cannot deny that.
So either expose it all & denigrate those at the same time or get off the dogs back.

The dog industry is trying to move forward.
If you knew of all the new rules, regulations & conditions that have been put in place
then you would realise that it is a new era for the industry. It took something like this
for a reality check.
Public perception has come to the top of priorities.
Welfare is also at the top of the list.
More dogs are re-homed than any of the horse codes combined.

Dogs are just easy targets for the pot shots of the uneducated & the loudest are those
just spruking the numbers from anti groups who just make things up as they go.
Facts....thats one thing the anti dont want to look at. They are happy with their fictional numbers.

Time to move forward.

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« 2016-Feb-12, 10:53 AM Reply #17 »
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« 2016-Feb-12, 10:59 AM Reply #18 »
Dont know if its true.....FFS.

This is what its all about.
All the BS around.

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« 2016-Feb-12, 11:01 AM Reply #19 »
So are you telling me it is true.

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« 2016-Feb-12, 02:58 PM Reply #20 »
From thedogs website

http://www.thedogs.com.au/NewsArticle.aspx?NewsId=7361
Greyhound Racing NSW (GRNSW) will reluctantly withdraw eight ongoing inquiries that arose from footage aired on the Four Corners Making A Killing program after it was determined that the covert footage obtained by Animals Australia breaches the Surveillance Devices Act 2005 and potentially exposes GRNSW to criminal prosecution.

Under section 11 (1) of the Surveillance Devices Act 2005 it is an offence to publish, or communicate to any person, a record of the carrying on of an activity, that has come to the person’s knowledge as a direct or indirect result of the use of an optical surveillance device. This section precludes GRNSW from relying upon the footage in an inquiry into any breach of the Greyhound Racing Rules. GRNSW understands that criminal prosecutions conducted by the NSW Director of Public Prosecutions or RSPCA NSW are not subject to the same restrictions.

The decision by GRNSW to withdraw the inquiries affects the following suspended participants:

• Anthony Cauchi
• John Cauchi
• Majella Ferguson
• Donna Grech
• Zeke Kadir
• Ian Morgan
• Wayne Smith
• David Sundstrom

While GRNSW is greatly disappointed with the decision to withdraw the inquiries arising from the Four Corners program, the organisation had no alternative options under the current legislation to pursue the matters.

In addition, GRNSW is withdrawing its inquiries into the following participants who appeared before, and/or were named in, the Special Commission of Inquiry:

• Todd Fear
• Harry Sarkis
• Leo Vanderburg
• Adam Wade
• Paul Wade
• Daniel Brewer

A number of witnesses that gave evidence at the Special Commission of Inquiry into the Greyhound Racing Industry in NSW have subsequently refused to answer questions or assist GRNSW’s inquiries. Accordingly as GRNSW has no power to compel witnesses to attend and/or answer questions, and the Special Commissions of Inquiry Act 1983 prevents admissions of wrongdoing by witnesses being used in other proceedings, GRNSW concluded there was insufficient evidence to lay charges against these participants.

GRNSW notes that some of the participants listed above may be subject to additional disciplinary or criminal proceedings, which are not impacted by today’s decision by GRNSW.

The refusal of witnesses to cooperate with GRNSW’s inquiries, prohibitions contained in the Surveillance Devices legislation, insufficient regulatory powers and inability to use admissions of wrongdoing made at the Commission is deeply frustrating and prevents GRNSW from taking appropriate disciplinary action in these matters.

Since February 2015, GRNSW has invested heavily in building its compliance and enforcement capability and has taken decisive measures to enhance animal welfare and stamp out the mistreatment of animals. GRNSW’s Investigations and Intelligence unit is comprised of highly experienced former State and Federal Police officers and conducts intelligence-led investigations into suspected wrongdoing while actively cooperating with other regulatory and law enforcement agencies to stamp out animal cruelty.

GRNSW recently launched its Industry Supervision Strategy which clearly articulates the organisation’s regulatory approach to supervising greyhound racing in NSW. More information about GRNSW’s regulatory approach is available here.

The Greyhound Racing Rules have also been amended to create new offences prohibiting the use of any animal products in lures and offences for failing to report the witnessing of such conduct. A failure to comply with these offences attracts a minimum disqualification for a period of five years and a maximum fine of up to $20,000.

GRNSW has also established the Greyhound Welfare and Integrity Hotline to ensure allegations of wrongdoing are collected, assessed and acted on. The Hotline can be contacted on 1800 680 174 or a http://www.greyhoundwelfare.com.au/

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« 2016-Feb-12, 07:25 PM Reply #21 »
Very strange situation it's OK for the ABC to broadcast images showing the live baiting and for the DPP to prosecute those participating but the GRNSW is prevented from taking action against them .....it's assumed GRNSW has obtained legal opinion that this interpretation as silly as it sounds is accurate. :o

 Under section 11 (1) of the Surveillance Devices Act 2005 it is an offence to publish, or communicate to any person, a record of the carrying on of an activity, that has come to the person’s knowledge as a direct or indirect result of the use of an optical surveillance device. This section precludes GRNSW from relying upon the footage in an inquiry into any breach of the Greyhound Racing Rules. GRNSW understands that criminal prosecutions conducted by the NSW Director of Public Prosecutions or RSPCA NSW are not subject to the same restrictions.


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« 2016-Feb-12, 07:47 PM Reply #22 »
So would that apply to the Mitchell Pearce case as well  :chin:

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« 2016-Feb-12, 09:02 PM Reply #23 »
Final report from the Joint Working Group released.

http://www.thedogs.com.au/Uploads/JWG%20Final%20Report.pdf


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« 2016-Feb-12, 09:15 PM Reply #24 »
So would that apply to the Mitchell Pearce case as well  :chin:


Only if it was a Grey . .

Poodles are lap dogs  :shutup:


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