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« 2016-Jul-07, 06:55 PM Reply #25 »
The report extends to 3 volumes plus eight appendices ..delivered on 16th June with two recommendations ......Close down the sport or improve it .....within three weeks of receiving this voluminous report ....the Premier made a decision ....he opted to go with the close down when less than 20% of participants have done the wrong thing .......  apparently on his lonesome you would think a decision as significant as this would require the Cabinet to be involved....and to make matters worse the ACT is going to fall into line......and on the 6O'clock news the Hon. Grace  is waffling on about what might or might not happen in Queensland.

Very poor result for all those involved who have clean hands.

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« 2016-Jul-07, 10:12 PM Reply #26 »
This is an interesting video.

Fast forward to about the 20th minute and the 38th minute.

Peter V'Landy's new about this in April.


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« 2016-Jul-07, 10:27 PM Reply #27 »
His figures are totally wrong about the dogs :shutup: 10000 dogs a year? We wouldn't have an industry ..... only 2 kept out of every litter  :stop: If it wasn't so serious you'd laugh  ........ but regardless his sentiment is right, the horses are next.

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« 2016-Jul-07, 11:39 PM Reply #28 »
There is a bigger issue behind the NSW Governments decision to ban Greyhound Racing in NSW from the 1st July 2017. There are quite a few prominent members of our major racing code that have been pushing for the Greyhound Industry's closure for some time. Firstly I doubt that the decision by the NSW Premier is in fact legal and wait 3 to 4 weeks to hear more on this front. But again the Greyhound Industry has not helped itself. Why would the NSW Greyhound Board suspend all NSW Greyhound meetings for the next 7 days. All this has done is send a message to all other State Racing Ministers that the NSW Government must be right in making their decision. So let's look at the root cause of all the noise surrounding the Greyhound Racing. I'm not going to use the 20% figure being stated everywhere about who has done wrong in the Greyhound Industry because I don't believe that figure for one minute. Let's not hide behind a rock either as we know a small percentage of Greyhound Industry participants did the wrong thing that saw the you know what hit the fan last year. Some of the figures quoted by the NSW Premier have more holes in them than a block of Swiss cheese. Do some math Mike Baird and you will realize your numbers are grossly overstated in so many parts of your commissioned report. And please don't throw up things that happen in Asia and other countries, stick to the facts within Australia. Also if some of the previous NSW Governments appointees to senior positions within the NSW Greyhound management team had done their jobs we wouldn't be in this mess. Yes there are dogs put down due to a number of reasons each year but I ask what about other non-racing industries. Should we all turn vegetarian and stop slaughtering animals for food consumption. Do we continue to turn a blind eye to religious beliefs that lead to slow agonizing deaths of animals to please certain religions. So whats next, lets ban all cars from NSW roads as people get killed every year in accidents. Lets ban the Olympics due to all the drug cheats. No Mr Baird you ban the offenders and then plan for a better Greyhound Industry. I encourage everyone to have a look at the South Australian Greyhound website. They have done everything possible to improve the Greyhound Industry in South Australia. What Mr Baird doesn't want to hear is just how serious the Greyhound Industry has responded to fixing issues that have been a long term problem within the Greyhound Industry. I hope I don't see posts on this forum that just want to dig the boot into the Greyhound Industry as one must remember, "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". No doubt the next 2 months will be very interesting for all 3 codes. The next push by the NSW Government is to ban whips in both horse codes. I must close on an issue that I just don't get. Why on hell would the new Racing Queensland Board stop our new Racing Ambassador Billy Slater attending tonight's Albion Park Greyhound meeting. "Due to today's controversy in the NSW Greyhound Industry Billy Slater will not be attending tonight's Albion Park Greyhound meeting". This is after the Albion Park Greyhound Club promoted Billy Slater's attendance and I can assure you that the additional parents that attended tonight so their children could meet Billy Slater were not impressed. If ever a Racing Board needed to show unity for all 3 codes it was today. I just hope we are not in for another reign of "amateur hour" from Racing Queensland. PS: I retired from the Greyhound Industry 20 years ago and my last 5 Greyhounds passed away age 15 all within 3 months of each other. We can't let the Greyhound Industry die because of such a small percentage of dumb actions.  :clap2:
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« 2016-Jul-08, 07:16 AM Reply #29 »
Not sure what income the Greyhounds generate for the State but you'd think it'd pale in comparison with the Gallops.
Huge issue was the Live Baiting which doesn't apply to the Gallops.

Heard yesterday also that Ipswich Dogs are closing down & apparently moving to Ipswich Gallops venue. Maybe it's the first move in closing Greyhound Racing down in QLD??? A few years ago they mooted moving the dogs to the Gallops venue & it was never mentioned again. It's strange how it's back in spotlight the same time as NSW Govt decision to close down the dogs in NSW.
     

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« 2016-Jul-08, 07:58 AM Reply #30 »
100,000 domestic dogs are euthanized every five years in Australia, but hey lets ban greyhound racing instead of trying to better the industry.
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« 2016-Jul-08, 08:20 AM Reply #31 »
Baird's decision is getting plenty of air play in the media ...7.30 Rep[ort last night had a segment on the ban....interview with one Andy Lord described as a leading trainer and breeder from Gunning near Canberra.....Andy knows nothing but greyhounds and made sense with his comments..... in particular.....how does the Baird guvment expect to rehome thousands of greyhounds after 30th June 2017...Andy has never been involved in live baiting or exporting dogs to Macau or Vietnam ....which the GRA doesn't issue export permits for anyway....although on a side note it was revealed Andy's missus has been charged with unauthorised export of greyhounds ... she has  denied the allegations.

 Brenton Scott spokesperson for the industry came across as a reasonable well spoken and intelligent man forecast the industry will fight to overturn the ban ...ABC claimed only NSW Inquiry had the powers of a RC ...obviously they have forgotten that MacSporran QC had his commission upgraded to a RC and it didn't go for a ban rather an industry reorganisation and stricter controls.

ABC link with words and pictures.

Giddy Up :beer:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2016/s4496681.htm
 

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« 2016-Jul-08, 12:15 PM Reply #32 »
For those that don't understand how this ban will be achieved.

All the NSW Government has to do is to amend present leglistation to make the ban legal, or introduce new leglislation.  Once Parliament achieves that, the Bill goes to the Governor for assent and the ban becomes law.  No ground for appeal unless someone can find a loophole in constitutional law to take it to the High Court.

The place to work is in the Parliament.  Usually the side with the numbers wins.  The problem for the industry is that there is a competing lobby of fluffy per people and much of the disinterested public who will vote animal over industry every time.  Politically speaking, cancels out the dismay of the greyhound racing lobby.

This is a done deal by Government, and they have the ammo of an 18 month Royal Commission. to back them up.  It was in the Commission where the pro greyhounders needed to work their buts off to counter the stain caused by 4 Corners.    I am not sure yet if that effectively occurred apart from a few industry submissions from bodies who oversaw the cruelty the last few decades and did nothing.  The Commissioner would justifiably have viewed such submissions to have no great weight.

Will read the Report with interest.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 12:58 PM Reply #33 »
This issue has ramifications across all codes. It seems to me the main issue the government has is the culling of dogs no longer viable. What happens when they do a study on what happens to racehorses when they retire?

Everybody who has an interest in any form of racing needs to take a stand against this decision.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 01:56 PM Reply #34 »
Napes, I have just begun to read the report.  It is a MUST READ for anyone before drawing conclusions for or against, and extrapolating to other codes.  This is a Royal Commission that was conducted by an eminent jurist, unlike the Perna and MacSporran inquiries in Vic & Qld.  The depth of inquiry was exhaustive and the evidence led to the conclusions, not just McHugh himself.  The data are compelling reading and the report appears to follow where the data led it. 

Further, McHugh appears to have considered and evaluated all options available to fix matters, not just offer recommendations as MacSporran did and hope they just might fix problems without sound evaluation. 

I urge everyone to read the report.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 03:14 PM Reply #35 »
This was ready to be announced last week

Why now has that grub Baird decided to release it. AFTER the federal election


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« 2016-Jul-08, 04:06 PM Reply #36 »
Napes you are 100% spot on with your concerns for both horse codes. I understand where Ascot is coming from in regards to the NSW Government having the power to shut down the NSW Greyhound Industry but will it end there.........................NO. Here is something to ponder. A prominent Harness Horse owner has had over 500 horses in the last 15 years. With an average full life expectancy of a horse being 25 years I ask how many of the 500 horses are still alive today. The answer is less than 70. So if the same animal lobby group looks at both horse codes next then we have a very large storm front approaching. In regards to Ascot's comment that both horse codes don't have the same tarnished image as they don't engage in live baiting all I can say is "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" There is enough negative actions well known in both horse codes for the animal lobby groups to have a field day and make headlines nationally. It's time for both horse codes to get on the front foot and look at one problem that the non-racing public is sick of and that is the use of whips. Act now before "the attack" begins.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 04:14 PM Reply #37 »
Mortdale and Napes if you watch Authorized's video, Peter V'landy's is aware of what might be coming

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« 2016-Jul-08, 04:27 PM Reply #38 »
Nemisis, thank you for the lead into Peter V'Landy's video. Without giving too much away I have had dealings with V'Landy and he would swap sides at half time in a Grand Final if he felt it would help him. I really want everyone to understand that we should lead not follow. And this is why I want Racing Queensland to lead and protect QLD racing and not wait to put the fire out that can be prevented from starting.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 06:05 PM Reply #39 »
This is the recommendation which is causing the demise of the NSW industry

RECOMMENDATION 1
Given the findings of the Commission concerning the management and governance of the greyhound
racing industry, the Parliament of New South Wales should consider whether the industry has lost its
social licence and should no longer be permitted to operate in NSW.

Whilst the animal welfare groups worked as whistle blowers to expose the flaws for their own beliefs and purposes, they are not to be blamed for the outcome.  I believe that rests with the expose of the industries failings, considered by the Commissioner to be so grave that greyhound racing in NSW was judged as being unable to self correct the ingrained culture going forward.  That is what this is all about.  A loss of what the Commissioner call the social licence.

I note the depth of problems in this statement:

The Commission accepts that not every greyhound trainer or owner was involved in live baiting,
and that many trainers are dedicated people with a proper respect for animal welfare generally.
They are persons who do not and would not countenance live baiting. The Commission is of the
view, however, that a very sizeable proportion of industry participants had, from time to time,
engaged in live baiting as a method of training greyhounds. The Commission finds that the
practice was, in effect, rampant and chronic. In the main, persons engaged in live baiting
because that is what other people in the industry had done or were doing and that it was a longstanding
method of training a dog to be a better chaser. Further, the practice of live baiting was
not limited to particular geographical areas.


This list of failings discovered by the Commission is surely breathtaking.

The Commission is of the view that the industry has lost the integrity-based trust of the community and other stakeholders. It could hardly be otherwise.
That is because the greyhound racing industry has been exposed as an industry that:

· has implicitly condoned as well as caused, the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of healthy greyhounds;
· has failed to demonstrate that in the future it will be able to reduce the deaths of healthy greyhounds to levels the community could tolerate;
· has engaged in the barbaric practice of live baiting;
· has caused and will continue to cause injuries to greyhounds that range from minor to catastrophic;
· has treated greyhounds as dispensable commercial commodities;
· has deceived the community concerning the extent of injuries and deaths caused during race meetings;
· has preferred the commercial interests of the industry to the animal welfare interests of greyhounds;
· has exported greyhounds to race in places such as Macau where animal welfare standards are very poor; and
· has ignored or failed to recognise that the industry has obligations to the community that go beyond its strictly legal obligations.


It would be surprising if these failings of the industry had not destroyed the community’s trust in the industry. Moreover, these failings have occurred in a context where greyhounds in NSW are now primarily, almost exclusively, bred for commercial purposes - to race for prize money and to create gambling opportunities. The reality is that, for many, perhaps most, of those who participate in the industry - whether as punters, breeders, owners or trainers, greyhounds are
commercial commodities, not animals to be cherished and loved.


The Commission accepts that many participants in the industry are animal lovers who care for their greyhounds. But especially for those whose interest in greyhounds is betting on their chance of winning races, the greyhound is simply a gambling instrument, no different from a card in a poker game or a handle on a poker machine.

The extent of wastage and live baiting suggests that the view of the greyhound as a commercial commodity is also widespread among breeders, owners and trainers. Greyhounds Australasia, the peak body of the industry, has said that in the industry profits have come before welfare.


This is why the Code has lost the battle with the general community!  Sad but true.  And probably preventable if the current participants had got their act together in the last decade or so. 

At least the horse codes have to opportunity to prevent falling into the same trap.  Social licence.  Always remember that entity.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 06:10 PM Reply #40 »
Just replace Greyhound with Thoroughbred  emthdown

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« 2016-Jul-08, 07:24 PM Reply #41 »
This is the recommendation which is causing the demise of the NSW industry

RECOMMENDATION 1
Given the findings of the Commission concerning the management and governance of the greyhound
racing industry, the Parliament of New South Wales should consider whether the industry has lost its
social licence and should no longer be permitted to operate in NSW.


One bit I struggle with is when all this started, the government sacked the Board and handed the power to the Office of Gaming & Racing, ie the government took over and appointed Paul Newson

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/nsw-government-sacks-greyhound-racing-board-and-ceo-over-live-baiting-2015-2

So now it's considered that the greyhounds can't show grounds for charge (regardless of the raft of changes that have gone on) Yet they haven't had any control for 18 months as the government have had their own man doing it.

Figure that out.  :shrug:


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« 2016-Jul-08, 07:34 PM Reply #42 »
The real estate is too valuable to this mob who's DNA says to sell everything off
Western Sydney hurled 3 of the driberals members out of government last weekend. The state members are next to go unless rabid Christian Baird wakes up to himself :rant:

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« 2016-Jul-08, 07:39 PM Reply #43 »
Troy Grant and the Nats will have some explaining to do.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 08:15 PM Reply #44 »
Mortdale and Napes if you watch Authorized's video, Peter V'landy's is aware of what might be coming



Racing Victoria cares about nothing but Racing Victoria.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 08:42 PM Reply #45 »
My email to my local member

Mr Perrottet.
I'm compelled to write to you in protest at your governments decision re the Greyhound industry. I am not involved in any way whatsoever with the industry but this decision is nothing short of a disgrace. Ill thought out and hypocritical to the highest degree.

Given that our electorate punted your fellow party member , Louise Markus, out of her federal seat last weekend, I suggest you have a good think about this moronic decision. WE won't hesitate to send you back to castle ill and the Hills electorate

The mere fact that you held this announcement back until after the federal election says enough about your credibility. Is this the sort of Christian values, wrapped in honesty and integrity, that Mr Baird puffs his chest out about?

Taking this rubbish decision on face value, if the same criteria were to be applied, with a basic shred of honesty, the domestic pet business would be shut down and citizens would be banned from owning pets. Many more domestic pets are destroyed by the likes of local pounds and RSPCA's than what occurs in the greyhound industry
What's next...the horse racing industry being closed down???

I doubt that, don't you?? Given the revenue the horse racing industry pumps into your governments coffers. Probably as much as the land sales or leasing income you'll derive from Wentworth Park and other valuable racetrack land.Your "sell off anything that isn't nailed" down approach is a kick in the teeth for anyone with a shred of Australian values
Is the next policy decision from the government  going to demand we all become vegetarians.? After all we slaughter way too many moo cows for our own eating pleasure

Reverse this stupid decision or you'll be consigned to the never never land like Louise Markus, who also did bugger all for our local community.
Given you're a former representative of the Hills electorate is it not time to now do something for the Hawkesbury? By the way, Do you now reside in our community? If you do, you would know only too well how many people in the Hawkesbury are involved, employed or love the greyhound industry

Here's your chance to prove yourself one of us Mr Perrottet.

John Howard is quoted on your website as saying “Dominic is a man of integrity. His enthusiasm for his community and his sound commitment to the values that have sustained our nation from the beginning is evident...”

Step up Mr Perrottet, step up and live up to that blurb but, sadly, I do recall Howard was the man who didn't hesitate to lie about mothers throwing their children overboard
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« 2016-Jul-08, 10:19 PM Reply #46 »
       Had a dabble in the greyhound industry with a couple of $500.00 dogs.
        Can't disagree with anything I have read in the report so far.
   
       The one thing I want to say is that for a 16 month old pup to have his future decided for failing to reach a certain standard at break in did not sit well with me. 
       My vet. once told me that dispensing of these young healthy dogs was the worst part of his job.

       The greyhound is a highly intelligent and compliant animal and it is a pity some people in the industry are not.

      In case anybody's wondering the dogs won 9 races from 55 starts, are 7 years old, reside in my backyard and we still go walking. 

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« 2016-Jul-08, 10:35 PM Reply #47 »
   
       The one thing I want to say is that for a 16 month old pup to have his future decided for failing to reach a certain standard at break in did not sit well with me. 
       My vet. once told me that dispensing of these young healthy dogs was the worst part of his job.


Isn't that the moral dilemma though? It's the same train that is roaring towards the horse racing industry.

The dogs had introduced new classes to cater for older dogs along with classes where it was graded from the bottom up to provide for the slower animal. Every meeting there is low class, restricted racing of 0 to 1 or 0 to 3 etc to cater for exactly that. Gees I won one last week and we'd picked out another for next week!

Doesn't seem to matter as the clues all point to a stitch up from the start.

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« 2016-Jul-08, 10:51 PM Reply #48 »
   There would be some degree of "moral dilemma" in all fields of animal husbandry so I'll leave that one for others.

   This industry has been let down by individuals who want to keep doing things the same way they have always done it.

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« 2016-Jul-09, 08:45 AM Reply #49 »
I have said here for years that whipping,wastage and industry dishonesty regarding these issues would have the slow burn public opinion treatment and severely challenge the ongoing 'social license'.
Very few here agreed.
The whole issue of the 'missing' thousands of thoroughbreds will finally come to the fore, surely.
And Joe Public will not like it.
As I have said many times before, one decent Four Corners and the industry is in the poo as well.
We are the minority.
The dirty little secret or purposeful ignorance regards ex racehorses fate is very very similar to the greyhound industry amnesia and or ignorance.


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