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Offline deepthroat

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« 2017-Aug-28, 09:13 AM Reply #50 »
And so they should exclude the evidence- it was not obtained legally and racing regulators do not have the integrity and have shown they cannot be trusted to have such authority or powers over people without proper legal oversight..


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« 2017-Aug-28, 10:56 PM Reply #51 »

................. we are talking about Queensland .......... the whole place is corrupt.

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« 2017-Aug-29, 11:07 AM Reply #52 »
................. we are talking about Queensland .......... the whole place is corrupt.



That's a load of rubbish compared to Sin City the place is as white as snow.

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« 2017-Aug-29, 12:09 PM Reply #53 »
You gave me a start there Arsenal . .

Read your post in a hurry and thought it read 'Sun City'  :o

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« 2018-Mar-22, 08:15 PM Reply #54 »
Greyhound trainer Tom Noble allowed to keep property despite animal cruelty conviction
By Ellie Sibson



 Tom Noble
PHOTO: Tom Noble received a three-year suspended sentence after pleading guilty to serious animal cruelty. (AAP: Dave Hunt)

Disgraced former greyhound trainer Tom Noble will be able to keep his property where illegal live baiting took place, despite attempts by the Queensland Government to confiscate it under proceeds of crime.

Noble tied piglets, possums and rabbits to a mechanical lure arm at his track to train greyhounds, and was exposed by the ABC's Four Corners program for live baiting.

The offences took place at his Churchable property, west of Brisbane.

In September 2016, he was sentenced to three years jail, wholly suspended, after pleading guilty to 15 counts of serious animal cruelty.

After his conviction, the State Government applied to the Supreme Court in Brisbane to confiscate his $600,000 property under proceeds of crime laws.

Four Corners: Making A Killing

Four Corners exposes the use of piglets, possums and rabbits as live bait in secret greyhound training sessions.
But this morning Justice Graeme Crow dismissed the application.

Noble was not in court when the decision was handed down, but outside court accused authorities of "harassment".

"I don't think they had any chance of winning at any stage," he said.

"It's caused us a lot of stress. We've invested a lot into that property as a retirement thing and if they had have taken it off us, we would have had nothing."

Justice Crow said the Nobles needed medical assistance because they both suffered from significant health issues.

"The Churchable property is therefore extremely important to Mr and Mrs Noble, not only as their sole source of current income but importantly as a means of funding any necessary medical treatment," he said.

"To deprive Mrs Noble of this would be unjust.

"It must be concluded that forfeiture of the Churchable property would be wholly disproportionate to the nature and gravity of the offences and would be manifestly unfair both to Mr Noble and Mrs Noble and would cause significant hardship to both Mr and Mrs Noble."

In an affidavit filed as part of the case, Noble said he would suffer "extreme financial hardship" if his home was confiscated and it would force he and his wife onto welfare.

He told the court they were not eligible for the aged pension and their annual income was about $16,000 which he said was "far below" the average wage.

"Our total assets of $1,039,925 is all we [have to] survive, without the need of going onto the aged pension," Noble wrote in the affidavit.

AG's sentence appeal dismissed ENDs

The Second time the current AG has had a rush of blood trying to further penalise Noble the Judge made the right decision while the live baiting is abhorrent the rewards Noble got @$5 a go amounted to something like $1200 according to ABC News yet the  AG wants the Court  to forfeit his property.

Pity she didn't show the same determination to appeal the damages awarded to Palm Island rioter Lex Wotton who got a massive payout from a sympathetic Federal Court instead of throwing the towel in.


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« 2018-Mar-22, 08:37 PM Reply #55 »
Pity she didn't show the same determination to appeal the damages awarded to Palm Island rioter Lex Wotton who got a massive payout from a sympathetic Federal Court instead of throwing the towel in.

Sadly the overlap between 'political-correctness' and 'common-sense' is slowly disappearing . .

If it were a two horse race 'P-C' would be at 'prohibitive' odds

'Public Opinion'  . . or . . the 'Pub Test'

Normal people are being phased out  :wavecry:

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« 2019-Apr-06, 07:51 PM Reply #56 »
Greyhound cruelty case thrown out
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THE live-baiting case against a former high-profile Queensland greyhound trainer has been thrown out of court.

Ipswich District Court’s Judge Dennis Lynch today ruled that ex-trainer Reg Kay had no case to answer on one count of serious animal cruelty.

Kay was one of several people charged after a 2015 Four Corners expose of live baiting in greyhound racing.

The report aired footage by Animal Liberation Queensland activists who had hidden cameras at a Churchable training track, west of Brisbane, in 2014.

Kay, who has trained several champion greyhounds, was charged with animal cruelty over the alleged use of a pig to bait his dogs at Churchable.

Handing down his decision Judge Lynch said his ruling related to the evidence presented in court and was not to be seen as condoning live baiting. The judge has previously described the practice as “barbaric”.

Kay, a former Hall of Famer trainer, was among more than 20 Queensland trainers previously given a lifetime ban from the industry.

The owner of the Churchable track, Tom Noble, pleaded guilty in 2016 to 15 counts of serious animal cruelty.

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« 2019-Apr-06, 07:56 PM Reply #57 »


Queensland is Queensland -- it is not Australia.

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Offline Gintara

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« 2019-Nov-13, 05:35 PM Reply #59 »
Don't you just love these quotes -

Julia Cockram, from the Coalition for the Protection of Greyhounds, said blooding increased dogs' "prey drive" and made them race faster.

"I'm pretty sure its much more widespread than three individuals in the industry."


Faster? Really?  :wacko: and then the standard - It's much more widespread - no evidence of course but that doesn't stop these people throwing mud.


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« 2019-Nov-13, 05:55 PM Reply #60 »
So Gin, are you willing to put your reputation there is the only 3 that were caught and rest of the trainers are innocent?

I would not. History has showed that usually where there is money there will always be an element of skull duggery.
The stupid part is with all the publicity a few years ago, you would expect people to be clean.

Interestingly are Victorian trainers in greyhound and horses more corrupt than NSW trainers as they are the only ones who seem to have been done.



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« 2019-Nov-13, 10:29 PM Reply #61 »
Juenes - not the point.

There's always people breaking the law whether it's greyhounds, speeding in car, drugs etc etc.

I just don't believe it's widespread like she insinuates. She should put up or shut up imho.

As for NSW v Victoria - I'd doubt the crooks stick to one side of the Murray  :bulb:

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« 2019-Nov-14, 06:27 AM Reply #62 »
Juenes - not the point.

There's always people breaking the law whether it's greyhounds, speeding in car, drugs etc etc.

I just don't believe it's widespread like she insinuates. She should put up or shut up imho.

As for NSW v Victoria - I'd doubt the crooks stick to one side of the Murray  :bulb:

The point is this, racing has kicked so many own goals lately, it is not funny. People can make allegations about racing and most people will believe them.

One person, I used to work with a long time when I was a youngster used to lament the fact that smoking was banned in the workplace. He used to tell us and we were very young how people are taking his right to have a good time away.

We were used to non smoking environments so we could not relate to him. This is at times with racing. The punters like us see a need to change or act but most youngsters and people not involved in racing don’t give a rats. These are not activists who demonstrate etc but normal people who goto work and have great jobs. Most think racing is cruel etc.

We should ban all crooks for life and fine or jail them. At least it seems we are doing something. The excuse they have no other skills is a joke. People who cannot return to their industry of choice in any other field have to adapt.

Racing media glosses over the lowlights. In most other sports, it does not happen. It took a long time for cycling to acknowledge issues and cover ups. They have moved on. Racing needs to do the same as it needs to protect the “clean” racing in NSW.

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« 2019-Nov-14, 07:02 AM Reply #63 »
More info on the greyhound charge.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-13/greyhound-training-team-suspended-over-live-baiting-allegations/11701692

Intrigued that a person who has been charged multiple times including a guilty plea is a committee of a Greyhound Racing club. I thought there were laws disqualifying people for that in most sports.


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