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« 2016-Oct-11, 02:43 PM Reply #450 »
Unless the govt re-negotiates the allocation percentage then the greyhounds will always be behind the 8 ball.
They should be getting 22% NOW !!!!!
but only receiving 10%.
While the rest goes to prop up the trots.

Nothing less than their fair share will do now this is the result to go forward.
It is now proven when under funded you can not be regulated properly.
And its not self regulated as they have been telling us.

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« 2016-Oct-11, 10:00 PM Reply #451 »
McHugh in his inquiry said it was difficult to ascertain how many people were involved with live baiting but could be up to 20%.
Somehow the percentage of wrongdoers became 5%.
Throughout the fight the wrongdoers became "a few bad eggs"
Listening to Geoff Rose of GBOTA on ABC radio suddenly the percentage was 0.1 of 1%.
 
           

Nemisis - 10 people were caught due to the 4 Corners tapes, 8 of those got off due to illegally obtained footage.

Regardless, in all the hours upon hours of footage they caught 10. Since 4 Corners not 1 person other than some twit who was caught in August but conveniently only released to the media today (he'd only held a licence since Jan this year  :chin: ) yes 1.

If there is 15k odd participants, you do the maths. 

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« 2016-Oct-12, 07:42 AM Reply #452 »
Nemisis - 10 people were caught due to the 4 Corners tapes, 8 of those got off due to illegally obtained footage.

Regardless, in all the hours upon hours of footage they caught 10. Since 4 Corners not 1 person other than some twit who was caught in August but conveniently only released to the media today (he'd only held a licence since Jan this year  :chin: ) yes 1.

If there is 15k odd participants, you do the maths.
McHugh's 20% was based on evidence from some fairly brave participants.
The other figures are based on not much.

Gintara, I'm always up for a good whodunnit but in  "The case of the missing wrongdoers" I am completely baffled

Many years ago as a fairly naive 20 year old I defended myself in court.
One of the earlier  cases involved a elderly fellow up on a speeding charge.
He stood before the judge and said "your honour I've been driving for 45 years and this is the first time I have ever driven over the limit"
The judge just looked at him and without any  sympathy said "you mean it's the first time you have been caught"




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« 2016-Oct-12, 05:25 PM Reply #453 »
McHugh's 20% was based on evidence from some fairly brave participants.
The other figures are based on not much.



Brave? Or selected on purpose? Some would say disgruntled?

Regardless it was nothing more than an untested guess to which it was based on, it just doesn't stack up to scrutiny.  :whistle:

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« 2016-Nov-12, 07:20 PM Reply #454 »
On the back of the greyhound ban the Nationals are about to lose the Orange bi-election.

A high profile campaign with the #putnatslast hashtag and visits from Alan Jones & Ray Hadley seems to have worked the magic.

Current swing against the Nats is in the mid to high 30s   :lol:

Looks like the Shooters & Fishers Party will claim the seat that the Nats have held for over 70 years.

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« 2017-Mar-26, 04:38 PM Reply #455 »
]Trainer who doped greyhounds with EPO has 12-year ban cut to 30 months
After prominent NSW greyhound trainer Melinda Finn was busted four times for doping her dogs with a potentially lethal performance-enhancing drug, she felt the full might of racing authorities last December, copping a 12-year disqualification from the sport.

But Fairfax Media can now reveal that, at a time when the industry is trying to demonstrate it has turned a corner in terms of animal cruelty and cheating, a Racing Appeals Tribunal not only upheld her appeal last month, it downgraded her penalty by almost a decade to two years and six months.
While Greyhound Racing NSW said on Friday it does not comment on appeal decisions, Fairfax Media is aware of "deep disappointment" within its ranks over the controversial ruling.

Mrs Finn is married to trainer John Finn, who was also banished from the sport in 2015 over a $73,000 debt to Greyhound Racing NSW, the majority of which was won by his dog Winsome Charlee which returned a positive urine sample after winning a semi-final of the 2013 "Golden Easter Egg".

In December last year, Mrs Finn earned the unenviable distinction of becoming the first person in the industry to be found guilty of injecting dogs with Recombinant Human Erythropoietin (EPO). The stimulant, which was the drug of choice for disgraced Tour de France cycling cheat Lance Armstrong, feeds increased oxygen to muscles by stimulating red blood cells. Cyclists have suffered fatal blood clots, thrombosis, strokes and heart attacks through its abuse. On four occasions at Sydney's Wentworth Park during 2015, Mrs Finn's greyhounds returned positive samples of the banned substance.

After her guilty plea, Mrs Finn was banned by Greyhound Racing NSW stewards for a total of 117 weeks for each charge. She was also hit with an additional 156 weeks disqualification due to cumulative aggravating factors.

However, while David Armati of the Racing Appeals Tribunal referred to the case as being a "most serious matter" and observed there is "no place for this drug in a greyhound", he said penalty guidelines indicated a three-year starting point was "appropriate".

The tribunal also accepted that the proceedings had a "profound effect" on Mrs Finn.

"That profound effect can give greater levels of comfort that repetition will not take place," Mr Armati said." SMH March 26 2017[/i][/color]

Unbelievable!
Industry can't rid itself of crooks.

Meanwhile back at the ranch the winners keep coming.

 At least Lance Armstrong has told the world about micro-dosing.
 Minnie can't have been listening.

GRNSW not happy .
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« 2017-Mar-26, 09:03 PM Reply #456 »
]Trainer who doped greyhounds with EPO has 12-year ban cut to 30 months


Mrs Finn is married to trainer John Finn, who was also banished from the sport in 2015 over a $73,000 debt to Greyhound Racing NSW, the majority of which was won by his dog Winsome Charlee which returned a positive urine sample after winning a semi-final of the 2013 "Golden Easter Egg".



Setting aside it's a strange decision at the time they are trying to set a better example.

The highlighted passage makes no sense  :chin: The dollar figure doesn't fit  :shrug:

Doesn't surprise me with Fairfax though, it's hardly journalism  :shutup: there's a rubbish story today that is poorly researched and written by someone who has zero idea of racing, gambling etc 

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« 2017-Mar-27, 01:29 AM Reply #457 »
I thought when I first read it the highlighted part left some unanswered questions.

You don't earn $73,000 winning a semi-final. Did the Finns owe some more money as a result of disqualifications?

Fairfax has about as much credibility as the ABC and Mike Baird when it comes to the greyhound industry.

The people have quite clearly spoken about what they think of the demonization of the greyhound industry based on the actions of a few.

There seems to be a modern trend in the left leaning media where they seem to think they know better than everyone else and don't accept the will of the people - Trump and Brexit being two classic examples.

In fact it is a disturbing trend that is worrying.  Started off with Baird saying "ban all greyhounds".

But there is a new worrying philosophy that transcends greyhounds.

Tanya Plibersek is genuinely considered a candidate for future PM.  There she was at last year's ALP National Conference basically saying "my views on same sex marriage are the correct views. Everyone should be forced to vote the same as me". Thankfully that motion was defeated, but nowhere near unanimously.

It is the same attitude of these media outlets toward greyhound racing. They "know" they are right and want the politicians to do what they tell them to do.

If there is a bit of bullshit in the media along the way, well that is justified in their eyes. And the same people parse sentences and misrepresent things the "opposition" says to the nth degree at the same time.

I worry bout my kid's future sometimes  :no:

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« 2017-Mar-27, 06:43 AM Reply #458 »
John Finn Declared A Defaulter
01/07/2015
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Greyhound Racing NSW (GRNSW) stewards have enacted Local Rule 64A (4) and (6) and declared licensed trainer John Finn as a defaulter due to the non-payment of a $72,950 debt owed to GRNSW.

Of this amount, $68,500 relates to the failure to return prizemoney that was paid to Mr Finn.

The prizemoney was earned by the greyhound Winsome Charlee after that greyhound returned a positive urine sample following her win in a 2013 Golden Easter Egg Semi Final, and was retrospectively disqualified from its second placing in the Golden Easter Egg Final. This decision was recently confirmed on appeal by the Racing Appeals Tribunal.

The remainder of the debt comprises of associated inquiry expenses.

Under Rule 99 of the Greyhound Racing Rules, a person who is declared to be a defaulter shall not nominate a greyhound for any event or train a greyhound.

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« 2017-Mar-27, 04:16 PM Reply #459 »
You are shooting the messenger a bit here fellows.

There is only a small window of opportunity to detect EPO in urine.
This is a serious matter and anyone caught out this way shows just the contempt they have for the rules and the welfare of the animal.

 Talk about punishment fitting the crime.

 Poor J Mac.

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« 2017-Mar-27, 04:39 PM Reply #460 »
That obviously makes far more sense Nemisis   emthup

As an aside, it must have been cleaned up as up until recently John Finn was still training.  :chin:

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« 2017-Mar-27, 04:42 PM Reply #461 »
This was the article from yesterday, why then to drag up such old news  :confused1:

A favorite gets beat and somehow it's a 'fix' Did anyone stop to think it happens? Obviously the winner was heavily backed  :no: as it started at $19.00

Investigation into Canberra greyhound race draws in industry heavyweights
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The ACT Gaming and Racing Commission is investigating possible race fixing in a case that involves some of the biggest names in greyhound racing and has left industry bodies in two states at loggerheads, after a rank outsider won a race in which he was not allowed to compete.

It has also emerged that Greyhounds NSW has been aware of race-fixing cartels for years and has gone to considerable lengths to stymie such activity, but will not confirm whether any matter has been referred to the police.




These latest revelations come after former premier Mike Baird's spectacular backflip on banning greyhound racing in NSW, following a massive community campaign against it.

Greysynd Ace, who started at fixed odds of 19/1 in the Canberra race on October 9, 2016, surprised punters by springing from the boxes and increasing his lead to eight lengths by the time he crossed the finish line. The race caller remarked: "The exotics [combination bets] are going to be huge."

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It was only after the prize money had been distributed and dividends paid that it was revealed the dog had been given a stand down order in Richmond four days previously and was not supposed to race.

A day later the dog was disqualified and the prize money returned, but it was too late to for those who had gambled on the race, which rewarded those lucky enough to pick the outsider with a trifecta that paid $1077.50 and the quinella $113.10.
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Greysynd Ace, trained by Wayne White, was swabbed and came back clear for drugs.

Former greyhound industry veterinarian Greg Bryant said the odds were exceptional considering there were only six starters.

Underperforming favourite Empress Lu was trained by Jodie Lord who, with husband Andy Lord, counts as racing royalty in the greyhound industry, with a 250-dog kennel near Gunning and regular runners at Wentworth Park.

Ms Lord has been disqualified three times for drug-affected dogs.

Empress Lu was not swabbed and stewards raised no concerns about her performance.

"Greysynd Ace never looked like losing even though he was very much the betting roughie," Dr Bryant said.

"One of the questions that needs to be answered is why Empress Lu wasn't swabbed after such a poor performance and being the short-priced favourite.

"Dogs tend to perform fairly consistently as far as times over a set distance at the same track in races, unless there is a collision.

"When it comes to doping, it is easier to slow dogs down than to speed them up, with the advantage that you are less likely to be swabbed."

The ACT Racing and Gaming Commission confirmed it was investigating the race, following concerns raised by the ACT Minister for Regulatory Services, Gordon Ramsay. The NSW State Crime Command organised crime squad also reviewed the matter but said it was referred to GRNSW.

Andy Lord said he could not even remember the race. His solicitor Vince Murphy said he had not been notified of any investigation.

"An outsider has won, which happens every day of the week, and a favourite got beaten, which happens every day in Australia," Mr Murphy said.

"There's all sorts of reasons favourites can run poorly ... That inquiry is going nowhere."

 This month Mr Lord refused to sign off on swabs taken on his greyhounds, citing legal advice that a new policy requiring dogs to be given water in the kennels raised the possibility of contamination.

Mr Murphy said there was no rule requiring trainers to sign off on swabs – although the vast majority had done so before GRNSW introduced its water policy.

"That water is not in a controlled environment and it's open to contamination, which means that trainers could get positive swabs," Mr Murphy said.

"The dogs are out of their custody for several hours where [the water] is exposed to environmental contamination, if not deliberate by some crook."

Greyhound activist Gabrielle Openshaw, who discovered the alleged irregularities in the Canberra event while reviewing racing footage, said it was suspicious that no officials in NSW or the ACT had taken steps to prevent Greysynd Ace from racing while under a stand down order.

"To make matters worse, the dog won by a long way and at high odds, and wasn't disqualified for at least a day," Ms Openshaw said.

"Instead of publicly disclosing what has happened, the dog was quietly disqualified from the Canberra race at some later date and GRNSW appears to have covered the alleged errors by amending the Richmond stewards' report."

Greysynd Ace was given an incapacitation certificate in Richmond because his weight varied by more than one kilogram from his previous start.

The usual process is for stewards to enter this information into the official report and the electronic Ozchase database, and record it on the greyhound's race card presented before each race.

A Greyhounds NSW spokesman said the Richmond stewards entered the incapacitation into Ozchase at 4.35pm on October 5, and into their own reports as soon as they became aware of the omission on October 10, the day after the Canberra race.

"It is a matter for the Canberra Greyhound Racing Club to respond to whether they ran an exception report prior to October 9, 2016, which would have identified the incapacitation, or whether the on-course steward inspected the weight card prior to the race meeting as they are required to do so," the spokesman said.

Canberra Greyhound Racing Club said it was conducting its own investigations and declined to comment.

However, Canberra steward Patrick Day told Ms Openshaw in an email that the Richmond stewards had not entered the incapacitation period into Ozchase.

Greysynd Ace trainer Wayne White was unavailable. Owner Warren Owen declined to comment.

RACE-FIXING CARTELS

Greyhounds NSW has been aware of race-fixing cartels for years.

Submissions closed last week on proposed changes to its grading policy that will make it more difficult for greyhounds to circumvent performance trials and advantage well connected punters.

The acting chairman of stewards recommended the change in 2015, explaining in a memo to the general manager of compliance that cartels had changed their modus operandi after a number of trainers were disqualified for presenting dogs affected by ethanol.

One disqualified trainer was now suspected of operating a "sizeable team" of greyhounds under the official name of a professional punter, the chairman said.

"Previously [the trainer's] MO was to impede the performance of his greyhounds with the administration of alcohol, however this methodology has now changed whereby it would appear they are nominating partially educated greyhounds with little racing nous, taking them to non-TAB venues or … Queensland in a deliberate ploy to circumvent Performance Trial agenda."

The document was contained in the papers released after the special inquiry into greyhound racing.

GRNSW declined to answer whether it had reported such activity to the police. It said in a statement: "GRNSW regularly refer matters to external stakeholders such as the NSW Police and the RSPCA. We do not comment on specific investigations."

Internal documents also show a steward analysed 10 suspicious races for the GRNSW board in 2012, where two or three punters collected large winnings on races where the favourite performed below expectations.

They included a race in which one better collected $29,054 on an outlay of $4525, though he did not include the favourite – who ran last by 17 lengths – in any combination of bets.

The steward believed that in some of the races the dogs had been administered alcohol to hinder their chances, and encouraged evidence of such activity to be brought before an inquiry.

"If we were to show the replay of the dog which stumbled its way to the first turn at the Gardens, then totally incoherent attempted to jump the rail, only to be sliced open by the lure cable, it would have to gall the judge as it did with anyone else who witnessed this disgusting act."

He was referring to Sweet Fenoir, whose 2010 race under the tutelage of John Vanderburg became infamous in greyhound circles though it was never proved to be fixed.

Stewards requested that she be swabbed after her wayward performance, but the club veterinarian gave her a local anaesthetic and stitched her lacerations before this could occur.

The race winner, Very Expensive, was swabbed and came back clear, but another dog run by its trainer Matthew Moncrieff tested positive to the "stopper" Timolol in a separate race at the same meet.

Mr Moncrieff was disqualified for six months and fined $1000, reduced to a period of three months disqualification on appeal, with the Racing Appeals Review Tribunal of NSW finding there were "no other circumstances suggesting that he benefited" from his dog running below expectations.

But suspicions lingered and in 2012 GRNSW took the unprecedented step of impounding three Moncrieff dogs and two belonging to another Vanderburg – Wayne – to check their resting levels of ethanol after they performed below expectation at The Gardens in Woy Woy.

The upper limit for ethanol metabolites in greyhounds is 20 micrograms per millilitre. One of Mr Moncrieff's impounded dogs showed a post-race reading of 1119ug/ml of ethanol glucuronide in its post-race sample.

Wayne Vanderburg was disqualified for seven years, later reduced to two years and three months on appeal, though he has not been re-licensed.

A transcript of the Moncrieff inquiry tendered under the call for papers shows that he originally attempted to barter with Greyhound Racing NSW when confronted with evidence that his dogs had raced with high levels of ethanol: if they offered a penalty he could handle, he would agree to plead guilty.

"If you want to put something on the table to suit me … I can walk out of here and we can save a  lot of paperwork and crap," he told the inquiry.

"It's either a deal now or this is going to take months... If it goes past today, I'm going to go the whole way – appeals, inquiry after inquiry after inquiry."

But the deal fell at the first stumbling block when the chairman insisted on presenting the elements of the charge before accepting a plea or determining a penalty.

"What a joke," Mr Moncrieff said. "I'm trying to make your life easier. But anyway, do the whole hog. Just remember when you get them barrage of emails, I offered to put it on the table."

He was true to his word. The final appeal was not finalised until last year.

The registered owner of a dog who tested positive for Timelol was Brad Canty, who was named in a 2013 Northern Territory Racing Commission inquiry into a dispute between the bookmaker bet365 and punter Steven Brunker.

The inquiry heard that Mr Canty may have been using Mr Brunker to act as a "bowler" to place the bets for him, since bet365 had closed his own account a few days earlier because it was deemed "uneconomical".

This had enraged Mr Canty, who had threatened to inform the NT government and media that bet365 was in the habit of closing accounts deemed uneconomical, and warned an operator that he would "continue jamming" the bookmaker until his account was reopened.

Asked what "jamming" meant, he replied: "You will get new accounts, you will get raped immediately."

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« 2017-Mar-28, 01:48 PM Reply #462 »
The hand wringers will be in a tizz today -

http://www.racing.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/forms-factsheets-and-guidelines/Response-to-greyhound-reform-panel.pdf


Paul Toole
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Minister for Racing
Tuesday, 28 March 2017

RESPONSE TO GREYHOUND REFORM PANEL

The NSW Government today announced significant changes to greyhound racing that will hold the industry to the highest possible standards of animal welfare.
The Government will adopt all but one of the 122 recommendations of the Greyhound Industry Reform Panel, Minister for Racing Paul Toole said.
Legislation to repeal the greyhound ban and implement the reforms will be introduced into Parliament today.

“These reforms are focused on stronger penalties and lifetime bans for those who do the wrong thing, while developing a sustainable and ethical industry,” Mr Toole said.The Government will implement the recommended new industry structure, with separate commercial and regulatory functions, by establishing an independent Greyhound Welfare and Integrity Commission.

The Panel’s other key recommendations to be implemented include:
An enforceable code of practice for greyhound welfare;
 CCTV cameras at all public and certain private tracks;
Whole of-life registration and tracking of greyhounds;
Tougher penalties for animal welfare abuses, including for live baiting;
 An accreditation scheme for industry participants; and
 Strict controls on euthanasia.

The NSW Government will invest $41 million over the next five years to implement the recommendations. Of this, $11 million will go towards the establishment of the integrity commission.
As part of the $41 million package, the safety of greyhound tracks will be improved with $30 million to improve animal welfare standards that lower the risk of injury. A statutory review of the new legislation will take place after three years.

Mr Toole said the reforms give the greyhound industry very clear direction about the standards expected from now on. “The Government is absolutely committed to a sustainable future for the greyhound industry and these reforms will help ensure confidence and integrity is restored,” Mr Toole said.

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« 2017-May-19, 08:19 PM Reply #463 »
Greyhound trainer admits starvation death
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A Sydney greyhound trainer has been convicted of animal cruelty and fined $1400 after his emaciated dog called Milkshake died from starvation and kidney failure last year.

Didier Dupuche on Thursday pleaded guilty in the Parramatta Local Court to committing an act of aggravated animal cruelty and failing to provide veterinary treatment for Milkshake.

In June 2016, Dupuche contacted a Quakers Hill vet clinic saying his dog was dying and he wanted it euthanised, but when he arrived Milkshake was dead in the back seat of his car, the RSPCA said in a statement on Friday.

A post-mortem examination revealed Milkshake had been suffering from advanced kidney disease, dental disease that was making her jaw unstable and deep pressure wounds.

It found she was denied veterinary care for several weeks before her avoidable death.

The court ordered Dupuche not own or look after any animal for five years except a dog called Squiggles who is already in his care and can't be rehomed.

Squiggles has to be examined by a vet in the next month and then annually.

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Just another one you say? Well nowhere can you find that this bloke is or was a greyhound trainer, he's not listed as ever training a dog.  emthdown

Just because the dog might have been a greyhound, doesn't automatically make them a greyhound trainer FFS  :rant:

btw - I just checked by searching myself, the last dog I trained was over 10 years ago yet my name still came up against the dog.

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« 2017-May-20, 06:26 AM Reply #464 »

The Government will adopt all but one of the 122 recommendations of the Greyhound Industry Reform Panel, Minister for Racing Paul Toole said.


Well someone has got to ask - what was the one recommendation out of 122 that they didn't adopt  :what:

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« 2017-May-20, 08:07 AM Reply #465 »
Performance based pay for the Minister??

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« 2017-May-20, 11:01 PM Reply #466 »
I think it was changing the inter code agreement.

Sunliner would be better to answer.

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« 2017-Jul-12, 05:55 PM Reply #467 »
Interesting article posted on line via https://australianracinggreyhound.com/australian-greyhound-racing/greyhound-racing-could-outmanoeuvre-horse-racing/88565/


Greyhound racing could outmanoeuvre horse racing
Wednesday 12th July 2017 3:36 pm.
Duncan Stearn

Greyhound racing is facing threats from a number of different directions, but if more young people don’t get involved the sport could falter.

Punters are the grease of the financial wheels of the three racing codes.

In January 2016, at the height of the furore over live baiting, the Roy Morgan Research Company released some intriguing and ultimately potentially very positive findings with regard to greyhound racing in Australia.

The company stated, ‘…600,000 Australian adults bet on at least one [greyhound race] during the year – and, despite scandals and controversy, this average doggie bettor is around eight years younger than the average horse race punter…’

Roy Morgan Research stated the average age of a gambler on thoroughbreds is 49, whereas the average age of the 3.2 percent of Australian adults who bet on greyhound races was not quite 41, ‘…younger than the average Facebook website visitor…’.

A graph showing the age profiles of greyhound and horse racing bettors revealed only 25.6 percent of greyhound bettors were aged 50+ compared to 46.5 percent of horse racing bettors.

In the 18 to 34-year-old bracket the figures were essentially reversed, showing just 24.7 percent bet on horses compared to 45.1 percent punting on greyhounds.

Greyhound racing still lags behind in simple numbers: 600,000 betting on greyhounds while 3.3 million bet on the horses. This compares to 1.2 million Australians who play poker machines at least weekly.

One of the major plusses for greyhound racing is its relative ease with regard to studying the form. Unlike horse and harness racing where the actions of a jockey or driver can either intentionally or accidentally cause an animal to lose a race, greyhounds run naturally, some, of course, a lot better than others, and a lot quicker. The favourite in a greyhound race doesn’t have the faintest idea it’s the favourite.


In horse racing you have to work out the variables between the track going, the distance of the race, the jockey, the trainer, the number of starters, whether the rail is in or out, track bias, recent form, historic form, weight to be carried, the barrier and any one of a dozen or more other factors.

In a greyhound race, recent form, ability to handle the distance, the box draw and early speed are the key factors as well as times. It’s a lot less complicated for the average punter than the horses, and this may explain part of its allure to the 18 to 34-year-old demographic.

I have little doubt the various Greyhound Adoption Programs have had a long-term positive impact on how the greyhound is perceived, especially among the younger generation. It would also seem to have helped in terms of encouraging younger people to learn more about the racing side and has probably aided in increasing gambling turnover.

Arguably, the reason the Four Corners live-baiting scandal did not adversely impact greyhound racing betting in the younger demographic was simply because these people understood the scandal for what is was: a small cohort of those directly involved in the industry and not reflective of the vast majority of participants.

It is surely incumbent on those tasked with promoting greyhound racing and nurturing it towards its 100th anniversary in 2027 that they seek to build on the generally positive feelings felt for greyhound racing in the under-34-year-old demographic who like to have a punt.

Greyhound racing should be promoted as the absolute best of all punting worlds. Educating the younger demographic to be better gamblers by showing them how much easier it is to pick the winner of a greyhound race compared to a horse race, and how much more profitable it can be in terms of price ranges compared to the average sporting event are just two aspects that should be highlighted.

Of course, making sure people understand that as a racing punter you will have more losing bets than winning bets; you will probably have more losing meetings than winning ones; yet, if you are consistent and sensible in your approach to studying the form and, more importantly, sensible in managing your punting bankroll you can win, or at least have a lot of enjoyment, at the punt.

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« 2017-Jul-12, 11:46 PM Reply #468 »


.......... young people............ ..filling in time in pubs and clubs in the post-work evening ...... betting on omen names and numbers .......... is not the basis of a useful industry.

The former premier,  would have the support of most

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« 2017-Jul-13, 12:40 AM Reply #469 »
Could you imagine Monty tipping Greyhounds............................LOL

The only thing he wouldn't be tipping would be his hat.

  :lol:  :bye:  :lol:


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« 2017-Jul-15, 05:48 PM Reply #470 »

The former premier,  would have the support of most

  :lol:  How'd that go for him in Orange?

You live in a delusional world Peter.

You have a % who enjoy the sport, you have a % who know right from wrong and saw through the rubbish report from the premier & you have a very small vocal % against the sport.

The vast majority sit in the middle not giving a tinkers cuss but thankfully those who do & those who know right from wrong far outweigh the vocal minority.

What makes you believe your opinion counts higher than anyone elses? The simple fact is it doesn't.
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« 2017-Jul-15, 05:52 PM Reply #471 »
A bit like this bloke eh Peter? Lies, lies and more lies  :mad:


ACT minister referred to police as fight over greyhound racing gets dirtier
Fri at 4:57pm


Shane Rattenbury has hinted he was aware of abuse in the greyhound industry. ABC News: Andrew Kennedy

Police have confirmed they are investigating a complaint against ACT Greens leader Shane Rattenbury, after the local greyhound industry referred him to authorities, claiming he failed to disclose allegations of misconduct within the industry.

The latest escalation in the bitter fight to stop greyhound racing being banned in Canberra came after Mr Rattenbury, who is also a minister in the ACT Government, hinted he was aware of abuse within the local greyhound industry during a radio interview on station 2CC.

When Mr Rattenbury was challenged by host Chris Coleman to detail the allegations, he declined, saying he did not have specific dates.

    Rattenbury: "When it comes to the record of the greyhound industry in the ACT we have had reports of abuse here in the ACT and I think we've seen..."

    Coleman: "When Shane, when? When were these reports, when were they confirmed? Because I can't find them, the greyhound club can't find them ... where are these confirmed reports?"

    Rattenbury: "I've had them put to me Chris and I haven't actually got the dates on me at the moment ... I'm happy to check up and follow that up with you later on."

Hoping to catch Mr Rattenbury out, the Canberra Greyhound Racing Club (CGRC) referred him to police, arguing if his claims were true he had "failed in his legal and moral responsibility" to pass the information on to police and the club.

"If Rattenbury has information, it is desperately concerning that at a time of the greatest scrutiny and pressure on the industry, he has chosen to withhold it," the CGRC said in a statement.

"Revelations of even a single incident would have greatly damaged the industry he says he wishes to shut down."

However, Mr Rattenbury said the Greyhound industry in Canberra was heavily influenced by NSW.

"That these advocates would try to suggest that there aren't serious concerns associated with this exploitative industry is at best naive, at worst outright deceptive," he said.

    "It's a shame that the Canberra Greyhound Racing Club has consistently chosen to focus on criticising the Greens and others rather than address the real issues at hand."

Police confirmed they had received a complaint through Crime Stoppers and were evaluating whether Mr Rattenbury had a case to answer.

To back up his claims, Mr Rattenbury pointed to an inquiry headed by Mary Durkin.

"The publicly available Durkin report outlines a range of concerning outcomes in relation to the greyhound industry the ACT," he said.

"We believe that the ACT greyhound racing industry is not immune to the numerous problems plaguing greyhound racing industries in other states and territories."

The ACT Government announced last month that greyhound racing would be banned in the territory from July 1, 2018.




The guy has been caught out lying through his teeth, this is the sort of rubbish you have to put up with  emthdown The Green spin doctors have been in a whirl trying to back away and deflect his comments  :mad:

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Canberra Greyhound Racing Club refers Shane Rattenbury to police over radio comments
Katie Burgess


The Canberra Greyhound Racing Club has warned Greens MLA Shane Rattenbury to put up or shut up, after Mr Rattenbury told a radio station he'd seen reports of cruelty within the ACT industry.

The club says it has reported Mr Rattenbury to ACT Policing for failing to pass on information he claimed to have about allegations of cruelty within the ACT greyhound racing industry on 2CC on Thursday afternoon.


Radio announcer Chris Coleman pressed Mr Rattenbury about why he was "more gung-ho" on greyhound owners than outlaw motorcycle gangs.

"Shutting down greyhound racing when there hasn't been in at least 25 years a proven case of cruelty by any greyhound trainer or owner or breeder in the ACT, so you're going after them, some people perceive that as a soft target while the harder target of the bikie gangs aren't getting sorted out," Mr Coleman said.


Mr Rattenbury said, "Well, you know, when it comes to the record of the greyhound industry in the ACT we have had reports of issues here in the ACT and I think we've seen..."

Mr Coleman: "When Shane when? When were these reports? When were they confirmed because I can't find them, the greyhound club can't find them, Mary Durkin can't find them. Where are these confirmed reports?"


Mr Rattenbury: "I've had them put to me Chris and I haven't actually got the dates on me at the moment, but I'm happy to check up and follow that up with you later on."

That exchange prompted the club to refer his comments to police, for allegedly "failing" in his "legal and moral responsibility" to pass information onto authorities, including the RSPCA, ACT Policing, the club or the ACT Gambling and Racing Commission.

In a statement, the club said if the police and the commission found he had "lied", it would sue him for defamation.

An ACT Policing spokeswoman confirmed they had received the club's report via the Crime Stoppers website and police were evaluating it.

But Mr Rattenbury said the club's attempts to "suggest that there aren't serious concerns associated with this exploitative industry is at best, naive - at worst, outright deceptive."

He pointed to the findings of the McHugh and Durkin reports as proof of problems within the industry, as well as records of seven trainers linked to live baiting who've raced in Canberra and historical evidence of the use of banned substances in greyhound racing in the ACT.

Mr Rattenbury said all reports regarding animal welfare issues had been handed to the relevant minister or the commission for further investigation.

The club has previously flagged plans to fight in court an ACT government ban on the sport in Canberra from June 2018.

Lawyers for the club will claim that by funnelling money for the greyhound industry into an assistance fund for people forced to leave, the government would deny it 'just terms' for funding it used to receive from ACTTAB before the agency's 2014 sale to Tabcorp.

Transitioning away from greyhound racing was a key plank in ACT Labor's parliamentary agreement with the Greens, who hold the balance of power in the ACT Legislative Assembly.

However Chief Minister Andrew Barr said there was no future for the industry in the ACT as far back as July last year.


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