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Offline arakaan

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O.P. « 2008-Dec-09, 08:22 PM »
Current List of Horses.



Byalongneck  -  
Geoffkel  - Spoilthepartyarti(VIC)
Genghis  - Edds Wild Cash(QLD), The Gold Rush(QLD)
LooksLikeDenzel -  Our Aythreeeighty(VIC), Outpunch Enchanter(VIC)
Luck  - Go Ahead Makemyday(VIC)
DragonLady - Steady Arden(VIC)
TheBigDog -  Passion n Glory(QLD)
Livingonfire - Dutch Harbour(VIC) - injured, Ronald George(VIC), Genuflect(VIC)
Hazo - After The Reckoning(SA)
Fifteen15 -  Molly Pitcher (SA), Sapphire Lil (VIC)
« Last Edit: 2011-Sep-30, 05:16 PM by arakaan »

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« 2008-Dec-10, 07:38 AM Reply #1 »
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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/5/2006 9:30 AM
Just an update on my filly Denzel.
Had her first trial a couple of weeks and ran a nice 3rd out of 6 runners.  Didn't in any way push her along, just wanted her to begin from the mobile and run in behind to give her some experience being in a field.
Ran home nice without letting her go at all (not even pulled the earplugs).
However the stupid bitch of a thing threw herself down in the float on the way home and is a little sore.  Just jogged her for a few days to get the soreness out of her (which it is now) and now will qualify her on Sunday hopefully.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/5/2006 11:27 AM
Geo...
You must have a good eye for a young horse as I think it was over 12 months ago you first said you were keen on the prospects of this filly....
Good luck with qualifying her and you  will have to let us know her racename ...(Although if you are thinking she will win 1st up maybe keep it to yourself).......

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/5/2006 12:22 PM
denzel,
I don't mind giving out her name.  It is Zucchini.  A filly by Armbro Operative out of Pumpkin (No I did not name her).
I don't know if I will race her much as a 2yo, might qualify her and race her once or twice and give her a break.  She has been in around 4 months this time in.  She will turn into a nice 3yo hopefully.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/6/2006 7:57 PM
Geo...
The filly is well named....Nothing better when owners actually put some thought into the naming of a horse......
Just wondering if you have always been an Armbro Operative fan??? Is she a bit big athletic type?

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/6/2006 8:36 PM
denzel,
yep that was my horse, which my share is now less than it used to be. It was an easy 3ro race so not so good, but he did actually try this time and hopefully things will improve as he gets fitter.  Hopefully will be running Friday 14th
Geo, don't worry about the throwing themselves down in the float, they get better the more practice they have.
Denzel if you get another chance for a good horse like you have let me know, because my involvement soon will be a small interest and nothing to do with joggin and training them

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/6/2006 8:55 PM
I have always liked Armbro Operatives, she is not real big though, although is athletic.  She still has some growing to do so won't be doing a heap with her this time in.
If she qualifies nicely on Sunday I will take her either to Echuca the sunday after or Bendigo on the Tuesday.
Then I will take her down to Geelong to run in a heat of the Breeders Crown.  After that she can might be ready to go out for a bit.
I might be ready to, the bloody mornings down here in Bendigo are freezing.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/6/2006 9:08 PM
Geo, how is geoff, is he still training her?  the mornings everywhere are fresh.
Denzel, I have changed my mind, I will take your horse to jog, he looks a nice type for SA (better to get prize money in SA and cheaper fees than higher fees and hope they win)
Anyway mate good luck with him.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/6/2006 9:15 PM
Yeah Geoff is good so he says
I really don't mind exposing myself!!

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/6/2006 9:21 PM
denzel,
I have just looked up your horses form, when is he running next?  The 1.57.8 must have given you a great thrill.. obviously along with the derby start.  When they get near 4yo they all start to even out.
What did Ryan Ryhorec say about him, because he has driven Ciao for Now.  Like I said if you want to have him over where the racing is supposed to be easier, let me know

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/6/2006 9:30 PM
Geo, what do you mean by exposing yourself?? hope you do not mean early in the morning when it is freezing, because your manlyhood will be to test lol.
For those who did not know, Geoff lost a son in a car accident I think around 2 years ago now, just up from his property.  I hear from others that is why he left SA because he could not handle going past the same spot everyday.
As a parent, that would get too you.I think those who tell me this should just let it go and let him handle it in his own way.
Geo, obviously don't bring it up with him, but just thought you may like to know in case you get foot and mouth one day.  By the way I am not revealling a family secret, it was common knowledge and in the local papers, because of the bad intersection it happened at.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/7/2006 12:11 AM
Longneck....
We all know how one minute you can be up and the next down as an owner....
Since the derby run he has only had 4 starts for 2 wins but we have since found out he has a fetlock that hasn't grown properly and this along with other injuries (From trying to take weight of the joint) has restricted him from getting anywhere near his best since the derby....He has become a race to race proposition and doubt he can ever reach his potential with a limited racing life he has left....
 
We have only found this out in the last month so his 2 wins were better than looked as he has been in pain.......He hopefully will run in next  few weeks which will show us  where we are at with him.....
 
The 1.57.8 was his best run at only his 5th start as he went round to the breeze and sat outside Lombo Alliance (Who won sires heat and Metro meeting at MV).....
 
I went across for St Leger (beaten SHH) and SA Derby and met Ryan for first time....I am not sure your view on him but he appeared to have a very level head and must be one of the best young drivers in SA......
 
Geo...
I spent a year in bendigo at HRTC in early 90's and can certainly sympathise with the cold frosty mornings........

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/7/2006 9:08 AM
Longneck,
Yeah I did hear about that accident.  Worst thing that can happen to a family.  My brother drowned when he was 2 whilst in the care of my grandparents (Mum and Dad were at work).  I was only 1 so I do not remember, but you look back to realise how great it would be to have a brother here today.  Must have been so hard on parents and grandparents, I can't begin to understand.  The good thing is there was no blame pushed onto my grandparents, I think that would have made it impossible to cope with.
Always treasure your time with your family.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/7/2006 9:20 AM
Denzel,
How did you find the school.  I was working at Michael Langdon's in the mid 90's and we took a couple of school kids on for their work placements, they seemed not too bad, very confident (sometimes too confident).  That soon changed when we sent them down the track jogging one and leading one off both sides. 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/7/2006 10:28 AM
Geo,
sorry to hear that. Brings the incident with the two twins that drowned here recently in a rain water tank, terrible thing.
Denzel,
that's rotten luck, it is always the good ones that get injured.  You can have a horse that can't run out of sight on a dark night and they will always be 100% sound.  Get a good one and hold your breath because they will break down at some stage.
Good luck, hope he can get a few more wins.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/7/2006 12:07 PM
Geo...
Sorry to hear about your brother and i feel for your grandparents as well as your parents as that is a very sad burdon they would have to carry with them for life...Very commendable to your parents and family as to often complete accidents happen and humans feel someone must be to blame.....
 
The great thing about the school is you get to work for the best in the industry (eg.. I worked with Gavin Lang, Bruce Morgan, Pockocks and Co) so you get taught the right way...I am sure in the gallops scheme you don't go straight to freedmans and Bart's to learn.....Unlike myself, plenty of good ones came through my year including D.Douglas....Yes ..I would love to lie but he clearly had my measure back then...
 
Longneck....
Thanks....Yes..The better ones get injured as they either go much quicker and therefore put more stress on joints/tendons or can push through the pain and you then don't find problems until it's to late.... I have my figers crossed, thats for sure..


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« 2008-Dec-10, 07:39 AM Reply #2 »
 
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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/10/2006 1:50 PM
Zucchini had her qualifying trial on Sunday at Bendigo but didn't really go to plan, galloped in score up and didn't get into her position.  Started just behind second row horses.
Got squeezed up on first turn and galloped again and was tailed off. 
Another go this week.  She paced nicely once she got going.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/12/2006 8:44 PM
Geo...
How did she pull up after galloping a few times???
 
We had an Armbro Operative colt out of a sister to Anvil Vance that we bought at APG sales last year.....Was never going to go as a 2 yo but was a very nice looking athletic type.....Bugger decided to take on an electric fence and of course came off second best with 2 tendons sliced in half.....Very disappointing but already have learnt in this game to never count any chickens before they hatch....
 
Good luck with ya filly....let us know about this weeks trial..... 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/13/2006 12:02 PM
She pulled up fine.
I fast worked her yesterday with a couple of other 3yo's and she blew them away (don't think the 3yo's are much chop though).  Paced like a dream, bitch of a thing.
I am putting plugs in her this week and do some mobile practice before the trials start, may have to use shorteners on her as well, I will see how she goes in practice.
Will keep you updated.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/24/2006 10:36 AM
Well denzel we qualified last week.  She did everything ok.  Still ran last of 5 runners but was making up good ground at the finish and the leaders ran home in 28.7 on a wet track, later realised that Real Impact won the trial.
She is having her first start tonight at Kilmore in a 2yo Restricted.  Last race No1.  Don't know if that will suit her or not as have not really pushed her out of the mobile as yet, but we will see tonight I suppose.
She is maybe an each way chance if she does everything correct.
Bloody last at Kilmore though at 10.02pm talk about cold!!!

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/24/2006 1:35 PM
Will watch on Sky for sure Geo....
Best of luck....Nice little barrier 1st up if she can muster early and get a forward position.......

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/25/2006 10:13 AM
As I thought may be the case she did not have the confidence to run out of the gate and she drifted to the back end of the field at the start.  They then went slow in the middle stages of the race which helped the front runners.
She sprinted home very nicely though the last quarter and managed to run 4th so I was very happy with the run, certainly something to work on.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/25/2006 3:41 PM

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From: Battler Sent: 7/25/2006 9:13 PM
Geez I would have been very happy with that run, she looked a bit shaky on the last turn but finished off nicely. Good luck

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/27/2006 8:56 PM
Great stuff Geo, I thought I looked her up and Geoff is not training her??? or was I drinking that night?
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/28/2006 12:02 PM
Nah I am training her myself.  When I bought her they could not get her going as a yearling/early 2yo.  I bought her at the right price back then as she looked like a nice horse just a little on the small side (which her mother was as well).  I sent her to the lush green paddocks for 4 or so months and then sent her away to be reeducated and now after a lot of work this is the result. 
She is in again tomorrow night at Bendigo drawn 3 in race 2.  If she can begin a little better will be an each way chance, but saying that I don't want her pushed out too far where she may make a mistake, it's like a balancing game at present.  She will learn as time goes by and I believe she will make a nice 3yo next season.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/28/2006 1:09 PM
Good luck, we still can't drive Ciao for now out at the start or run him flat out around the bends for the same reason, he may break
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/28/2006 1:37 PM
Geo...
Nice effort first up and really got to the line strong....
Understand about you not wanting to push her out of the gate as to many do and then wonder why they pull like mad...People forget that they are still babies and learning what it's all about...
 
I did chuckle to myself when Dan gave your identity away at about the 700m though.....You needed to get to him and say "Due to a certain forum please don't mention me"..
 
Good luck at Bendigo buddy......

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/28/2006 1:52 PM
Not wrong and I didn't even have to pay him to do it.  He might have felt bad because he called her Pumpkin at the start of the race.
Oh well doesn't matter.
Thanks for the best wishes

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 7/29/2006 11:15 PM
how did zucchini go sat nite--any positives
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/30/2006 10:51 AM
She couldn't get across at the start and then had to restrain and was caught 3 wide and from there she pulled her absolute head off.  She still ran home ok in a 28.5sec qtr but was never in the finish.
I will be changing her head gear a bit and cuttiong out 1/2 her oats in her feed.  Will probabl put a removable hood on her and a tongue tie to start with.


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« 2008-Dec-10, 07:40 AM Reply #3 »
 
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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/31/2006 9:55 PM
Saw the run Geo and she did pull hard and last at Bendigo when they run home in 28.5 you just forget the run....
Maybe don't worry to much as 2nd start under lights and drawn wider can get them fired up....When is she going round again???
 
Our horse is running round on Wed at Stawell 1st up.....Have had heaps of trouble which forced us to miss Breeders Crown heats....Will improve on whatever he does..!!!

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/1/2006 12:03 PM
Yeah denzel I will forget about the run at this stage.  Will chuck a tongue tie on her though for next start.
Will be going around at Bendigo next wednesday hopefully. 
Good luck Wednesday.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/3/2006 10:57 AM
Another "Just do enough" performance to win that now takes him to...
 
14 starts 5 wins 4 placings....Which is a good strike rate...
 
Hmmmmm.....Not sure what next...

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/3/2006 1:09 PM
Denzel,
 
All you can do is win.  Some horses are like that, just do enough to win.  I wouldn't complain about a strike rate like that.
 
Well Done!!!!

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/3/2006 3:38 PM
Thanks Geo...
 
I 100% agree with you there about some just do what they need to do.....Just makes it hard as you don't know what to do with horses like that as it's hard to know what level they are at....
 
I think I remember on one of the harness threads someone mentioning about horses being pack animals and like to just run with each other.....Maybe thats just what he likes to do and hasn't got that killer instinct....Has always switched off when he gets to the front....

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/3/2006 4:11 PM
Denzel, have you tried pull ups on him?
 
Don't know if you remember but we used to train a horse called Svartsmara.  He was one of the best horses we had in track work, would beat horses like Cee New York in trackwork etc.  On raceday he wouldn't go an inch once he got to the lead in his races.  We chucked some pull ups on him and he turned the corner a little, still never reached his full potential though.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/3/2006 8:57 PM
denzel, pack animals, that was me, how could you forget me so soon after all,  I speak so much crap??
I actually got that comment from the late great Lindsay Hayes and who would argue with him.  Ciao for now running tomorrow night at Globe Derby in a $1000 race.  That is as easy as it gets, but I wish he did not have so many vices and missed a few vital fast runs (you just can't race him around bends at the moment and had a hoof injury after last start)
sorry for now wishing all good luck, but takes about a day or two for the messages to show up on my mail and then I only check them on Tuesday and Thursday nights if I am at work. (not sure why I did not received the last 4???)
Anyway if Ciao for now is big odds in the last at Globe tomorrow then get on each way and then blame me and I will kill the brother in law who trains him.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/6/2006 11:35 PM
Longneck.....
A slashing 3rd ....Has he improved with racing???
 
It is amazing that on Sat night they ran some races for $1000.....No wonder so many are just giving it away or moving interstate....

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/7/2006 11:51 AM
Nice run indeed.  Thought he was going to get up on the turn.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/7/2006 8:56 PM
Still not strong enough though. Denzel you are right about the prize money and noms are continually extended. Trying again on Friday night a Port Pirie, one day we might get there.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/8/2006 12:02 AM
Geo...
Did mention the pull-ups to trainer and think they are something we will try down the track if we get enough starts outs of him....
 
Going to drive him colder in the field as well because it's been every start when he has got to the front is when he "turns off and waits for others to come at him".....
 
Off to MV on friday to just see where we are at with him as all good one in BC semi's and may strike a little weaker field........Hoping for a nice cosy draw.....
 
Geo....Good luck tomorrow night at Echuca....and also Longneck on Fri....Will be watching and barracking for you both......

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/8/2006 2:30 AM
Thanks Denzel, will need it.  If only we had gate speed at this this time I would think she is a great chance, but at this stage we have not shown any. 
I will be happy if she settles better in the run and runs home nicely.  She has quartered herself in the last couple of fast works but I think I may have overcome that problem.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/8/2006 1:58 PM
Thanks Denzel,
and good luck to you both, lets hope for three placings at least these next two nights.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/8/2006 6:05 PM
Would definitely take a placing now longneck as come up with barrier 5.....
 
Have decided to put Geoff Webster on......He is going really well since coming across....

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From: MSN Nicknamepaleface™ Sent: 8/8/2006 9:34 PM
hi everyone just wondering if anyone is going to ballarat sunday week for the sires stakes day


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« 2008-Dec-10, 07:41 AM Reply #4 »
 
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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/8/2006 9:46 PM
denzel,
You have definately got the best driver SA had, and I think he can be one of best Vic has too, provided they try their hardest (thats another story and I could tell you one of them)
Paleface, one day hope everyone can meet on a big race day (even if it was a gallops meeting) but definately not sunday week for me, so have a nice day and, to all, enjoy.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/8/2006 9:49 PM
Geo,
Missed it by an hour. I realise you are there, and I know you did not get a place, which does not mean the horse did not do well, so what are your thoughts?
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/8/2006 11:08 PM
The bitch of a thing thought she would try and look at everything tonight.  Was turning her head bloody 90degrees to look at everything and would not score up. Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch.
Oh well, back to the drawing board. I will have to take the blocks off her.  Will also put a rein bur on her offside rein and maybe even go straights to keep her ass central in the cart.
Bloody thought she could have won tonight she has been working the house down and the times they ran she can do on her ear.  Oh well will be other days.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/8/2006 11:55 PM
lol geo.
sorry I should not laugh, but I am only laughing at the fact you answered my question so soon after the race and the "bitch, bitch, bitch" comment I can so relate to after a few mares and if ciao for now was a mare I would be saying the same.
Chin up mate, they always let you down when you think they can do well and "sometimes" suprise you when you think they will go crap.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/9/2006 9:28 AM
Tell me about it.
I was out of Echuca at 8pm, as soon as I could.  Was home in Bendigo at 9.15 unloaded and fed her (didn't deserve feeding) and home with a stubby at 9.45pm. 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/9/2006 11:54 AM
LOL ....
Geoff...If everything went perfect with her it wouldn't be any fun at all.......
I am sure you will work her out and thats where all the self gratification comes into it when you go from what she did last night to sorting her out and she winning....
 
Paleface...
I understand it's a great day for all owners, trainers, friends of them both and the people of Ballarat....and all of those will flock....but..
Most people are more than an hour away from Ballarat so all of a sudden petrol prices come into these trips now...Petrol + Entry + Food + Racebook must mean close to - $100 before you start...
Or
Stay home and watch on Sky....and bet the $100 away...
 
Is this the a reasonable theory and why people don't go or am i completely off the track????
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/9/2006 1:21 PM
Denzel,
That's true.  It is easy to buy a going horse without problems, not easy to buy a young horse that you think should have some ability and then try and get that ability out of her.  They frustrate you sometimes and sometimes when things go right you feel a sense of achievement.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/10/2006 6:40 PM
Longneck...
Nice little barrier 3 in a race that looks very winnable for you.....
 
Will you be morgaging the house, car and wife????

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/11/2006 11:04 PM
denzel,
bad luck tonight, that was a hot field. Yes that was a nice barrier and easy race for us, but have been there before.  I morgaged all those things and got $8 to put on him.
Hope you all did better.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/12/2006 12:14 AM
Geoff Webster come back slightly apologetic as he said he stays on the rails instead of being 3 wide and we run 3rd which considering they ran the last half in 57.8 is a good effort....The whole purpose of tonight was to see where we are at with him...
 
Longneck....
Well done with your bloke and the $4.90 seemed a good div on his last run.....At least you will be able to pick your wife back up from the Pawn shop ...
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/12/2006 10:37 AM
what and have to share the cash, she can stay there a while longer.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/12/2006 10:53 AM
Well done to both horses last night.  Both great runs indeed and the $4.90 was a nice little price indeed.  He had to do all the work though and thoroughly deserved to win.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/13/2006 9:55 PM
Thanks Geo,
The day after reality has set in for the brother in law, last night he was telling me how he was a legend trainer and driver and even answered the phone to his brother as harness racing extrodianeer.  All very funny, but today he says he did not beat much, which is the reality.
Anyway a win is pleasing no matter what, so back to the next race, we are likely to try a cheap race on Saturday night, because not up to the three year old race which is a breeders plate open 3yo (denzel your bloke would do well in that).
How about you guys??
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/14/2006 12:25 PM
Entered for Bendigo Thurs night but 23rd on list so won't get a run more than likely.  Also entered for Shepp sat night, noms close at midday
She had a hitout yesterday morning behind a mobile with one other horse and began the best she has which was good.
Hopefully will get a run somewhere.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/14/2006 11:18 PM
Courtesy www.harnesslink.com
 
CIAO TO MAIDEN STATUS
News Room 07:36 AM 14-Aug-2006 NZST


Two droughts were broken at Port Pirie last Friday night when Hamley Bridge trainer-driver Jamie Williams was successful in the Elders Insurance Pace with three-year-old colt Ciao For Now.

Stuck three wide for the entire mile event, Ciao For Now was very impressive to run away from his rivals at the top of the home straight and hold off Six Bid Solo and Littlebig Star in a three-metre victory.

The win was the colts first in 15 starts and backed-up a handy third behind Vigilante earlier in the month.

While Williams tasted success earlier this year as part of the Have A Go Syndicate’s ownership of Shipps Charm, Friday nights success was his first win as a trainer-driver since Wine Taster saluted the judge at Gawler in September 2000.

The Have A Go Syndicate are also part lessees of Ciao For Now along with Williams’ sister and brother-in-law Alicia and Paul Trussell.

Courtesy Of Neal Conder, Racing Services Coordinator, Harness Racing South Australia



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« 2008-Dec-10, 07:41 AM Reply #5 »
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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/14/2006 11:24 PM
Well got a run at Bendigo in the 2nd race which was a surprise, drawn out the back as she is ODM which will make it hard but field not overly strong by the looks of it.  Does anyone know much about these that isn't easily visible?

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From: arakaan Sent: 8/14/2006 11:34 PM
more detailed form. looks an average race.
 
11 is the one to beat, backed at debut into odds on was actually a very good run after losing ground at start.
rest are very average and very beatable.
lang on the first starter is interesting.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebarney136 Sent: 8/15/2006 4:54 PM
The 3 Archie goodwin has won a trial at Mooroopna in fair time.The 11 Just callme cullen was heavily backed at debut and has trialed well looks the one to beat but Good luck with your horse.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/15/2006 9:15 PM
Geo, they all have 4 legs and are able to be beaten (I think)  thanks for giving away my identity.  (really who cares)
but the story was interesting and the brother in law will love it.  In his defence he has only ever had one horse in training per year (on average) so not so much of a drought.  The horse Wine taster is well bred and the first foal sold for $14,000
  The other mare (shipps charm) me and a couple of others own and when finished racing (should not be long) would love to put to Elsu before the price goes up, and then maybe sell the foal.  So any interested persons let me know. (shipps charm is a 2 minute mare and can sprint and we all know Elsu)

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/17/2006 5:13 PM
You have to love the new form guide format on www.harness.org.au.....
Can finally just look up 1 race at a time...
Just click on all last lap footage after each race form...
 
How easy is it to do form these days compared to 10 years ago...There must be alot more smart punters around as any Joe Blow has every race just a click away....
 
We are running at Geelong next Tues with a nice little barrier 2....He will most likely run around fave and quite short on his last run......

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/18/2006 10:47 AM
Well she did everything fine last night which was pleasing.  Began ok and sat 4 back the fence and raced generously through the run.  Taking the blocks off seemed to work well.  She pushed up in the middle on the turn and was blocked half way around the turn which doesn't really suit her and she needs a bit of time to wind up.  She ran home ok to run 7th beaten only 9m.
The thing that really annoys me was how slow they ran up in front.  HRV implement sectional time restrictions but they don't apply to 2yo's apprantly, why not????
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/18/2006 3:33 PM
Geo...
She did race alot better last night....much improved performance....well done
 
I bet you went home and opened a can with a much bigger smile on your face than the previous start.......

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/18/2006 3:42 PM
Not wrong Denzel.
It's just so hard when you are drawn out the back, end up sitting 4 back and they walk up in front.  Was very happy the way she ran home and pulled up very well from the run.  I just want her back in the draw now, if she can land somewhere close to them in a run she will be in with a big chance.
Good to see you drew well next week, will start fav in that field I reckon and should go very close, especially on his last run.  Good luck.

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From: arakaan Sent: 8/19/2006 7:39 PM
ciao for now looks the winner tonight in the last at Globe even from outside the back row.
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/19/2006 11:29 PM
Longneck....
 
I will be very interested on your thoughts of his drive????
 
Talk about a bold move...

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/20/2006 9:38 PM
Denzel and all, yes he did look hard to beat and I think the one that beat him was fav or second, closely to us.  As far as the drive goes, yeah did not look to good, but remember if you sit back at Globe Derby they walk and you get left behind, so hard to know what to do. Jamie actually won the Australian Junior drivers championship in his younger days, but he just does not drive that much these days so gets nervous.  I still think it was the right move and if the horse had not missed a small amount of work during the week due to stepping on a rust nail it probably would have made the head difference.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/22/2006 9:17 PM
denzel,
I did not watch, only listened, and they said he was a bit lazy down the back, which you already have said he tends to be.  However when horses came up to him, what did he do?  Sounded like he just plodded like my horse would. He is a lot better than that, just wondering if trainer says he has had enough?  Mate wish he had won for you, hope he is okay and not injured that is the main thing.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/22/2006 10:49 PM
Longneck.....
 
I think you can fall into constantly making excuses for horses to appease your own mind and make yourself feel better.....
 
Bottom line is he went no good.......
Yep he missed fastwork this week due to a problem....
Yep he doesn't seem to go as good in front ( He ran home in 57.7 last week with a sit and gets beat 10m in 60.0 this week)......
 
Ahh well.....Just like Geo.....You move on...stop dwelling ...and look forward to next week......Life goes on

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/23/2006 9:41 AM
Yep, there is always another week. We are going against some good three year olds this Saturday Night, which will tell us if our improvement is genuine or just a case of running against average opposition. Race 1 number 8

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/23/2006 12:46 PM
Well after many a try to get a run I finally get one at Shepp on Sunday night.  Race 3 no 3 in a 7 horse field.
She is back in draw after I trialled her on sunday, trialled nicely behind Man on a Rock.
Pole horse went ok last time but this is over another 500m.
2 horse is the interesting one 1st up since March for new trainer.
I think we can beat the rest.


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« 2008-Dec-10, 07:42 AM Reply #6 »
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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/24/2006 1:51 PM
Good luck to both horses this week.....
 
Geo...
If you can get her somewhere closer to the lead she will have a great hope in that field if she can re-produce her first up run.....
 
What is the name of the mare you have in foal for sale???
 
Longneck...
The best way to find out where you are is to step them up...Then you never die wondering......

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/24/2006 2:01 PM
Mare's name is Nellie My love bu Jake and Elwwod out of an Armbro Hurricane mare named Cheer Girl.
Related to some very nice horses.
Mare has had 2 foals for 1 multiple winner, the other I do not know anything about.
They were both by lessor stallions Khans Thundar & Nuke of Earl.
This will be her first foal by a more commercial stallion (Jet Laag).
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/24/2006 9:34 PM
Geoff, what it the name of the mare and "why are you her"? sorry I saw that (on trading ring) and thought who are we dealing with when we sell horses etc. I have adverts on the same site and everyone who rings up says their employer just stuffed up their latest pay and they should have been paid more, sorry can I pay you next week etc.  You must ask how can these people last in the game if they can't but a small amount of gear or a cheap horse, how the hell can they feed, travel, etc etc etc.
Anyway Geoff, good luck with the next start for the filly. I will keep a look out.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/24/2006 9:35 PM
what it the mare? I mean what is the mare, you must be wondering if I can spell
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/25/2006 9:58 AM
Thanks Byalongneck, on her work and her trial last Sunday she should go well.  Only
worried about the pole horse, has good gatespeed.
Not wrong abour some of the people on the Trading Ring, I thought to myself, what the hell is this person asking?? Oh well I suppose you get used to it after a while.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/25/2006 9:32 PM
Hi Guys..
Won't make this too long winded.....
Our horse is 99.9% having it's last run next wed in Horsham Guineas drawn 10 as injury has taken it's toll on a bad fetlock and will be retired after the lengthy career of 16 starts....Vet can only do so much and when you start throwing away money it makes it not worth it....
He has won 3 of last 6 but isn't the horse he was held up on derby night....
 
This isn't 1/20th of owning Leica Falcon but to have a derby runner you only get 16 starts out of  and finishes a C2 is disappointing as everyone knows how hard they are to find......
 
Does make you wonder why you should keep pouring money into the horses but I now know why it becomes an addiction once you have one that can run sub 2.00.00 mile rate....
 
Anyway when you deal with horses that .1% is something you can hang onto...
 
Hopefully we all have a little luck in the next week.....

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From: arakaan Sent: 8/25/2006 9:53 PM
LLD,
 
terrible to hear his career will be cut so short.
know what it's like had a dog a few years back, 2 starts in a maiden series 2 near track record wins(after breaking the record in trials), 3rd race start missed the kick, flew up the outside going into the first turn next thing I saw was the dog go flying across the track into the outside fence, and in a small mercy it did end quickly for him.
 
haven't had another one that could touch him, and wonder if I ever will.
 
but like me you just keep on trying and hope there is some justice in it all.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/25/2006 10:38 PM
Denzel,
sorry to hear that. Thought something was wrong last start.  Like I said before to you, it only happens to the good ones. You could have a donkey that will run until 12 years old and have no injury, you get  a reasonable one and they get injured.
Hang in there and I hope you find another good one.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/27/2006 9:24 AM
Denzel,
 
So sorry to hear that about your horse, absolute shame.
 
I have had to scratch my filly tonight because of lameness to her offside front.  During her work the other night a bloody Kangaroo was sitting near the track, well she went off her nut.  Anyway she hit herself in front just on the inside around her pedal and it has swallon up heaps with some lameness. 
Always the bloody way, draw 3 in a weakish field and this happens.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 8/28/2006 10:56 AM
Thanks guys....Always look on the bright side and at least we did get a chance to race one that could run a bit.....
 
Bummer about you filly Geo as they ran home in 59.8 off a slow middle half......She would have ran on well in a last quarter of only 30.0...
Is she the only one you have in work at the moment that is close to racing???
 
Longneck...I guess thats why he took off last week as you do seem to get left behind on that track....All that room out there...What a pity SA harness don't have heaps of money and they could take the lead with a 1200m  track.....

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/28/2006 11:11 AM
Denzel,
Yes she is the only one that I have in work that is close to racing.  Always looking for others however.
When I saw the field for last night I though she was an absolute moral, given she did everything correct, which she has done since I took the blocks off her.  When I saw the race it convinced me even more.  She would run those times on her ear around Shepp (very quick track).  I really believe she will come back a very nice 3yo.  The improvement in the last 10 or so weeks has been very encouraging.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/28/2006 4:41 PM
denzel,
I am certainly not blaming the track. They ran 2:00.9 which he has not been able to do, so making a move three wide and then being in the death over last lap he has run olay. He has shown heaps of improvement so hopefully after his next break he will improve again.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 9/1/2006 4:29 PM
Denzel,
Has Johnny retired, so sorry to hear if he has as he certainly was a promising horse.  He had a few easy kills in him as well now he was in older classes and back to races like C0's and C1's.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 9/2/2006 11:30 AM
Geo....
 
You never know where this game takes you.....
We were approached before Horsham race by a party wanting to buy him and take him back to WA...We were honest and the party knows about the problem he has and were still happy to take him without a Roadworthy (Vet's certificate).....Obviously this decreases the amount significantly as compared to his price if sound but I would prefer to see him running around WA than in a paddock.
 
Apparently the WA trainer has had huge success with leg problem horses....
 
So providing sale goes through he is off to Perth next week.....Will keep you updated...
 
1 question for you guys....
 
Would the prospect of someone improving a horse greatly deter you from selling one with such potential???

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/3/2006 7:01 PM
Denzel,
no way, the idea is to see them win, if that means someone else does a better job and makes you look bad, well that's life, go for it.
 


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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 9/7/2006 8:53 PM
Longneck....
Don't you know for a sly $20 you don't have to get a back row draw every start in SA...

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/7/2006 9:44 PM
denzel, by the time I pay $20, if he wins, there goes the prize money.
See the Monday meetings last season had the R class races worth $2000 and they are now worth $1750. So petrol goes up so does the cost of feeding horses, but prize money is on the decrease?
We did avoid a lot of good horses which are going for their R0 on Monday instead of going straight for the C0, but there are a couple of unknowns in our race.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/9/2006 12:23 AM
see, no need to pay money to the stewards. That should be about it now he is a C1 he will struggle, however I have always said after his next spell he will be better.
 

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From: vorogue Sent: 9/9/2006 12:54 PM
tough win last night
 

GLOBE DERBY

AT 5

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08 Sep 2006 ELECTRICAL REFRIGERATION SERVICES PACE M/S
RADIO TAB 10-1-7-3 Late Mail 3 1800M OVERCAST GOOD
10   CIAO FOR NOW 2.90 1.00  
6   ALBERTS DREAM GIRL 2.50  
1   KNIGHT OF DREAMA 2.30  
SCR 5
Sub Fav 10
QN 6*10 15.30  
EX 10* 6 32.90  

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 9/9/2006 7:10 PM
Well done Longneck......
 
Looks like your brother in-law has him going really well.....

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/10/2006 11:51 AM
He is going well, he just struggles when they run 2 minutes as most would when either three wide or in death as he always seems to be. I still think next prep he will be better as this is only his second race prep. Paid a lot more in Victoria than on unitab.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/14/2006 8:29 PM
tomorrow night we have our biggest test so far (not that the fav is a champion but we have not done anything ourselves yet.)
Again a back row draw, but given we have no gate speed lately we will always settle back.  Given the go so slow over here yoy have to make a move early so again we will probably be three wide and if lucky in the death. So some better oposition this week, lets see how well we can go, my prediction is 3rd to 5th.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 10/19/2006 9:10 PM
another horse I own with a few other blokes(and lease out to a syndicate) got up last friday. Spoke to brother in law number 4 who said it was a strong mares field so I had a whole $1 for win.  Paid $45 a win in unitab and $70+ elsewhere. Spoke to same brother in law after race who said brother in law number 2 (Jamie who also has Ciao for now) and he was confident. Thanks for the F*&^%*n late mail in laws.
Now I definately have to breed with the bitch (Shipps Charm)
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 10/20/2006 12:07 PM
Picking my filly up from Agistment on sunday, she has filled out very nicely in her 8 weeks off and looks sensational.
Hopefully she will improve again this time as she has done so in the past.  Will give her a slow build up as I believe that young horses need a good base to build on so will build her up over about an 6-8 week period before commencing some pace work.  Hopefully starting to trial around mid to late January.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 11/23/2006 8:32 PM
denzel,
what was the end result of Singapore Johnny. I keep thinking how well he could have done with salt water and vet products, but obviously did not completely understand his injury.  Did he go to WA?
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 11/24/2006 12:40 PM
Longneck,
He went to WA in September but haven't heard anything how they are going getting his leg right....Hasn't raced over there so maybe they are having troubles....
 
How are you going with your team??

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 11/27/2006 9:48 AM
Ciao for now has been back in work for about 5 weeks, so still be a while yet. I was thinking of getting a horse for  a few  races over christmas new year as it is very likely they will race for $2000 restricted racing in Whyalla on boxing day and new years day. I have no horse to race and this is the richest restricted racing in SA if it happens. However it would be my luck I could not sell the horse after the season here is over.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 12/20/2006 2:31 PM
Denzel,
 
I see a full sister to Johnny in the Melbourne sale.  Should bring some good dollars.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 12/20/2006 5:41 PM
Geo....
Very well spotted.....
 
Question...
 
He went 1.57 and his sister Jasper Jo has gone 1.57 as well......
 
What would you think a full sister to him is worth and or will go for next sales???
 
Funny enough we have owned 3 and at the sales this year there are brothers and sisters to all 3.....
1....Brother to Lagoon Lady that couldn't scratch itself
2....Out of a sister to Anvils's Vance that thought he would take on an electric fence..
3.. Singapore Johnny...
 
Hardly that guys record that owns Hexus and the Slipper winner in his first 3...
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/20/2006 6:53 PM
gidday guys.
I have a group of about 4 or 5 people from Barmera who are almost certain to get a yearling from the sales (SA) but have only between $6000 and $7500 so this yearling is out of price.
I have looked over the sales and have done so for year, you can talk about breeding as much as you like, but in the end it comes down to luck.
Sure getting one that is bred better than the rest is like getting a maxi pick in the x-lotto.  Mares can throw three $20,000 plus winners and then throw a dud.
 
Ciao for now is nominated for a start at Whyalla on boxing day, not fully fit, but only a few weeks off.
 


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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 12/20/2006 8:05 PM
ciao for now must be fitter than that
after all it won the 5th at ipswich today--very versatile neddy lol

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/20/2006 8:27 PM
bloddy hell brommy, don't tell my wife that (there is another good name for a horse) because she keeps asking when Ciao for now the galloper is running because she keeps backing it, but have not seen it for a long time.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/20/2006 8:29 PM
and if the bastard gallops I will be sending him to Ipswich.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 12/20/2006 8:46 PM
lol
dont let you missus near the foprm guide--ciao has run 4th and now won this preparation
i wonder if you can do a fine cotton with them--after all the papers should match

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 12/21/2006 8:43 AM
Denzel,
Hard to know what she'd go for.  Depending on conformation etc I would expect around the $20,000 maybe.
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 12/24/2006 6:58 AM
Hi Guys,
 
Singapore Johnny is having is first WA run for C A Suvaljko on Boxing Day at GP.
Race 4 drawn 1.....
 
Think they are a very slick crew that have him and betting will be an enormous guide...
Hope he goes well for them but deep down you just hope....Not to well...

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From: wily Sent: 12/24/2006 9:53 PM
Got my hands on the cattle dog for the up coming sales.
Geez the breeding game seems a lot different to the gallops. Didn't recognise many dam's names unlike the gallops.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/25/2006 2:40 PM
wily,
I am off to the SA sales, it is still all guess work, the graduation sales pace if up to $50,000 so a lot are people just buying back what they own so they are eligible for the race.
Denzel, what are your opinions of C A Suvaljko, I have heard many from WA about him, but do not like to judge without meeting them. Have you spoke to him?
If he does think the horse can win I hope he at least tells you so.
Good luck, Ciao for now drawn 3 on same day.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/26/2006 8:04 PM
Denzel,
Was that the best result for you ??
It was great without being outstanding. Well done.
Ciao for now finished 3rd after being in the death for the entire race and will be so much fitter next race on 01/01/2007
 

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From: wily Sent: 12/26/2006 9:42 PM
Anyone had a look at the sales for Sydney? I've picked a few out for some mates and will probably go and inspect them over the next few weeks................any thoughts?
my first venture into buyimg a pacer so I have no idea at what we are looking at financially

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/27/2006 8:08 AM
willy, are you talking the bathurst gold crown sale? or is there another sydney one?
What is the breeding of the ones you are looking at and we can give you our best uneducated guess at what price you might be looking at.
 

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From: wily Sent: 12/27/2006 10:41 AM
That would be a big help longneck.
 I don't want to waste everybodies time by inspecting horse that may be in our budget to find out I'm totally out of place in the market
 
It's the APG sale @ Newmarket on Feb 25
 
The lots I've ear marked are
468
470
518
520
535
536
563
 
Most of them are from the same family that includes Kingstar
 
On interesting one I saw was lot 523
 
How can a family fall away to nothing as this one has. The 5th dam produced the great Bay Foyle as well as 2 other great horses The 4 dams since have not produced a winner worth mentioning.
Without the 5th dam it would rate as the worst pedigree I've ever seen. What the hell happened

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/27/2006 1:42 PM
Wily, I can't find a link to the sale anywhere, so can't see the pedigree. remember you can have a look at any horse you like, they don't know how much money you have. Even if you do not buy the horse, you may be the one who pushes the price up for the owner, so they will be happy for you to look (better than sitting there with nobody looking at your horse)
Some of the horses in the SA sales are obviously buy backs, which basically means the owners are putting them in the sale with the intention of buying them back. The benefit of this is that they are then qualified for the $50,000 graduation pace (for horses that are sold at the sales) It is obvious with a few of them (they are already named). I am sure the same thing will happen with the APG sales.
 

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From: MSN Nicknametriple-7- Sent: 12/27/2006 1:51 PM
 
This should get you there byalongneck

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 12/27/2006 3:58 PM
anyone know how singapore johnny went--where did he finish


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From: arakaan Sent: 12/27/2006 4:40 PM
didn't see it but ran about 5th from the call.
 
you can watch the race here under the winners circle section when they put it up(most likely by tommorrow.)
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 12/27/2006 7:52 PM
hi guys,
he was $5 into $3.20fav on course...
 
Went very rough in score up ....Sat on leaders back and hung out most of the race...
 
Did appear to get a run in the straight but didn't run on at all....
 
Guess you would say the run was slightly inconclusive....
 
I haven't seen him hang like that before and maybe it has something to do with his leg as horses that hang like that do so as sore somewhere....
 
Anyway.....Jury is out
 
Longnek...
Ciao went good and will be hard to beat on new years day....
 
They buy backs are a pain in the arse for potential buyers....Do all the homework find one u like and have not a hope in hell of buying it....
Mick Lombardo horses are the biggest pain....He should release a catalogue of his own saying which is which.....

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/28/2006 8:13 AM
Thanks Tripple 7, I was looking for the wrong yearling sales, APG one should have been obvious it keeps popping up as a banner everytime I go into Harness Racing site.
 
Denzel you are right about Lombardo, he has the ones that are already named that I was talking about. I think I should name my next one "the last lombo" or "no more lombos" but I don't think I could stop someone that big in the game, good luck to him.
I actually have my eye on one I know is not a buyback (Safely Kept - Princess Lucrative) which I know is not a buyback because they paid for a photo to be put in the  SA Botra magazine and he looks good. Probably go too high though, at this stage I look like having 5 or 6 boys at $1500 each.
 

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From: MSN Nickname5hearts Sent: 12/28/2006 9:24 AM
wily, families are wrecked thru' continued appalling matings & can happen within a generation. I see it continually in the TB sale catalogues & have noticed it with greyhounds. Too many with little knowledge, wrongly assume that by breeding the best they can afford to 'ditto', will produce good racing stock. Doesn't even work at the top level unless they use a significantly dominant stallion like Danehill & even then there's no guarantee but with him but the family at least has a chance of going forward.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/28/2006 8:37 PM
5hearts,
happens with humans too, you should see some of the feral people that breed in this town, it should be banned.  I have not managed to attracted too much of a service fee myself.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 1/1/2007 5:18 PM
Ciao for now finished about 6th (which is about 3rd last), sat three wide the entire race, and was not too far away from 3rd. Great run from the horse, as for the driver, if he was not  the driver in law look out.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 1/3/2007 8:05 AM
hi longneck
you betta tell the missus ciao for now is running in the first at eagle farm today
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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 1/3/2007 9:21 AM
thanks grommy,
I will get on it for her, she is at work so will not tell her if it wins (keep the cash)
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/5/2007 7:48 AM
My filly is in the second at Maryborough today.  Drawn 7 as she is ODM.
Not much hope especially from that draw.
I am a little disappointed in the way she has come back as well, has not really shown the improvement that I was looking for.  Oh well can only keep trying I guess.
The pair of Tonkin's drawn 1 and 2 will be the hardest to beat, the pole horse is beautifully bred by Armbro Operative out of Protikori's mother Kalypso.  This is her second foal.  Has won trials.
Hopefully we can do everything right today and she manages to run on from back in the field. 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 1/5/2007 9:03 PM
Geo,
that does not look too bad on the results, I tried to send you a message of good luck, but my computer is way toooo slooow (like my horses).
Anyway, you happy?
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/6/2007 9:08 AM
Yeah I was very happy with that run, just ran out of condition in last 50m when I thought she was going to run into 4th.
We restrained at the start and went back to last on the fence.  At the half we got a cart up 3 wide with cover which I thought was going to be great but by the 300m that horse hadn't really dragged us up far enough and something galloped and interfered with us a little.
As they straightened she had to come 4 and 5 wide and ran into 6th only beaten around 13m.
They went 2:00.4 last half in 58.9 and the good thing was she lost no ground even after coming wide.
Now I have a dilemma as she got a run tomorrow at Horsham tomorrow after I thought she wouldn't.  She has pulled up well and went straight for her feed etc.  I will see how she jogs in the morning before I decide whether to go.

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 1/9/2007 12:41 AM
how did zucchini run?
up to his price?

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/9/2007 8:07 AM
Yeah could say that.  Was bolting down the back and when he went for her nothing there, did not pull up from Maryborough by the looks even though on the surface seemed fine.
It's a problem with the code though when you can not scratch without penalty when something like this occurs.

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From: vorogue Sent: 1/9/2007 8:37 PM
Singapore Johnny won at Harvey tonight at around 5/4 odds, had the suckalong behing the leader, then Suvalko squeezed off the fence down the back into the 1x1, joined leader on straightening and was a bit too strong....as it should have been against a field like that
 

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09 Jan 2007 ONLINE BETTING STAKES C2 TO C4 M/S
RADIO TAB 5-6-10 2150M OVERCAST GOOD
1   SINGAPORE JOHNNY 2.10 1.30  
5   LOMBO WARRANTY 1.70  
8   SICILIAN 7.80  
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QN 1* 5 6.50  
EX 1* 5 9.10  
TF 1* 5* 8 166.70  
 
 
 
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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 1/9/2007 10:29 PM
Vo...
He did have every possible and won by a neck but thats all he did when we had him...I will be interested to see times when they are posted on harness.org...
I did think he raced better tonight...No excessive hanging and scored up better so they def made some changes...
 
There was plenty at $4 on bf for a while and closed $3.20/40....The tote on the other hand was crunched late even into $1.80 on NSW so i think they got some back....
 
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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/26/2007 8:37 AM
My filly is in at Mildura trots next wednesday race 2 no 4.  Been working well and has won 2 trials recently.
Hopefully she goes well, main danger is the 3.

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From: arakaan Sent: 1/26/2007 8:52 AM
Geokel,
 
best of luck with her, hope she performs well.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 1/26/2007 9:24 AM
Hi Geo,
Was wondering what happened after the Horsham run and actually thought you may have turned her out again....Good to see she has been trialling well....
 
Wondering if you have had a look at the Aussco sale book on this sunday and if so if you like any in it......There are a couple i like so may have to take a hike to Oaklands...
 
Problem is you take a glance at the APG book and it makes you wonder if you are completely wasting your time as stock is so much better..

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/27/2007 8:51 AM
denzel,
I gave her a few easy days after the debacle of Horsham.  The only good thing about it is I know I have to race her on the fresh side now.  The balance will be to keep her fresh enough but not too fresh.
I have had a look at the Aussco sales.  I like a couple in it on breeding.
 
1. Holmes Hanover Colt out of Spangled Lace:- 1/2 Brother to In Town Tonight who was a good young horse and won over $110k in prizemoney.
 
2. A colt by Astreos out of Save your kisses.  Mare is dam of 8 foals for 6 winners 3 in sub 2:00 inc Locked Away $50k prizemoney and Kiss Me Johnny.
 
I believe you can pick up some nice horses out of this sale and they will be a lot cheaper than the Gold sale.  If you look at purchasing one have a good look into their breeding before hand and pick out the ones you like and then have a good look at them before hand.
I think they are having a viewing day today for most lots.
 
I also see Johnny won again last night which was great.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 1/27/2007 9:30 AM
Thanks Geo....
 
Yes Johnny won again.....(Maybe a little worrying)...
 
I will definitely check out those 2 as well.....
 
A friend showed me the sale book for Cowra on 4th feb and it is amazing....55 Lots only..
Can buy a cheapy that is a brother to LP watch by Cristion Cullen....what do u think price will be??
Little brother to divisive, Cobbity Classic,Hexus or sister to emma's only..as well...
Even a full sister to The Falcon Strike...
 
Why this sale isn't held in Melbourne or Sydney has got me stuffed.....
 
Check it out.....www.nationalyearlingsale.com
 
I am trying to workout best way to hitch hike there.....

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From: vorogue Sent: 1/31/2007 6:26 PM
Geokel, i reckon she's be a chance in the lightning at the Valley, maybe you can sneak in paying a late acceptance fee, draw the outside barrier and you're a big hope     All jokes aside, i'd be mighty pissed off putting all that work into her and seeing that happen at the start, for not the first time
 
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Of $502500 Of $500000 and $2500 trophy. 1st $300000 and trophy of $2500, 2nd $90000, 3rd $45000, 4th $22500, 5th $12500, 6th $10000, 7th $10000, 8th $10000. Starter Subsidy: $150 for non-prize earning runners. Standard Weight for Age. (GROUP 1). No allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 15+3 EM
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1 DANCE THE WAVES Gillian Heinrich B Stewart 7   58.5 (104)
2 MAGNUS Peter G Moody L Nolen 8   58.5 (103)
3 CALIFORNIA DANE Lee Freedman C Brown 4   58.5 (101)
4 ANY SUGGESTION Paul Richards B Rawiller 9   58.5 (93)
5 STRADA Gai Waterhouse C Munce 3   58.5 (100)
6 MISS ANDRETTI Lee Freedman C Newitt 1   56 (112)
7 VIRAGE DE FORTUNE Bruce McLachlan D Oliver 6   56 (112)
8 REWAAYA (NZ) David Hayes D Dunn 5   56 (111)
9 TICKLISH (NZ) Steven Pinfold G Childs 2   56 (100)
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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/31/2007 7:24 PM
Tell me about it.  She is so frustrating.  Thought she had a big chance tonight.  I stayed back here in Bendigo which I am glad of now as I don't have the 4 1/2 hr trip home from Mildura.
So so frustrating as she has been working and trialling great.
ODM again now which won't hurt her and will try blocking her up again as Frank said she seemed to panic when they let her go. 
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/31/2007 7:32 PM
vorogue,
 
I think the 93 rating was a bit generous as well lol!!!

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/1/2007 7:42 PM
Geo....
 
Just wondering if you are going to the APGold sales on sat week??
If so ...Do you like any ??

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/2/2007 8:41 AM
I like a few of them out of this sale without seeing them in the flesh.  Wish I had a decent amount of money to buy up a few, oh well maybe in the future I might. 
Don't know if I am going as yet, might have my horse in on the Sat night in Mildura again, but will see.
Are you going Denzel?
 
Lot 106 a filly by Safely Kept out of Fly Like The Wind
Decent well bred racemare was Fly Like The Wind and Classic Garry has produced the mother of Lombo La Fe Fe and Triliner.
In the picture and video does look like she has the makings to be a young horse but have to see in flesh.
 
At the top end of the market will include Lot 260 a Falcon Seelster filly out of Sassy Gina.  Looks a nice type I thought and is out of a very nice producing broodmare who has produced Sassy Sarah, Geraldino and Bally Hooley.  Has produced 6 winners from 8 foals to date and I believe crosses very well with Falcon Seelster Bloodlines.
 
Lot 135 is again out of a Classic Garry mare Jarita and is a 1/2 sister to very nice young horse Von Rita.  Again by Falcon Seelster. 
 
Lot 136 is out of Jasmine Blue Jeans whose 2nd dam is a half sister to the mighty Blossom Lady who produced Mister DG so the line does breed on in my opinion.  Jasmine's first foal in NZ has won 3 out of 4 starts by Holmes Hanover, the only worry here is I don't really like Island Fantasy but looks a nice filly.
 
Lot 196 is a Filly by the mighty Christian Cullen out of a sister to Mother Courage and Tandia's Courage.  First foal so will be interesting to see what she brings.
 
I really like Lot 257 a filly by Astreos out of Sandelera who is a half sister to Il Vicolo.  Has had 3 foals for 3 winners to date including Apache's Atom.  Sandalera dam Burgundy Lass was a Noodlum mare, just love the Noodlum lines.
 

 


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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/5/2007 4:29 PM
Thanks Geo...
 
I will be going yes as there are 3 relations to the last 3 we have bought so want to see how they look....
 
I like a few early so will be seated for the first lot....Always a chance to get a cheapie early....
 
Don't have the budget for a few of your topliners but i do like lot 135....The best way is to have a look, work out what you think are worth and go from there...
Have been to a few now and so easy to get caught up in the moment...
 
My reports back are....
Aussco sale.....Couldn't give the early ones away and plenty after...
Cowra Sale......Not alot of money around either....
 
Could be a sale to get a cheap buy due to drought and interest rates.....Lets hope so

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/5/2007 8:49 PM
Good luck Denzel,
if the SA one is anything to go by you might be disappointed early. Could not get a couple I liked, but I am extremely happy with the one we picked in the end, he is in the bike already after being bought on Jan 10.
I know the prices in SA are not that bad, but seemed to be up on previous years.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/6/2007 12:31 PM
Ciao for now is running on Saturday Night in a $1200 race. Drew wide again, but this is not a hard race. He went terrible last start, but don't worry about that it was a gear change (Dolly's were taken off) and he did not try because of it. He has the blinkers on now and has been going well with them so I going to put my neck on the line again and say if you can get some reasonable odds, have a go.
 


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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/6/2007 1:07 PM
Good luck longneck,
I nominated my filly for MIldura Sat night, but she got an infection (not serious) in her fetlock from where she cut it being stupid the other night, so I have pulled her out of the race.  Will prob nom for Mildura again the Sunday after.
By the way, a horse goes around tonight that will be worth having something on, a horse called Ipanema at Nyah, drawn the pole, last run wasn't too bad.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/6/2007 5:40 PM
Thanks Geo,
I borrowed against the house to get on.
Also my father in law used to have a horse called Popular Joey which is in race 3 at Nyah. It is a horse that can gallop at the start which is usually the case and then makes up 100,s of metres, but if it does not gallop does nothing.  Father in law said she needs a trainer driver and not the one in Adelaide she used to have. Interesting to see how it goes. I heard it won a trial by 30m but I thought it would be 50/1 and would have $5 on it but in our paper it is 6/1 which is ridiculous.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/6/2007 6:57 PM
Code Race No/
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Result Win
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Odds
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8-NETTPROFIT   3.40  1.70  Qin 8 - 2  12.50 
All Paying
at 19:44
scr - NIL
Sub = 5, AYE AN E
2-MARMALADE TIGER     2.40  Exa 8 - 2  40.70 
7-POPULAR JOEY     8.10  Tri 8 - 2 - 7  386.40 

 

Gees this bitch shits me. For those who did not watch, missed the start by 40 metres and galloped again when caught them up and lost another 15 to 20 metres. It seems to be if you hold her up (which you have to do behind the mobile and when you catch the field) you gallop.

Geo, you have nothing to worry about compared to this mare. Good to see she still got third and unfortunately was not lost on the commentator (so no odds from now on) Hope some of you got on at $8.10 a place, but I backed her for a win.

 


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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/6/2007 8:38 PM
Geo,
What a legend tipster, I wish I had of borrowed to back it, but my $20 a win was sweet enough, cheers

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/6/2007 10:32 PM
Was nice at $4.90 in Vic.  Had a little go to which made it better.  She is a very promising mare finding form gradually.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/9/2007 11:34 AM
Looks like I will make the sales tomorrow which will be good.  A lot of very well bred stuff tomorrow so should be a great day.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/10/2007 9:11 PM
Geo, how did you go at the sales? get anything?
Denzel, was this the same sales you were going to? there are so many I lose track.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/11/2007 7:57 AM
No got outbid on a few.  A few trotters actually.  I am good mates with Cory Van Ryn's son so we were looking mainly at trotters.
 
Was a good day though, good turnup and beer was very nice.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/11/2007 8:42 AM
Longneck....
Yep spent 7 hours there yesterday....Going from one lot to another...
Got there well before the first lot as liked a few early....Liked lot 106 ( www.apgold.com.au) and she looked fantastic...Problem was she looked too good and my nice cheap steal went well overs at $30000
 
Lot 107 was the full sister to Singapore Johnny...She was a nice looking filly but terribly small...Did bid trying to get her cheap enough but let her go at $12000
 
Did end up buying though......Have to take off....Will post later with details but lets just say Geo and I may have crossed paths quite a few times yesterday...

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/11/2007 6:38 PM
denzel.
Look forward to hearing about it. Ciao for now is a dog. He may be a different horse now he has been gelded, otherwise not sure what the problem is.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/12/2007 7:42 AM
What a great day at the Hunter Cup yesterday.
One Over Kenny's perfromance and A Touch of Flair were outstanding.  What a great effort also by Crownie.  For a 4yo trotter to run third in a race such as that and making the ground up he did was a great effort.
I was so glad Sting won the Hunter Cup as well.  Fully deserved a big win and his trainer is such a great bloke.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/12/2007 7:48 AM
Denzel,
Unfortunately did not get to the sales until about 11.30am but did not leve till after we drank some of the complimentary grog on offer.  Unfortunately did not get to see the Fly Like The Wind or the flyawayhome.
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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/12/2007 10:36 AM
free grog? I gotta get to your sales. The yearling we picked up in the SA sales is now in the bike and pacing. Good start, just hope he has ability.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/12/2007 11:07 AM
Yeah they put Crownies on for a while after the last lot went through the ring.
They tasted very nice, unfortunately could not have too many as had to drive home to Bendigo.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/14/2007 8:23 AM
Hmmmmm.....
 
Another win.....This time at GP for Singapore Johnny.....
 
Somethings trainers can't hide behind is "results".....


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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/14/2007 9:37 AM
denzel,
Well that is good in one way, gives you access to the west to sell more horses if you want to.
You were going to give us details about the yearling you bought?
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/14/2007 12:01 PM
Denzel,
did you sell him to WA or is he on lease.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/14/2007 5:08 PM
Hi Guys,
Geo..
Completely understand what u mean ......Maybe better for trainer as then people know they can get them going better....
The problem then comes down to .."Why pump money into a trainer that isn't going to get or can't get the best out of your horses for you"???
What happens if the next one you give him has a similar problem??? Do you sell him to Perth as well knowing someone can improve him???
 
Longneck...
Yeah we sold him due to trainer not being able to do anymore for him....
Saw Ciao run the other night.....Maybe he should try and drive him a little quiet and let others do all the work at 1000m....He would have finished much closer driving him quiet.....

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/14/2007 8:59 PM
denzel,
know what you are saying, he does seem to do a lot of work, however the start before he had a three wide cart up and did nothing. He is just not wanting to put in at all. The vet warned us he would sulk for a while after gelding him, maybe we just did not spell him for long enough.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/18/2007 7:37 PM
 Hmmmm.....
 
Oooooooops......Another win last night in WA for SJ.....
Managed 2 wins this week......
 
We were told he could only ever race once every 9 days by the stable vet....Geez..
 
He couldn't win a C2 for us and now all of a sudden is a C5 or 6....
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/19/2007 7:35 AM
Must be starting to get a little frustrating denzel.
Although racing over there is much easier than here.  Horses like Lucky Punch etc are FFA over there.
Don't be too downheartened.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/19/2007 7:58 AM
Thanks Geo....
 
Hardest thing is everyone knows how hard it is to find horses with abilty and can pay their way.......When you do find one, You want to know you have got every ounce out of them and then maybe sell them....
When you do and they win 4 of their next eight and a few 2nds it makes it harder not in relation to the money side......It's watching them win for you.....
 
Not as bad but it's a bit like Hawthorn watching Gary run around kicking 8, 10 and 14 for Geelong I guess....Although I hope the tradition continues as everyone know the Hawks had the last laugh....

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/19/2007 9:13 PM
My filly had a trial at Bendigo yesterday.  I was happy with her effort, cat caught in the death.  Ran past the leader on the turn but ran out of condition in the last 50m.  Track is very good, will be able to come from anywhere to win.
Prob put my filly in at Charlton on Sunday in the 3yo.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/20/2007 9:08 AM
Geo....
 
Good to hear she is back and racing better....
 
I did have a chuckle to myself though my friend in your wording after "You were happy with her effort".....I think you  "Got" caught in the breeze and were not refferring to her effort over the last 50m.....
 
Great to hear the track looks better as it was very ordinary to be trying to win from behind before the reno's....
 
Good luck at Charlton on Sunday.....Hopefully pick up some of that vicbred on offer for 1st win.....
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/20/2007 9:34 AM
lol, should read them before I post them.  She has been called worse than Cat before, I can tell you.
Hopefully she can get a win up sooner rather than later, just want her to do everything correct all the time first however.
Might send her interstate if she can win one here first, bit weaker class of horse might be more her go, I'll see what happens though.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/20/2007 9:01 PM
will keep an eye out Sunday Geo. Ciao for now is in a cheap race on Saturday Night again.
Denzel, speaking of a forum horse, he may be the opportunity, we think he needs a few weeks off and I think he will be coming back to our place, but not sure yet. I am full as far as paying myself goes, so there is an opportunity to lease a horse.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/21/2007 6:17 PM
Longneck...
Geez.....He is up and racing.....People would be jumping out of trees to lease one thats up and going...I thought he was owned by a family of longnecks (actually is a family of longnecks a carton???) I thought your family owned him??
 
I do think its funny that only Geo, You and I chat about horses we own...
Surely other forumites must own one or two...

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/21/2007 8:49 PM
denzel,
plenty of others watching no doubt seeing our not so hot tips. No the carton of longnecks do not own him, we have him on lease. We actually let my Brother in law in as well as a syndicate him and his mate have going (they race shipps charm on lease from us). We had to let them in to afford the training fees, but I think they have almost had enough. Yes he is up and racing but he is just going to need a week or two freshen up to get back to trying again. See how he goes Saturday Night.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/21/2007 9:19 PM
Drawn 6 in the last at Charlton Sunday.
 
Couple of ok horses in it.  Just want her to do everything right for once

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/22/2007 7:21 PM
Geo, go you good thing,
 


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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/22/2007 7:46 PM
denzel, as Geo asked, you were going to give us details about the yearling you bought?, If there is any sorta secrecy about it Geo managed to add me to his msn contacts (great effort Geo considering I have no idea how to work the whole thing but was asked to add you to my contacts) so given only the three of us seem to talk about them we could cut this particular thread short and just email each other.
Hope the yearling is the best all bar one (the one we bought in SA)
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/22/2007 9:06 PM
Longneck,
I hate to say this mate but she has been working well again.  Trialled good at Bendigo on Sunday.
I only want her to do everything correct on Sunday and go from there.
There is a 3ao / 3a1 Pref draw on sex on Thursday at Bendigo over 1650m which I will look at.  She should draw well in that.
To be honest  actually expected her to be a little better than she has been this time in but oh well can only work with what I have I suppose.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 2/24/2007 10:20 PM
go the caiou--now its zucchinis turn

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/25/2007 8:19 AM
it was about time he showed something grommy, just disappointed that he only paid $8.50, but we needed the win.
All eyes on you Geo "no pressure"

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/25/2007 2:12 PM
Thanks longneck, well done on your win.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/25/2007 7:05 PM
geo,
looks like she did everything right, a bit worried about the last turn, which looked like you had to hold her back for. Hope she keeps improving.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 2/25/2007 9:57 PM
hi there--missed the race
where did z finish--did it run okay

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/26/2007 7:51 AM
She went shithouse and that is all that can be said.
It has got me stuffed to be honest.  I have the vet coming out to look over her, I am just bamboozled to be honest.
I did up her work over the last couple of weeks, she might not have handled that.  I just don't know, she is much better than that. 
Bloody horses, a bloke should have his mind read sometimes.
 

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From: vorogue Sent: 2/26/2007 10:03 AM
dont give up Geokel, it's the kind of horse that will lob one day at 50/1+ odds in the right race with the right run, maybe try a female driver, give Jodie Quinlan a ring, it just might be as simple as that  

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/26/2007 10:46 AM
Thanks for the encouragment Vo.
She just pisses me off because she works and trials well and then she comes out and does that.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/26/2007 11:47 AM
What a difference in weekend for forumites...
Well done Longneck, I missed the race.....Where was he in running, Was he 3 wide doing the work or a nice cosy run for a change??? Did you have a few dollars on him at $8.50??
I am more than happy to add you to my messenger as well....will do so...
I will let you know the yearling we bought on there....
 
Geo
I looked up harness site for her run but replay isn't up yet....
Do you think it's an upstairs issue or she maybe sore somewhere and isn't putting in due to pain....Due to the fact she has been working well maybe just forget the run and continue on......As you know a weeks a long time in racing.....

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/26/2007 7:31 PM
denzel,
worked three wide without cover when they were going at a walk, so suprised to see him actually try, don't ask me what the difference was I asked brother in law but he just says "I fixed him" which I think means he has absolutely no idea.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/27/2007 4:04 PM
LOL....
 
What is the breeding of your yearling you bought at SA sales???
 
Singapore Johnny running tonight at Bunbury....He has strode to horse of the year at Harvey and is all of a sudden a C6.....

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/27/2007 6:21 PM
Denzel,
Breeding is Our Sir Vancelot - gabriels gold (not sure if that is how you spell that)
All I can say about him at this stage is that he is a striking looking colt (which most colts are) and he is pacing and wanting to go fast when seeing other horses.
As usual have no idea if he will be a winner but at this stage all looking good for racing as a 2 year old.
Even though Ciao for now won I offered my half share to a syndicate I have with Pedros Pick and they are not sure about what to do. So your "jumping out of trees" to lease him may not be true. I only pay $60 a week for a half share of the lease, which I am sure everyone knows means the owner takes out his 1/3 after the trainer driver 10% is taken out and then I get 1/2 of the rest.
Not profitable yet but he has ability and like you say Denzel, a horse racing and winning (on lease) is very hard to get.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/27/2007 6:25 PM
So anyone else want to join, with a syndicate in half share in Ciao for Now let me know. You all need to know that brother in law still thinks he needs another speel even though he won on Saturday Night.
 


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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/28/2007 8:09 AM
Longneck,
Wish I could mate but after the weekend the wife would kill me.
 
Saturday had a few drinks to celebrate my son's 7th birthday, well ended up being more than a few.  The next morning the wife told me I had organised to lease a 3yo filly by Our Sir Vancelot.
 
Horses name is Van Lace.  She said next time you drink please sit next to me (presuming so she can elbow me when I open my mouth, lol!!)
 
Oh well, the joys of it all.
 
Works out ok though, Zucchini is in at Bendigo tomorrow night drawn 1 in the last and then she is going out for 6 months, just has not improved the way I wanted her to, plus she still has growing to do.

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From: wily Sent: 2/28/2007 9:00 AM
Anyone go to the APG sales ?
 
I tried to get a syndicate together but came up short.........bugger

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/28/2007 9:10 AM
Wily,
 
Which one, Sydney, Melbourne ??

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From: wily Sent: 2/28/2007 9:51 AM
I picked a few out in Melb and they went cheap but Sydney was the one I was hoping to get to

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/28/2007 11:51 AM
Geo,
lol, celebrating your sons 7th birthday, now there is a good excuse if ever I heard one.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/28/2007 12:00 PM
Tell me about it.
We had a kids party for him on the Friday night.  Then on the Saturday had family and friends over for a BBQ and drinks, well it turned into a very long session, especialy after a couple of hours in the outdoor spa.
Havn't realised before that those spa's really accelerate your drunken state lol!!!

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/28/2007 4:34 PM
Getting off the forum topic, but we had a spa in the Barmera Monash Football Club changerooms. When playing B Grade they say the worse thing you can do is drink beer after the game as you are so low on fluid. We were given a free carton and then sat in the spa until they kicked us out because the A Grade were coming in for half time break. Geo they are a real worry and make you twice as wobbly.
Beer and a spa, a great combo.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/28/2007 8:10 PM
Not wrong, got a 8 seater signature and had around 35 degrees, very relaxing!!!

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 3/13/2007 10:06 AM
Van Lace is coming along ok.
Only had 2 weeks off between when she qualified and when we started back with her. 
Has a bit to learn still, have my doubts on whether she will be good enough in Vic but we only leased her so can give her back if she does not go any good.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 3/13/2007 9:32 PM
Geo...
Not the worse breeding i have seen as her mum is a sister to two $70,000 winners out of 4 so is abilty in the family....Just none of the mares have thrown a starter yet...
 
Keep the updates coming through.....
 
P.S Has zucchini been turned out???

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 3/13/2007 11:58 PM
denzel,
I have my reservations about her to be honest but she may surprise.
Yeah I turned Zucchini out for 6-12 months.  Just did not improve from her 2yo days (went backwards if anything).  Will let her develop fully as she is on beautiful irrigated paddocks so she should do well.
I will keep you informed how she is going.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 3/15/2007 7:55 PM
Ciao for now is running on Saturday Night, I am a bit worried about his one paced runs, if he had a sit and sprint ability I would be happy.
Still I have people looking at him on Saturday to decide if they will go in on a share of him. I pay $60 per week for a half lease share, the only reason I am looking for people is I am building a house and horses take second priority. You would not believe the people wanting to actually pay up for a horse that will win money instantly.
Denzel, like you say people should be jumping out of trees to have a share in him, but most people are so stupid they think when they join in they will win lost of money.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 3/18/2007 5:34 PM
Ciao for Now is going. He ran his worse race on Saturday Night, definately needs 6-8 weeks off.  However I have not one person interested in paying up for him so Off he must go.
Everybody on the trading ring wants a $2000 champion so I hope the owner does not have to advertise him there, but if he does that's life.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 3/26/2007 11:44 PM
Longneck....
How did you go......Did you get rid of him???

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 3/27/2007 8:58 AM
Almost Denzel, the owner is sending him to those who have his half sister in WA. South West WA somewhere. Their 18 yr old son is going to handle him. Not sure he will able to handle him with his carry on around bends, but I hope he can. I still think a lot of wins in store after a good spell so I will keep my eye on him.
 


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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 3/29/2007 10:02 PM
denzel, still nothing about this yearling you got
This must be special to keep it secret lol
Geo, a couple of weeks since the Van Lance posting, is he still going okay without impressing you?
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 3/30/2007 10:32 AM
Longneck,
Van Lace is still a little unimpressive, although she is getting better, don't know how much she will improve though.
Not as lazy as she was, and got her down to running a half in around 61 on a very heavy sand track working over a mile and a half in around 3:20

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 4/26/2007 12:24 PM
things have gone quiet in April, thought I might start off the updates. Yearling is back for second prep. Horse with problems running straight has had his back looked at and teeth done, so about to start again. Pedros Pick (the one that tore a suspesory ligament) has started hopple working. He is about 7 seconds off a good race time, only working alone. He is about to trial with other horses for the first time in nearly three years (hopefully on Sunday). Not expecting him to win but he is going great guns for the little time he has been fast working. Still holding my breath every time he runs, just hoping that leg holds up. The amount of icing and warming up again you have to do just to be safe is huge, so to see him break down again would be devestating.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 4/26/2007 1:59 PM
Longneck,
Van Lace has had 2 trials the last 2 Sundays.
1st one I was happy with, she led them up over 2200m and only ran out of condition in the last 100m.
Last Sunday she galloped for no reason at the start and lost 20m, sat last and pulled her head off and didn't run on at all.
So back to the drawing board again.
Has worked a lot better this week so see how she goes on Sunday again.
To be honest prob not good enough for Vic but might look at sending her to Adelaide later on.

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From: vorogue Sent: 4/26/2007 4:53 PM
now i know Chris the puppet Alford is a crackerjack driver (one needs only look at the first 3 winners today at Maryborough he drove them all to victory) but he really did something special today in race 6...he drove 2 horses in the one race, that is simply OUTSTANDING  
 

MARYBOROUGH

VT 6

INTERIM
26 Apr 2007 VICBRED SUPER SERIES (3YO FILLIES) (3RD HT) M/S
RADIO TAB 10-8-7 2190M FINE GOOD
10   TWIRLING 3.20 1.10  
3   GLORIA LOMBO 4.50  
8   ELYSEES CREST 2.60  
SCR -
Sub Fav 7
QN 3*10 50.50  
EX 10* 3 66.20  
TF 10* 3* 8 425.90  
A2 3*10 10.50  
8*10 3.40  
3* 8 14.30  
No.   Name 3:45 Win Plc   Driver  H/C Draw   L3S Rtng
1   NEED A BOYFRIEND 43.2 42.7 8.9   DAMIAN WILSON   093 54
2   BELDANI MISS 23.9 34.9 4.4   BRIAN GATH   563 68
3   GLORIA LOMBO 22.9 24.5 4.5   KERRYN MANNING   844 61
4   LOVE MY FELLA 8.2 7.1 2.5   CHRIS ALFORD   21 73
5   BELOKA DIAMOND 26.8 33.3 3.0   LISA MILES   833 62
6   PRINCESS DILINGER 23.2 23.1 3.2   FRANK DUNNE   311 71
7   FUSUSI 2.1 2.4 1.7   CHRIS ALFORD   142 100
8   ELYSEES CREST 6.3 7.7 2.6   GEOFF WEBSTER   123 63
9   ABBEYLYN 51.1 50.4 7.3   TODD MATTHEWS   619 56
10   TWIRLING 4.5 3.2 1.1   JOHN CALDOW   911 80

UNiTAB Pool Totals
WN $18999 QN $1902 EX $1230
PL $4342 TF $7596 A2 $354 DD(6,7) $1407

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 6/5/2007 8:33 PM
I have Pedros Pick nominated for his first start in 3 years on Friday at Gawler. No where near his top but it is so hard to get them to that when trialling against themselves, also we have the injury to worry about as that could go again any time. However BE TOLD, I expect him to perform okay, and if the nominations stand up the way they are then he should get inside the back row.  So provided we get a bit of luck we could go well.
So what I am saying is if he pops up at $20 then have an each way bet because that is way over what he should be.
If he does not get a place, then I am changing address (lol)
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 6/9/2007 10:38 AM
dont you just love racing. Travel 4 hours one way and 4 hours home, just to have your horse not happy with something and therefore hang the whole way, not concentrate on racing and tail off last.
You gotta be crazy.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 6/9/2007 10:42 AM
Longneck,
That is just part of racing mate, like when I sent my filly 4 hrs to Mildura for her to gallop 1/2 a lap. 
Don't be too disheartened!!

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 6/9/2007 3:41 PM
gidday geo,
thanks, I remember that, I actually was laughing to myself, not because it is funny, more that I was feeling for you knowing exactly how it pissed you off.
I'll get over it shortly.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 6/12/2007 11:46 AM
in the past 12 months i've driven from melbourne to geelong, maryborough, ballarat & later this week to bendigo, to watch either of my galloper or pacer run. best result was a 6 length 2nd. i do it for similar reason why i find it hard to concentrate on anything but the horse up to a week out from it's upcoming run!

you guys probably reckon that sort of travel is nothing special though. :-)

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 6/12/2007 1:41 PM
Gobaggers,
good to see you are committed to your horses. I must say if I did not have to go I would simply watch it on Sky Channel. It is the getting time off work, loading and unloading horse(s) and gear,washing them etc. Then making sure you are there a couple of hours before, just to stay with the horse, and then return home at early hours of the morning that is annoying.
Of course not as annoying if you win or run good.  It is the fact the horse can't say to you, look I am not feeling good so you are wasting your time taking me, is the frustrating part, but as they say "that's racing"
Thanks to my horses bewildering performance on Friday Night I am off to Port Pirie, some two hours away, just to trial. (can't handle the embarrassment again if he goes like that so need to make sure it was a one off)
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 6/12/2007 2:51 PM
Longneck/Baggers,
Know exactly how you feel, but the thrill of getting a winner and the hope of getting a good one just keeps you going.
I hope Pedro goes better for you tonight Longneck.
Just an update on my battlers:
Van Lace is now in Mildura, as I thought she did not measure up to racing down here, gave her 4 trials at Maryborough and could see where she was going to end up.
Zucchini is still in the paddock, she hasn't done as well as I thought yet so will leave her out for a while yet.

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 6/12/2007 3:11 PM
The frustrating thing from my experience, which is probably not that bad, is that both my galloper and pacer won trials (galloper won 2 trials at lindsay park) and i have no idea what to expect come race day but the fact they win trials makes me think we're a big chance to win the race. Admittedly combined they've only had 5 starts and they're both 2yo with plenty to look forward to, but they haven't won a race yet and i've felt slightly let down on raceday that they haven't won. I'm only new to this and these are my first horses so i probably have a lot to learn re what to expect. Actually the pacer i wasn't disappointed with, he just had an average drive. I dont want to say the names of my horses in case they let me down again. (hope not)
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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 6/12/2007 8:07 PM
"I dont want to say the names of my horses in case they let me down again"
 
Sad, Sad,Sad....
Can never understand this way of thinking....
People should be proud weather they own 10% of Blacks a Fake or 10% of one thats had 30 starts and hadn't ran a place....
 
Thats just my opinion anyway...


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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 6/13/2007 11:49 AM
Actually it's more because there's a few other owners in it and i dont know what they'd think if they knew i'd been talking about the horse online. You know how it is, unless you're paying the bills you're not supposed to know anything. I'll see how he goes tomorrow and maybe i'll say more then. ;-)

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 6/13/2007 8:32 PM
Name them and shame them baggers, look at my donkeys.
Anyway, good luck.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 6/14/2007 11:31 PM
Geo...
Does that mean you have none in work at all? If so...Is the real reason you giving Zuccini a few more months in the paddock is due to you can't get out of bed with the zub zero mornings up there??

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 6/15/2007 10:33 AM
denzel,
correct, I have not one in work at the moment and correct on 2nd count too lol!!!
Nah not really if I had another which was ready to come back in then I would be working it as I find this time of the year is best for the fringe horses.
How is your team travelling denzel? Has johnny been going around at all in WA??
 

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 6/15/2007 12:22 PM
Our horse won yesterday! Wouldn't be too hard to find out his name given what i've written in earlier posts. :-)

Can't believe i've already got a winner, he's the first pacer i've ever had and only the 2nd horse overall. What a great feeling, unreal.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 6/15/2007 12:33 PM
Congrats baggers,
You would not believe it, 2 x 2yo winners at Bendigo yesterday and they both raced at Maryborough their only other start and both won trials at Ballarat, from what I see the mystery continues a little, lol!!!!
Seriously though well done and broke 2 minutes as well which is a good effort.

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 6/15/2007 1:01 PM
I thought he ran the last qtr in 27.9 that's what they said at the track but now it says 28 online. Is that common that the track times are slightly out?

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 6/15/2007 1:05 PM
Sometimes that happens. 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 6/15/2007 4:17 PM
Geo...
SJ went for a lengthy spell after a good effort at first prep for them winning 4 i think. Think he is still 1st or 2nd at Harvey in "Horse of Year" points....
 
Our team only consists of the yearling we got at the sales this year....So like you have a long wait until there is a light on the horizon....
 
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From: MSN NicknameBancoora Sent: 6/16/2007 5:06 PM
Baggers,
 
Would that be a photo of your horse on the front page of the June 2007 Harness Racer magazine?

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 6/16/2007 10:45 PM
Just a short message to let you all know how insignificant horse racing actually is.
The Owner of Pedros Pick had a nearly 2yr old boy (I think that was his age, and he is a boy noy horse) who lost his fight for life last night. I have never personally met them but I cried (because i have kids)
So losing ahorse race is not so bad after all

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From: Geoff Sent: 6/16/2007 11:01 PM
How true.

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 6/18/2007 2:30 PM
Well, i think everything pales into insignificance when something like that happens not just horses, i can't even imagine what losing my 3yo daughter or 8mth old son would be like. I don't think i'd ever recover.

Bancoora i didn't even know it myself but just made a phone call and yep it appears that's our horse. :-)
I'm going to get myself a copy of this mag i think.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 6/18/2007 2:52 PM
Baggers not wrong there.  I have a 7yo son and he is my pride and joy in this world.  I can not imagine life without him, problem is the Mrs got to him and he barracks for Melbourne!!!
Good thing though is that he loves his horses, especially his pony which he will race next year in the pony trots.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/12/2007 9:55 PM
Geo, thought I reckognised your name on the trading ring recently, did you attempt to buy/lease something? (thought it was a young one) How did you go?
 


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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/13/2007 9:01 AM
Longneck,
How is your team going? How is PP's legs holding up?

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 7/13/2007 9:47 AM
Longneck,
Always looking mate!!
Looked at an Armbro Operative yearling that they wanted around $7500 for.  They ended up taking it to Graeme Board & Co Shepparton Sales and got $15,000 for him, did look a nice type.
Only problem is that I really don't want anymore by myself, would love to have one or two with a number of other people.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/13/2007 10:04 AM
Geo,
Yeah that sounds just like me, always looking, but knowing full well we can't afford.
 
Denzel,
That chestnut 3yo my wife got has just started jogging up again a few weeks ago after being gelded. I am still worried he is a nutcase and even after getting blood worms out of him I think he is not putting weight on so next it stomach ulcer treatment and that is expensive.
The yearling I bought with a few guys is about to have his third and most serious prep.
Pedros Picks leg is holding up fine, it is everything else that isn't. Ever since that one start we gave him he has gone backwards (he was going a lot better than he showed that start)
We had his blood tested and there was nothing serious, his salt levels were down a bit so we will saline drench him a bit more and the Vet suggested he may have a slight virus so he had the appropriate treatment. We gave him a week off and you would think he would be fresh after that, but no he is the same. I think three years off may have been too much and he may have lost that will to race. I will find out in about 4 weeks when he hits the track again.
 
Who has your yearling?

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From: vorogue Sent: 7/29/2007 4:05 PM
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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamebyalongneck</NOBR> Sent: 3/18/2007 4:34 PM
Ciao for Now is going. He ran his worse race on Saturday Night, definately needs 6-8 weeks off.  However I have not one person interested in paying up for him so Off he must go.
Everybody on the trading ring wants a $2000 champion so I hope the owner does not have to advertise him there, but if he does that's life.

did they take the hopples off and turn it into a galloper

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29 Jul 2007 HOT TIP WELDING CLASS 3 HANDICAP
RADIO TAB *2-1-4 Late Mail 2 1200M FINE GOOD
6   CIAO FOR NOW 30.50 5.40  
1   INTRAMUROS 1.20  
5   DASHING DODGE 2.10  
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QN 1* 6 34.60  
EX 6* 1 136.60  
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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/29/2007 10:25 PM
Vo,
have a look at the first few posts and the one in particular from specialweek about the galloper called Ciao for Now.
Bloody Hell Specialweek where the hell have you been. My wife has been looking mid week and on Saturdays, but has never seen him start.
Vo,
doh, doh, bloody doh.
 
Anyway Ciao for now, the pacer is susposed to be starting in WA next week or close to that. I have to get rid of Pedros Pick, he is going hopeless, tried everything.
The wife had that chestnut that has now been sold, he is a nut and took an hour and a half to load in a float.
I now have a share in the yearling I bought and that is it.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 7/31/2007 8:34 PM
Geez....
 
A lean time for us forumites.....
 
Not a runner going around between us.......
 
 
Geo.....Longneck.......whats going on guys????

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 7/31/2007 8:46 PM
denzel,
there comes a time where you say that's it. I have spent so much money on the buggers lately and I am building a house so if they can't perform then goodbye.
I know Ciao for Now is due to run in WA shortly and will (or I should say should) win some races. From my point of view it would have cost more to jog him up again and find out if he can win again.
I know it is a hobby, but as I keep saying to people you can have your hobby, but still keep them turning over until you find the money earner.
 
So all I have now is a yearling, which within the next three months we will be looking for a trainer for (father in law is coming with me for a holiday, and no races around here now)
 
I know your yearling will be oposition, and still waiting to hear about it???
Everytime we ask about it, you go quiet if you can't say, then just say so, hope that makes sense.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 8/1/2007 9:05 AM
Very lean time indeed, Zucchini will be coming back into work within the month after having 6 months off

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 8/12/2007 1:05 PM
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ciao for now running today  r4 no.3 sunshine coast

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From: MSN Nicknamegrommy5238 Sent: 8/12/2007 3:40 PM
ciao won again--good price too

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 8/14/2007 8:24 PM
and the theme continues as I miss it again.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/11/2007 8:53 PM
My (1/5th share in) is being sent to Adelaide because he is now a 2yr old. He is doing everything right without horses around him, so needs that.
I know this is not exactly exciting news, but lets face it, there is not much else happening on the Harness site.
Naming form has been sent yesterday and will advise when it comes through so we can all watch him come last.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 9/11/2007 9:52 PM
My pacer has come back into work so dec-jan is probably what we're looking at provided he stays sound. No idea where to aim until we find out how he's come back. I'm going down to see him in a week or two so maybe more then.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/11/2007 10:17 PM
GoBaggers,
had no idea you had one, best of luck with it, keep us informed.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/11/2007 10:28 PM
Of course, just trying to keep your secret.


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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 9/12/2007 11:39 AM
Zucchini starts work this weekend, her last chance.
If she does not measure up this time over here I wouldn't mind sending her to Adelaide but will see what happens.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 9/12/2007 12:52 PM
How does she look Geo??
 
I always remember you saying that she is a little on the small side and needs to put on some muscle.....Is this the case??
 
If  you end up sending her to Adelaide I know of a guy who maybe interested....Actually he quite often posts on here doesn't he longneck????

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 9/12/2007 2:12 PM
Yeah still a little worried in that area, she will be just a horse that doesn't put on much beef.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/12/2007 2:27 PM
I'm just not sure who you are referring to Denzel

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 9/24/2007 1:51 PM
Denzel,
 
Thought you might like to read this.  Won very easily I thought.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 9/24/2007 8:03 PM
Thanks Geo....
 
OUCH.........Just some ordinary decisions were made by people who you rely on to get the job done for you and give you advice as an owner.......
 
You can only make these decisions based on more qualified information.....Looks like this one could turn out a very ordinary decision.....

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 9/25/2007 10:25 AM
denzel,
I didn't post that in a way to offend you, I hope you didn't take it that way, I apologise if I did offend you..

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/25/2007 9:07 PM
Geo, I did not read it like that, I am sure denzel did not either, it is funny how OUCH, without emotion can be taken different ways.
Denzel, how is that yearling  (now 2yr old) going?
I just got the confirmation our yearling (now 2yr old) is called "Our Sir Drinksalot"
He has been in Adelaide for a week and a tiny bit, but will keep you guys informed.
 

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From: vorogue Sent: 9/26/2007 12:41 AM
Ciao For Now went pretty good tonight in Harvey race 6, considering it was the 50-1 outsider of the field, was 3 back pegs in running, got out late and flashed up to run a close 4th, and it was the 3 favs that ran in front of it. Never heard of the driver before Tim Stone, but he did nothing wrong on it.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 9/26/2007 10:02 AM
I heard the race Vo and it does appear he needs to be driven cold, his last run after sitting in the death was hopeless. Last nights race would have been down in class also I suspect.
 

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From: vorogue Sent: 10/20/2007 1:14 AM
CIAO FOR NOW just won race 5 at NARROGIN from the pole in a field of 8, and paid $17.80 a win, it led all the way...never looked like losing, fav sat in the death and the driver Tim Stone arrogantly sat up on the leader so as not to let the 3rd fav out, who was sitting behind him.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 10/22/2007 3:42 PM
Yeah and could not get a bet on in SA (unitab) not covering the meeting.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 10/22/2007 3:51 PM
What happened to Changeover today??? He only ran 4th!!

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From: vorogue Sent: 10/22/2007 6:00 PM
 
Changeover led, pressured in last lap by Flashing Red who also capitulated, won by the fresh swooper at 40-1 TRIBUTE, Changeover was beaten 4 lengths and driver David Butcher quizzed about his LACK OF VIGOUR in the final part of the race when he was swamped  Monkey King was a $7 chance and completely bungled the start.
 
Race 6 RX PLASTICS ASHBURTON FLYING STAKES FFA PACE 8 or more Wins FFA P 2400 m Index
Stake: $60000.00
Track: FAST Weather: FINE
# Name Jockey/Driver/Trainer  Win  Place
7 Tribute David Earnshaw  37.00  5.30
9 Waipawa Lad Mark Jones    4.30
1 Classic Cullen Mark Purdon    1.90

Bet Type Runners Dividend
Quinella 7, 9 246.30
Double 3, 7 83.10
Double 3, 9 26.30
Trifecta 7:9:1 4147.90

ALSO RAN: 4-Changeover-David Butcher (3.9L),
14-Foreal-Jim Curtin (6.4L),
12-Flashing Red-Anthony Butt (6.7L),
11-It's Ella-David Butt (8.3L),
10-Howard Bromac-Kirk Larsen (11L),
8-Likmesiah-Grant Payne (11.1L),
2-I'm A Dazzler-Peter Davis (11.2L),
13-Monkey King-Steven Reid (17.5L),
3-Sly Flyin-Tony Herlihy (45L).

Note: Numbers shown are the distance from winner in lengths.
Winning Margins: 1L, 1-1/4L, 1-1/2L
Trainer: Tim Butt & Phillip Anderson, Templeton
Breeding: 6 h In The Pocket-Going Royce
Scratched: 5-Presido, 6-Nursemaid.
SUB: 4
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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/4/2007 6:52 PM
My 2yr old just back in work, hopefully going around early march (graduate pace) but whole reason for the post, has anyone else got one going sooner??
Geo?
Denzel, that secret yearling? I mean now 2 yr old?
 

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 12/5/2007 8:00 AM
That 'secret' 3yo that i have an interest in :-) has come back good and is running friday night ballarat in the 3yo race. It's a decent step up in grade so we'll see how he goes, but you dont want to die wondering, so we're making the trip up the highway to ballarat and i have my fingers crossed he'll do well. He's only a little fella but you know ya gotta be in it to win it!

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 12/5/2007 2:06 PM
Longneck,
Not at moment mate.  Still trying to sort her out a bit.  Prob still 4 - 6 weeks away I would reckon.  Plus she had the EI injection today so have to give her an easy week now.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 12/6/2007 10:24 PM
Hmmm....Baggers
Process of elimination I think....
 
Form Horse Trainer Other Eng. Driver   Class  Hcp
1 6429s JARC ONE A A Herbertson Michael Munro 3A0 3MA0  FR1
2 2 THE RED OPAL P A Rowse Jodi Quinlan 3A0 3MA0  FR2
3 93s21 TEAR IT ALL AWAY G F Webster Geoff Webster 3A1 3MA0  FR3
4 9s211 JENNAS FETISH D A Murphy David Murphy 3A2 3MA0  FR4
5 114s1 NORMIE NZ L J Justice Lance Justice 3A3 3MA0  FR5
6 42191 JILLIBY HERBIE P G Manning Matthew Craven 3A4 3MA0  FR6
7 311 HOUDINI R A Payne Ross Payne ODM 3A2 3MA0  FR7

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 12/7/2007 8:42 AM
If you did a search of my posts you'd probably know which horse it is. I've coped better this week than last week, but now starting to get a bit nervous waiting for the race to come tonight. Just hope he runs well, doesn't have to win, I'll be happy if he can get into the placings. Tonight tells us a lot about where he sits i reckon, if he's capable of melbourne city class racing or not. Fingers crossed guys!

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/7/2007 8:45 AM
Go the pole horse

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 12/7/2007 11:46 AM
Ours is the 3, ok 7hrs to go i'm feeling nervous now. :-)

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/7/2007 12:31 PM
Gobaggers, did not do my research well enough, I saw the pole horse was beaten into second by about 6 lenghts (as per one of your previous posts I thought that was it)
I have had a couple of horses with Webster and trust me you are in very good hands. He should go well. Have a couple of beers, it gets rid of a few nerves and passes the time by.
Good luck I will put something on him.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 12/7/2007 2:41 PM
Good luck baggers!!

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 12/7/2007 4:07 PM
 
Wow...Out of a nice 50k winning sub 2.00.0 mare....
 
Just wondering how the naming come about Baggers?
Also, do you know what happend to the earlier foal which was out of a boom sire...??
 
Good Luck tonight ....

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 12/7/2007 4:55 PM
I just informed the other owner I'm not going to ballarat to watch him, I'm too nervous and I'll hate the long drive home if he goes bad. So here i am sitting at home, pacing the deck, up and down the hallway, i'm a bloody wreck i've never been like this before any of my other horse's races. I cant help it but i'll be devestated if he doesn't run well, dont know why, maybe it's because i know he has plenty of ability.

LLD the name was from the other owner, he just liked the sound of it. I nominated him to be called "In the Octagon" but i reckon Tear it all away is a good name too. Earlier foal apparently was a bit nutty and tried to do a backflip a week before the sales, broke his neck and died. Bit of a tragedy.

Fingers crossed  :censored:  i'm nervous. (excuse the french)

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From: MSN Nicknametriple-7- Sent: 12/7/2007 4:57 PM
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From: vorogue Sent: 12/8/2007 12:00 AM
real good run, led early, took the sit behind the odds on fav, peeled out on the turn and although never really looked like running Normie down, easily held 2nd 
 

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07 Dec 2007 COLIN & HEATHER HOLLOWAY 3YO CLASSIC 3MA. M/S
RADIO TAB 4-5-3 2200M OVERCAST GOOD
5   NORMIE 1.90 1.30  
3   TEAR IT ALL AWAY 2.00  
7   HEI HOUDINI NTD  
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QN 3* 5 8.70  
EX 5* 3 12.90  
TF 5* 3* 7 28.30  
No.   Name 6:54 Win Plc   Driver  H/C Draw   L3S Rtng
1   JARC ONE 18.3 38.3 6.6   MICHAEL MUNRO   429 52
2   THE RED OPAL 10.6 9.0 4.8   JODI QUINLAN   2 75
3   TEAR IT ALL AWAY 5.0 7.1 2.0   GEOFF WEBSTER   321 100
4   JENNAS FETISH 4.3 5.4 3.3   DAVID MURPHY   211 93
5   NORMIE 2.4 1.9 1.3   LANCE JUSTICE   141 95
6   JILLIBY HERBIE 19.5 33.0 6.2   MATTHEW CRAVEN   191 76
7   HEI HOUDINI 7.3 5.9 3.2   ROSS PAYNE ODM   311 98

UNiTAB Pool Totals
WN $15805 QN $1059 EX $861
PL $2892 (NTD) TF $4716


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From: MSN NicknameAntitab Sent: 12/8/2007 6:32 AM
I think you have run into a very good horse.
 
The people that purchased Normie   from NZ are the same people that bought  The Falcoln Strike over and  only buy horses that are potential Grand Circuit horses.

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I haven't seen the replay yet but at the time i thought the horse in the death hung around longer than we would've liked, not that it would've made a difference to the result but we didn't end up peeling off Normie's back to get a crack at him until after straightening. For a stride or two before the turn I thought we were going as good or better than the leader and that we'd be a big chance if he got out for a clear run. Also Geoff was pretty kind to him, didn't go mad hitting him or anything, and we beat home the horse that rolled us at Geelong 2 starts back, so that was good. I agree the winner looks like a good one, but who knows if he draws the back and gets some average luck, and the breaks go our way, we might be able to sneak a little bit of revenge on him too one day.

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 12/8/2007 8:44 AM
Very proud of the horse too just quietly. He's only small but he's a tough little bugger.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 12/9/2007 8:20 PM
He did get a good run Gogbaggers, but he also cleary got second and there were some well performed horses in the race. Now this only serves to make you more nervous next time. Well done, happy for you.
 

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From: arakaan Sent: 12/9/2007 8:48 PM
chased home a very good horse and held 2nd well. Plenty of fun to be had with this one under the great Geoff Webster in the cart. (although I apparently have no idea at all what i'm talking about. )

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From: vorogue Sent: 12/10/2007 3:32 PM
hey Byalongneck did u get on this thing today ?
 

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RADIO TAB 1-9-3-2 IAN HUMPHRIES 1-3-8-2 1100M FINE GOOD(3)
5   LONGNECK 23.40 4.60  
1   MAGIC HONOUR 2.00  
3   VAN STRAALEN 2.30  
SCR 7 12 13 18
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Unfortunately did not look at TAB paper today, wish I did.
 

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From: vorogue Sent: 12/15/2007 8:59 PM
Hey GoBaggers, they'll be shoving chequebooks in your face anytime soon after tonights devastating win by NORMIE, ran into a wind coming home his last half in about 57
 
 

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RADIO TAB 6-7-2-4 2100M OVERCAST GOOD
6   NORMIE 1.60 1.30  
5   TANABI BROMAC 3.00  
7   SLEDGING NTD  
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QN 5* 6 3.60  
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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/8/2008 3:13 PM
denzel,
 
I see the sister to Johnny ran 2nd yesterday at it's first start.  Wasn't a bad run either.  Should go ok in the $25,000 final on Sat night.  Not bad for a $12,000 purchase

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 1/9/2008 12:56 PM
Thanks Geo..
Didn't know she was running....We went to sales last year with the intention of buying her but she was really small...Went in and thought if she went cheap would get her...Pulled out of the bidding at 9000 and you are right she went for 12000....It was only her size that put us off....
 
Won't go into the long story but we ended up buying a trotter (Who knows why)..Got into a bidding war with Chris Lang's big owner so that was a good sign that he liked him also...Sort of goes ok with the trotters does Chris Lang.... He is coming along ok so will keep you informed of his progress in coming months...For Longneck he is by Sundon, out of Majestic Maori...Has just been named, which is another story but lets just say he was the biggest and best looking trotter at the sales....

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/9/2008 2:08 PM
Yes he was actually, a real strong looking type, I remember looking at him, he stuck out I thought amongst the trotters there.
 
Are you going back to sales this year, I will be there prob sinking some of those crownies they have on ice!!

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 1/10/2008 8:19 PM
BAGGERS...
Awesome run tonight......Kept it very quiet....
 
Hope you just have to return the money to your bank manager in the morning....
 
Well Done...
 
Geo...
Not sure about sales this year....I am like people who go to crown casino and have put myself on the self exclusion list as i keep paying for those ice cold crownies you drink each year....
Have thought this previous years but can't help myself...I feel like those moth's in "Bug's life" that keep flying into the light when they know the outcome is ordinary...
Will let you know though as would be great to catch up over one of those beers...

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 1/11/2008 10:21 AM
Thanks mate yeah he did good didnt he. I couldn't make it as i have 2 little kids and a night race is only ok if it's close to home, so had to settle for sky at home. Man did i shout i went silly and my daughter laughed her head off at my antics. Yeah didnt stop there though then i shouted myself a few beers then bundys and coke. Now i'm hungover as hell and i didnt even go out anywhere!

Pity he pulled at MV a few starts back, i think he could've run a place but it wasnt to be. Fingers crossed he keeps improving as he grows and learns more.

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From: MSN NicknameTheFireman111x111 Sent: 1/11/2008 11:57 AM
Congrats Baggers ...well done!


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From: vorogue Sent: 1/12/2008 7:51 AM
You will no doubt take an interest in tonight's South Australian pacers derby, it sees the clash of Mafioso (Group one Gav) and NORMIE (Lance Justice) I saw the early betting on the race and they have Mafioso at $1.40 and Normie at around $3.50...only because he's drawn the 2nd line i dare say. If Normie happens to win, that'll send the stocks of yours soaring

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 1/13/2008 6:42 AM
Something not right with Normie he's better than that. Last start he beat the 2nd horse home in a canter by 18m, last night he gets beat by it by 40m. A 58m turnaround?

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From: vorogue Sent: 1/24/2008 7:08 PM
that was ARROGANT by Geoffrey Webster, this horse is a future star for sure, 2nd line....no problem
 

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24 Jan 2008 GEORGE CROXFORD TRIBUTE (2ND HEAT) 3A0 TO 3A2. M/S
RADIO TAB 7-9-2 2170M OVERCAST GOOD
9   TEAR IT ALL AWAY 3.20 1.20  
2   LADY OCTAVIA 1.70  
7   CAPTIAN CULLEN 1.20  
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TF 9* 2* 7 19.90

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From: arakaan Sent: 1/24/2008 7:13 PM
back to back wins. congrats gobaggers.

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 1/25/2008 8:33 AM
Vo dont put any mozz on him please! He's not a future star just yet, he's a nice 3yo but he's still got to learn how to relax when he's driven out hard. And he has to prove he can go with the likes of Maffioso, Normie, Watchmefella, Flightpath and co. I dont think he's in their league yet but I guess you never know what can happen in the future. This might be as good as he ever gets, you just never know.

But for the time being I just can't believe my luck that the first horse i've ever been involved in turned out to be him.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/25/2008 9:35 AM
Well done baggers.
Great to see you have success like this with ya first one.

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From: vorogue Sent: 1/25/2008 11:01 AM
just telling it like it is GoBaggers, he sustained quite a long run, and in the process ran down the 6/4 fav which has good wraps on it Captain Cullen, and also passed Lady Octavia who was around 11/4 and had won $39k in prizemoney and had more race experience. G. Webster doesn't hurt his chances of improving either

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 1/25/2008 12:08 PM
Final of this series is at Echuca, and it's PBD so we'll get outside of the back row again. I heard Echuca is a dump of a track and we'll require a good dose of luck to not get posted 6 wide coming round the last turn. Fingers crossed but it doesn't sound good, I'm not really expecting to win. What do you guys know about the Echuca track? I just hope he doesnt hurt himself. You wouldn't believe how much all the owners love this horse.

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From: arakaan Sent: 1/25/2008 12:14 PM
well on what I've seen of Echuca at those sunday twilights I'd suggest get to the front of the train as quick as possible.
 
Looks like a throwback to the 60's and 70's when I see it's layout.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 1/29/2008 11:26 AM
Well done Baggers, I have been on holidays have not had internet access but good to see one of us is getting a winner.
Geo and Denzel, when are the sales on, I missed the Adelaide one. Are the previous years results on HRV website (I will look myself but probably wont find) as it is nice to know if I can come up with some cash if it is worth it or my small cash wont buy anything worth while.
Long trip to Vic, so if I do go I might have to get a hotel room for the night and partake in some of those ice cold crownies.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/29/2008 11:43 AM
If you go to www.apgold.com.au you will see previous years results.
 
For this years Adelaide results use the below link.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 1/29/2008 11:45 AM
I'll probably head down Friday night for the yearling parade and then Happy Hour to partake in a couple of beverages.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 2/1/2008 9:29 PM
Was there all day today, i'm buggered.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/1/2008 11:04 PM
Geo, Baggers or anyone going to sales tomorrow....Send me an email and will catch up for a beer in between going stall to stall...
 
Didn't take much coaxing so will be there looking to get a nice little yearling if the right one is avaliable...
 
Will be interesting and actually tipping it to be a good sale for buyers as expect there to be alot less money around......Will def be some passed in or sold very very cheap...
 
Fired up after doing form tonight....APG even sent me a DVD with the horses on it and a book.....Happy to send the DVD to anyone who wants a look...
 
Happy Bidding

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 2/1/2008 11:15 PM
i'm still up doing the internet research on service fees and broodmare history! Got a few picked out and gunna try and have a crack tomorrow. I hope you're right about the prices but i doubt it, the top lot in perth recently went for 125k, jeez lets hope all that mining money stays over west hey.


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« 2008-Dec-10, 07:52 AM Reply #22 »
 
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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/2/2008 7:39 AM
denzel,
 
seny u an email

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/2/2008 5:41 PM
Geo...
Didn't get the email as left early to look at a few...
Ended up buying one (was probably a $1.05 chance)...
 
Had a couple of crownies and looked out for you but no luck..
 
We bought lot 95 a trotter by Earl out of a sister to Sundon which looks a nice racey type...
 
Did you look at the trotters this year? Did you buy any yourself?
 
Anyone who couldn't make it "i think" the 2 top buys until i left were sister to Safari that fetched $52000 and a sister to By My Side with went for $44000
 
Will be interested to see final figures as looked like a buyers market but then some you shook ya head at that fetched close to 20k...
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 2/2/2008 9:32 PM
I think the top lot was a christian cullen colt 100 grand by tonkin. Paid for by dudes running round with wads of cash in satchels. Not suss at all.

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From: wily Sent: 2/3/2008 2:44 PM
I'm looking to buy one at the Syndey sales
 
Do you guys remember a horse called Mark Craig?
 
He was stiff in the Derby won by Golden reign who he got the better of on occasions.
He was a gun 3 & 4yo.
Never heard of him much after that
 
There one in the sydney sales from his family.
 
Any breeding gurus out there?

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/4/2008 8:25 AM
denzel,
Well what a day that was.
Went there with a few in mind, pacers this time as only liked one trotter and I knew thay wanted too much for it.  The one by Mr Lavec out of Late Withdrawl.
Bidded on a few only to get done, mostly by Andy and Tonkin's.
Well anyway the women folk (who we had sent shopping earlier) turned up later in the day.  By that time we were getting quite shaky on the feet due to Crownieitis.  We went inside to sit down.  Anyway what should walk in but a bloody chestnut filly with a very light mane etc.
Well that was it, they wanted it so I said I will only bid $4,000 and if anyone bids that's it.  Knowing our luck no one else bid for it and we got stuck with it, much to the excitement of the ladies.
So we walked outside and told my mate what we had done, he nearly died.
 
Lot 259 by Totally Western out of Natures Own.
Sent up to Tim O'Briens and Brooke Hansen to get broken in.
At least we got the hats and the holter I suppose!!
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/4/2008 11:24 AM
Geo..
LOL....Awesome..
I had a look at the book at IMO you got a fantasic buy....Out of a strong family...
There is a video on the APG site of her and is that Gary Graham (Pretty sure you would know him) leading her on the video???
 
The trotter you liked was the "National Interest" family and I only looked at him passing by as knew Sheron Park would want to keep him and either bid you up or just be a "Buy back".....
 
Tonkin and crew were buying quiet a few on the day i saw....You had no hope if were bidding against them....
 
I actually thought you may have been really interested in Lot 52 Elsu/Pumpkin colt...I think he went for around the 16k mark....Was a really nice type...
 
Was great weather to have a beer there.....Remember "Got to be in it to win it"..

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/4/2008 11:45 AM
I had a look at the Pumpkin colt, was a nice type.
Yeah Gary Graham prepared her for the sale.  Yeah I do know him.  Her brother actually goes nice for a young 2yo apparantly but will see what happens.  We are hopeful of getting the name Pure Blonde.  Will fit into where she is going to be worked from as they had the horse Enjoy a Crownie (before he broke down and had to be put down) and Enjoy a Champers who is still racing.
Sheron Park always do that.  I think they must just take them there in the hope one day someone will pay way too much for one.
It's good to see the sales average was up over 19%, good surprise actually.
I didn't mind that one you bought either.  Looked a nice type.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/4/2008 12:04 PM
Did not get there guys.
I am actually looking at buying one from NZ, big dollars, but I guess you know it can run at least.  Horse is called Lorenzo Bromac. Ran 6th at first start, sitting in death and only beaten about 3.4 lengths.
I think it is in on Wednesday, but I have to investigate how to listen to it on the net.
I looked up the race on the NZ harness site and saw a fair bit of it, but it is pretty poor download.
Any thoughts, success stories or failures anyone has experienced in doing the same?
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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 2/4/2008 12:36 PM
Had a lot of fun at my first sales, felt like i looked at a thousand horses do the walk and trot thing. I ended up buying lot 254, i'll let you know in a year or so whether that was a good move or not. Fingers crossed for all of us hopefully someone got a champion.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/4/2008 1:18 PM
Baggers,
That wasn't you I met in the admin office when we were paying for them was it?

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/4/2008 1:21 PM
It was good when the NZ horses where a bit cheaper as you could get them and make money out of them.
Bought three from NZ cheap, this is a while ago though.
2 were nice horses and the other was a bit of a flop but still got one race out of it

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 2/4/2008 1:26 PM
geo i actually had to leave early so wasnt there to bid or to pay. a friend of mine did that all for me, dont know if he chatted to anyone in the office. He rang after he'd finished and it was 7pm! Cant believe it went that late.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/4/2008 1:28 PM
Oh ok.
I was chatting to a bloke that was paying up for that horse.
It was earlier than last year.  I think we got out of there around 9pm last year.

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 2/4/2008 1:54 PM
was he wearing a cap? Shortish guy about 5ft 9' or so? if so then that's the guy who bid/paid for mine.


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« 2008-Dec-10, 07:53 AM Reply #23 »
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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/4/2008 1:55 PM
Yep that's the one.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/4/2008 6:59 PM
Longneck....
Did some quick research and he is the 13th foal out of a mare called "Laura Rose"..
 
Pretty strong family so know he wouldn't be a cheapie....
 
How much do they charge to get one to Aus these days???
 
With sperm so easy transported I think is a big reason why going across and buying them has slowed as we have access to so many stallions...
 
When you add the cost of the trip across and the purchase price and the shipment to get one back, You really need a good one to make it all worth it....Plenty have tried...
 
Good Luck If you go ahead ....

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/4/2008 8:02 PM
No change from 5k for the transport (by plane)

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/5/2008 10:50 AM
Longneck....
Obviously you would be looking to race him in vic and send him to Webster or similar because i just did some quick calculations and if you payed 30k for one and raced him in SA....
With declining prizemoney there, you would break even when he was 29y/o and a C90/M70.....

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/5/2008 1:01 PM
denzel,
well worked out, you are right about the prize money. However I would intend to let the father in law (who has been ill) have some fun with him first.
Would be interested to know what a reasonable price would be (in peoples opinion) to get a guide as to if I am paying too much.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/5/2008 1:04 PM
Also denzel, very reluctant to buy a horse off the trading ring. I have seen a few $10,000 horses suddely lose 200 metres in pace when they are sold.
Would rather spend a bit extra to get a young one which is not up to derby competition.  However I do realise it is still a risk, the horse may have a problem, you just can't tell. I guess even buying a yearling you have the possibility they have a lung problem that will prevent them from running any good or they may just have no ability.

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/5/2008 1:20 PM
Longneck,
You should be able to pick up something that goes ok for around the $30k mark.
If you know someone over in NZ to go drive them and look them over with vet etc that is always helpful.
 
 
 

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From: wily Sent: 2/5/2008 2:27 PM
From: wily Sent: 2/3/2008 3:44 PM
I'm looking to buy one at the Syndey sales
 
Do you guys remember a horse called Mark Craig?
 
He was stiff in the Derby won by Golden reign who he got the better of on occasions.
He was a gun 3 & 4yo.
Never heard of him much after that
 
There one in the sydney sales from his family.
 
Any breeding gurus out there?
 
 
Any thoughts out there?

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/5/2008 7:07 PM
wily,
can't help you.
Geo, I am doing a lot better with the price, hope that does not mean it will go bad.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/5/2008 9:11 PM
Wily,
I did assume you know how to look up breeding on the harness racing site, if not let us know and most of us could assist you there.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 2/6/2008 6:35 AM
geo what do you look like? (don't tell me, brad pitt right?)

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/6/2008 8:41 AM
I am tallish around 6 ft 2.
You could say I am carrying a little weight (should give up the crownies)
Dark brown hair and darkish complexion, I had a jim beam shirt on the other day.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/6/2008 3:28 PM
Having a big rethink now. Lorenzo Bromac finished 17L last today.  There were excuses, he was last and was pushed out three wide and then sprinted around field to the front. Was then tackled in straight and with about 200m to go was probably only 2L off them, but then stopped completely.  Lot of money to pay for a horse that stopped like that even with the excuses.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/6/2008 3:44 PM
Longneck,
What was your approx spending on this NZ horse??
 
I wouldn't go to trading ring either....If i was wanting to get one to have some fun with and that has ability and racing I would do this...
 
If you were paying 5k to get one here then you would want to be spending over 20k.. I would start watching races everywhere and come up with a list of ones you think go ok but are trained by dud trainers and can be improved...You can easy pick one up here for 20-30k mark thats going ok if you talk to people and do plenty of research...
Even if you just want one for your father in law to have fun with over there then why don't you have a look at Vic Claiming races with the prospect to take back to SA??

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/6/2008 7:30 PM
denzel,
thanks for the advice, I do take it all in. I do not have any contacts in Vic. I think the worry with claimers is there are that many people over here that claim horses and they are already fast class usually. I would think for 20k you should be able to get a reasonable horse without being a champ.  I have one of my trainers in Adelaide put me onto another contact in NZ but I will keep looking.
 


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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/6/2008 8:42 PM
Gee Longneck....
With 20k in your kick and a father in law to train the horse you should have been straight to Melb yearling sales and bought 2 or 3....Put them in the paddock and given him one at a time to muck around with....
 
Now thats where you could come across a good one....3 chances I would think 1 would make it, but who knows....All 3 could have.....

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From: MSN NicknameGoBaggers Sent: 2/7/2008 8:58 AM
Now i know why people say Echuca is a shit track.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/7/2008 3:02 PM
Denzel,
I am with you on that, but I think the general feeling is get him one that is going just in case something happens to him (none of us are getting any younger)
I did see an advert on the Greame Board (not sure of his last name) for a mare with filly foal at foot (to million to one) and in foal to Elsu for $25000 complete package.
First foal from mare won 94k and second 53k.  Has had another couple. Tried to talk she who must be obeyed into that but Noooo Biingo.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/7/2008 9:25 PM
Longneck...
WOW.....Had a look and someone I know really well owns one of the foals called Rebecca Don....She is a grey by Jet Laag and def has some ability...(She is in at Terang on Sat night if you want to watch).....
 
I actually think that if you knew you could get a few filly's from her then you would do well at sales each year....
You should get some champers into the wifeeee and ask again....I am sure they would probably accept less if you took a stand...

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/7/2008 10:16 PM
denzel,
you are on the same wave lenght as me. I wish I could convince the president, but we will see.
If you have and interest in buying this with me let me know. I know my brother in law is into the breeding and if I said look after the mare and foals for nothing and then you get the next one to sell he would see the money signs and I would have that base covered.
I just would not like to give up the filly and the Elsu (colt or filly) because as you know they are a good chance of being good.
Anyway, let me know if you and Geo want to go thirds and I would gladly do it
and break those two in as cheap as I can.
We would break them in train them up and a couple of races and the rest is up to Geo
That just sounds so easy does it not.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/7/2008 10:19 PM
Maybe Gobaggers, now having some success will be sucked in, I mean he would see the obvious profits to be made.
Are there any more emotions I can use  there is another, I hope that is not it for the year.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/8/2008 9:34 AM
Longneck,
I know the mare pretty well actually.  For some reason she clicks really well with Jet Laag and the good ones are the fillies.
I actually looked at buying Rebecca Don when it was at the Yearling Sales.
Will be interesting to see what the Million to One is like as both he and Elsu are by Falcon Seelster.

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/8/2008 9:49 AM
Longneck...
Sorry buddy, As much as i would like to as i really like the idea but will have to give it a miss this time....Have the 2yo and the new yearling now so thats enough at the moment for me....I am just hoping that in 18 months time i have both these running around and then will reassess.....
 
If the Elsu turned out to be a filly i think she would go through the Melb APG sales for 15-20k min for just her....Your added bonus is if you can cut down the rearing fees of the foals then it's huge.....You seem to have a pretty good network of people over there that can help so you should see what you could raise together ..
Any mare that can produce a foal that wins 21 races by CHANDON then must be outstanding quality producer...

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From: MSN NicknameBancoora Sent: 2/8/2008 9:52 AM
Longneck,
 
Rebecca Don went for $11,000 at 2006 sales. Has had 5 starts for 1 win. $5,700 prizemoney so far.
Five Old Tellers went for $8,000 at 2007 sales. Unraced but did run 7th of 9 at Geelong trials 23/12/2007. Trained by John Justice.
I hope this helps.

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/8/2008 9:32 PM
Geo, Denzel and Bancoora,
thanks for the replies, all have helped.
I will let you know what happens either way.
Still flat out dealing in NZ.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/11/2008 7:08 PM
Went for Lorenzo Bromac at a much reduced price and with the change bought Fiery Escapade. Any thoughts on him Geo/Denzel.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamelookslikedenzel Sent: 2/11/2008 7:37 PM
Well done longneck....
Fiery Escapade.....Any horse that can win going 2.00.01 over 2100 sitting in the breeze has to have plenty of ability....Will have plenty of wins in SA if you get him anywhere near that especially only a C2.....
 
Must have had plenty of change as usually people don't sell horses that are so low in class and won 2 of their last 3.....
 
Have to keep us updated on both horses...

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From: MSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 2/11/2008 8:28 PM
I was concerned coming from Manning Denzel. Not many horses come from him as good or better. I picked him up for 3k.
 

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From: MSN NicknameGeokel2 Sent: 2/12/2008 8:19 AM
Fiery Escapade will be a nice horse in SA.
Charlton is a quick track but still to go 2 minutes over that distance means the horse has something to work with.
From memory I think he is quite a tough horse who does struggle to run a really quick quarter but driving him tough best suits him, he will run 29 - 30 qtrs all day.
Not a bad buy at all Longneck.
 



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