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Offline D-G

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« 2015-Feb-16, 09:35 PM Reply #25 »
Well, that was sickening to watch.

This has been going on for many decades, so I will let you do the stats on WHO has been doing it during that time :whistle:

Don't be fooled into thinking that equally sickening things don't go on in thoroughbreds or harness, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these lowlifes went missing as a result of this story  :bulb:

I reckon a couple of the criminal horse trainers should go missing also   :chin:

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« 2015-Feb-16, 09:52 PM Reply #26 »


the use of jiggers and arsenic is actually very rare these days


So, you are suggesting those things are still active in horse racing?

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« 2015-Feb-16, 09:58 PM Reply #27 »
If the ASADA beat up on the footy codes was known as "the darkest day in Australian sport" where the hell does this rank? Hard to see greyhound racing bouncing back, surely sponsors will pull out in their droves. Full credit to those that exposed this, very brave to do so because they have had to upset many, many people and on what we saw in the footage these mightn't be the sort of people that you want holding a grudge against you.

Makes me feel a little silly though because I got into a 'discussion' with the young lady from QLD (Hayley) about greyhound racing a year or so ago in a pub, she was obviously right :shy:

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« 2015-Feb-16, 10:00 PM Reply #28 »
So, you are suggesting those things are still active in horse racing?

I would think they might be more common than oyu might think. I know there was a Western Victorian trainer who got done 7 or 8 years ago for a jigger, but when you think about it, with the new whip rules, there is at least some encouragement to use in private and only "show the whip" on race day.

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« 2015-Feb-17, 06:58 AM Reply #29 »
I guess what disappoints me is they portrayed the whole industry as being involved. 90% of the industry would be innocent yet you're made to feel guilty for owning a greyhound  :tears:

I've walked into many a trail track over the last 20 years and have never seen anything blatant like it was portrayed as. They made it look like you just rock up to trial and there is a live animal on the arm.

The RSPCA just reinforced my long held view of them, far more political & publicity hungry then worrying about the welfare of animals.  emthdown

This morning on Sunrise we've seen a talking head from RSPCA Qld basically gloating and stating this is endemic, without a shred of evidence.  :shutup:

Please don't take this as a defence, what was shown is indefensible, I just hate the whole slant of the thing.

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« 2015-Feb-17, 07:10 AM Reply #30 »
Gin, were you surprised at a few of the big
names in the vision ?  :o

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« 2015-Feb-17, 07:18 AM Reply #31 »
SICKENING footage of animals used as live bait allegedly uncovers a bloody underbelly of organised cruelty within greyhound industry.

The Victorian  state government has promised to crack down on the industry after it was alleged that some of Victoria’s top trainers and owners have been allowing live possums, piglets and rabbits to be mauled to death by racing dogs.
Minister for Racing Martin Pakula last night labelled the live baiting practice “barbaric, abhorrent and illegal”.
It came as the ABC aired videos showing small animals squealing and being flung around racing tracks as bait.
Other animals were shown injured and stuffed into small boxes. The live baiting crisis blew up on Wednesday when the RSPCA and police raided a training centre in Tooradin.
Greyhound Racing Victoria suspended 10 people for “alleged live baiting offences”.
Among those implicated has been two-time Australian Greyhound Trainer of the Year Darren McDonald, who was allegedly caught on camera carrying a piglet inside a sack into the property where dogs then mauled the animal.
Also shamed was successful Victorian trainer Stuart Mills, the brother of Andrew Mills, who was a former deputy Chief Steward for Greyhound Racing Victoria and now the regulator’s chief racing grader.
Another former Greyhound Racing Victoria steward, Paul Aderton, has also allegedly been caught training his dogs with live bait.
The ABC’s Four Corners program claimed to have collected 17 videos of live baiting.
The horrific footage has shown dogs released to grab at a possum as it is flung around a racing track 26 times at high speed until it is left hanging by its spinal cord.


If you believe the racing industry is in trouble with cobalt how will the greyhound industry get over this scandal

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« 2015-Feb-17, 07:59 AM Reply #32 »
The Four Corners program did NOT portray the entire greyhound racing industry as corrupt.

If anything, the inherent weakness in the program was to link these abhorrent activities to sure fire success.

What the program did achieve was to highlight abhorrent activity in greyhound racing.

Whether one person does it is irrelevant.

Some in the greyhound industry should stop the crocodile tears and hope swift action is taken by authorities.

The whole affair is also a slight on the controlling bodies inaction, indifference or both.

Any criticism of last night's program will ring hollow with decent human beings

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« 2015-Feb-17, 08:20 AM Reply #33 »
I guess what disappoints me is they portrayed the whole industry as being involved. 90% of the industry would be innocent yet you're made to feel guilty for owning a greyhound  :tears:

I've walked into many a trail track over the last 20 years and have never seen anything blatant like it was portrayed as. They made it look like you just rock up to trial and there is a live animal on the arm.

The RSPCA just reinforced my long held view of them, far more political & publicity hungry then worrying about the welfare of animals.  emthdown

This morning on Sunrise we've seen a talking head from RSPCA Qld basically gloating and stating this is endemic, without a shred of evidence.  :shutup:

Please don't take this as a defence, what was shown is indefensible, I just hate the whole slant of the thing.


How many people have not been caught, named and shamed ?

How many people turn a blind eye to these things ?

The whole industry is rightfully tainted until it gets on top of these things.


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« 2015-Feb-17, 08:31 AM Reply #34 »
Anyone got an informed opinion on whether the secret footage would be admissible as evidence in a criminal prosecution?

Didnt they do similar to get the Daniel Morcombe killer convicted beyond reasonable doubt?


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« 2015-Feb-17, 08:33 AM Reply #35 »
Didnt they do similar to get the Daniel Morcombe killer convicted beyond reasonable doubt?



Whilst I hope the footage is admissable, I would imagine the Daniel Morcombe evidence would have been done with the full backing of a Judge.

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« 2015-Feb-17, 08:42 AM Reply #36 »

How many people have not been caught, named and shamed ?

How many people turn a blind eye to these things ?

The whole industry is rightfully tainted until it gets on top of these things.



Get of your high horse!

All codes have their SHITE aspect in them.

It is wrong what these people & others have done, & have done for a very long time until now.
They have been caught red handed.
They MUST get rubbed out. FULL STOP
They say there is a lot more footage than that shown last night that will implicate even further.

NOT ALL IN THE CODE DO THIS.
THE MAJORITY WOULD BEEN CLEAN & HAVE NO GUILT ON THEIR SHOULDERS.
LIKE MANY YOU ARE QUICK TO TAR ALL WITHIN THE CODE WITH THE SAME BRUSH.

DO ALL HORSE TRAINERS FEED COBALT???
DO ALL HORSE TRAINERS GIVE MILKSHAKES?????

NOT ALL GREYHOUND TRAINERS USE THE METHODS SHOWN LAST NIGHT.


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« 2015-Feb-17, 08:51 AM Reply #37 »
If I was in the Queensland police force I'd be taken a longer look at the lives of some of those at that particular track shown(I didn't catch the name of the track Noble ran). The behaviour they displayed in particular  to me woulb be a tell tale sign of people who could be into far worse things.
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« 2015-Feb-17, 08:59 AM Reply #38 »
Get of your high horse!

All codes have their SHITE aspect in them.

It is wrong what these people & others have done, & have done for a very long time until now.
They have been caught red handed.
They MUST get rubbed out. FULL STOP
They say there is a lot more footage than that shown last night that will implicate even further.

NOT ALL IN THE CODE DO THIS.
THE MAJORITY WOULD BEEN CLEAN & HAVE NO GUILT ON THEIR SHOULDERS.
LIKE MANY YOU ARE QUICK TO TAR ALL WITHIN THE CODE WITH THE SAME BRUSH.

DO ALL HORSE TRAINERS FEED COBALT???
DO ALL HORSE TRAINERS GIVE MILKSHAKES?????

NOT ALL GREYHOUND TRAINERS USE THE METHODS SHOWN LAST NIGHT.



You come on here yelling and screaming all you like but I doubt you can prove how wide spread or not this disgraceful barbarism is.

Thankfully the thoroughbred industry is clamping down on the cobalt saga, we are yet to know the full numbers or the outcome. If people get away with it there will be an uproar as there already has been.

If it was not for the ABC this barbarism in the Greyhound industry would continue with it seems the knowledge of a great number of people who for what ever reason chose to ignore it.

The highlighted piece in your passionate rant shows its probably far deeper than we have got last night.


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« 2015-Feb-17, 09:00 AM Reply #39 »
Very disgusting footage and to hear the moronic comments from the perps....laughing and cursing ......the spokesperson for the industry didn't come across too well either...set up by those who refused to take part who nominated him as the control bodies Aunt Sally to take the heat......more inquiries follow and charges to be preferred......and proper scrutiny on trial tracks and breaking in farms should be a priority.........whether Four Corners footage would be admissible in a Court is arguable.....not as though it was authorised by the judiciary before hand...and the ABC got access by intimating they were doing it as a promotional piece.....how the hidden cameras and recorders were installed by the Animal Rights Group and not discovered by the targets is a mystery that is likely to be ventilated at the disciplinary level once charges are filed.....personally I doubt that the majority of greyhound participants are involved in live baiting.....Bunny my golfing mate told me he used an onion bag with squeaky toys inside ...never a live bait. Giddy Up. :beer:

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« 2015-Feb-17, 09:22 AM Reply #41 »
According to you all greyhound trainers do this?
Believe the media hype as they want you to.

Like I said before this only takes away from the seriousness of the cobalt epidemic in the two horse codes.

Until you can say the horse codes are squeaky clean then stop bashing the dogs code as a whole
but instead give it to the  :censored:  shown in the footage.
They did the wrong thing!!!!!!!!






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« 2015-Feb-17, 09:27 AM Reply #42 »
Note the date -

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/vets-claim-live-animals-used-as-bait-to-train-greyhounds-20131123-2y2hg.html

Well picked up Matt.

So the Four corners "exclusive" is not looking very exclusive. Is it.

November 24, 2013

The illegal practice of allowing live animals to be killed by greyhounds as part of their racing training is still occurring in NSW, according to evidence that has been given at a parliamentary inquiry into the state of the industry.

Revelations about the barbaric activity have included details about the use of guinea pigs, rabbits, chickens, kittens and possums which have had their claws and teeth removed so they can't hurt the dogs, being used as ''bait'' and being mauled to death in training sessions.

''I have been told 'anything that squeals will do','' an industry stakeholder whose identity has been suppressed said in a written submission to the upper house inquiry.

TV vet Dr Robert Zammit has backed up the claims in his evidence before the inquiry and RSPCA NSW chief inspector David O'Shannessy said they had also received anonymous complaints but so far they had been unable to substantiate the claims. He encouraged people to come forward with information.


This is old news recycled.

But that doesn't excuse those involved.

I abhor any cruelty to animals and I'd like to see these types of people sent to prison - off the streets and away from decent folk. They are not decent civilized people if they do that sort of thing.

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« 2015-Feb-17, 09:28 AM Reply #43 »
According to you all greyhound trainers do this?


Where did I say that ?

You just keep your head in the sand.

This will all blow over in a month or two, possibly sooner and people will be doing the same thing and "the good people" in the industry will turn a blind eye to it.


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« 2015-Feb-17, 09:31 AM Reply #44 »
This is so sad on many levels. I didn't see the show.Have any of the trainers been named?


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« 2015-Feb-17, 09:33 AM Reply #45 »
This is so sad on many levels. I didn't see the show.Have any of the trainers been named?



Some bloody big names have been named.


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« 2015-Feb-17, 10:08 AM Reply #46 »
Essentially I didn't learn anything last night that I didn't already know, that everyone except the most naive in greyhound racing didn't already know. 

If I knew then the greyhound racing authorities certainly knew - but what, apart from lip service, have they done about it ?  Nothing.  That makes them, and everyone involved in greyhound racing complicit with these crimes because they have knowingly tolerated it and done nothing about it.

" You may be emotional, you will be angry. Do not be angry at those that attack us, regardless of their position. Be angry at those within the sport that are doing the wrong thing and providing the ammunition to attack all of us."

You can add the greyhound racing authorities to the anger list. 

Doing nothing was 'doing the wrong thing' and their tolerance of live baiting provides as much ammunition as the practice of live baiting itself.


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« 2015-Feb-17, 10:10 AM Reply #47 »
From the CM today another story in the home delivery edition .."Criminal links to racing's scandal "about crooks involved in harness racing juicing up horses with cobalt and naming those associated with a Victorian EPO inquiry in 2009 and that the Vet from the clinic is a suspect in the current cobalt inquiry.....didn't make it to the digital online edition. :o

Instead of that piece the digital edition is about the greyhounds. :whistle:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/greyhound-racings-dark-secret-four-corners-reveals-live-piglets-rabbits-and-native-wildlife-used-to-blood-dogs-for-track/story-fnii5s41-1227221365803

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/superracing/queensland-greyhound-live-baiters-will-be-banned-rspca-outraged/story-fnii0njy-1227222282369


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« 2015-Feb-17, 11:14 AM Reply #48 »
Victorian Greyhound Awards night has been cancelled due to the recent events.
Racing Queensland should follow suit & cancel the greyhounds Awards night held next month.

Some of the trainers exposed were more than likely up for an award.
They dont deserve anything after this except for a permanent holiday.

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« 2015-Feb-17, 11:18 AM Reply #49 »
http://www.australianracinggreyhound.com/australian-greyhound-racing/administration/time-for-a-fresh-start-arg-responds-to-live-baiting-crisis/61391?utm_content=buffer7cf11&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer


Australian Racing Greyhound is calling for the chairs of the three boards concerned - Greyhound Racing Victoria, Greyhound Racing New South Wales and Racing Queensland - to stand down or be removed at once.

Australian Racing Greyhound is calling for the chief executive officers of the three racing authorities concerned - Greyhound Racing Victoria, Greyhound Racing New South Wales and Racing Queensland - to stand down or be removed.

Australian Racing Greyhound is calling for the chief stewards of the three authorities concerned - Greyhound Racing Victoria, Greyhound Racing New South Wales and Racing Queensland - to stand down or be removed.

Australian Racing Greyhound is calling for life bans for those identified in the vision as perpetuating these acts of extreme animal abuse.

Australian Racing Greyhound is calling for an end to the revolving door of suspensions and disqualifications being subverted by authorising the transfer of greyhounds from the offending trainer to their spouse.





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