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O.P. « 2008-Dec-25, 02:51 PM »
What is wrong with the sprint lane and why does Tappy hate it so much ?
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« 2009-Jan-03, 03:52 AM Reply #1 »
it means nobody wants to lead, and average horses can take the soft option and wait for the sprint lane rather than doing any work. No skill required. I hate the sprint lane, my interest in harness has fallen away massively since they brought them in.

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« 2009-Jan-03, 08:22 AM Reply #2 »
I wish there was a sprint lane at menangle yesterday :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears: :tears:

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« 2009-Jan-03, 08:29 AM Reply #3 »
 :shy: I thought this was a thread that was going to die a slow death.

Why are Harness racing tracks so much tighter and smaller than thoroughbred race tracks ?

I would have thought there is nothing more frustrating than seeing your investment stuck in on the fance with nowhere to go, mucg like it seems wily is saying.

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« 2009-Jan-03, 08:47 AM Reply #4 »
Does anyone have any figures on how many horses use the sprint lane to win?  From my (admittedly casual) observations, there are not that many.  I used to have a theory that horses did not like passing others on the inside?  Anyway, I can't agree with those who dislike the sprint lane, on the small courses we run on it is absurd that half the field gets bottled away in every race.  Maybe they could do away with the sprint lane, but only run one line of horses off the mobile.

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« 2009-Jan-03, 08:52 AM Reply #5 »
If race are truely run gaps will open.
Look at HP, tight track no sprint lane and one of the best spots to be is often 3 back the pegs.

The gaps come more often than they don't.

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« 2009-Jan-07, 11:04 AM Reply #6 »
If race are truely run gaps will open.
Look at HP, tight track no sprint lane and one of the best spots to be is often 3 back the pegs.

The gaps come more often than they don't.
Disagree with this, sooner they get away from HP the better.

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« 2009-Jan-07, 01:38 PM Reply #7 »
thats right GB and they go to Menangle and once again no sprint lane.

NSW and WA deserve credit for having no cheat lanes.  emthup

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« 2009-Jan-07, 02:31 PM Reply #8 »
John Tapp can think what he likes I understand his point of view but respectfully disagree. In my opinion the sprint lane is not a bad thing for harness racing, I like the fact horses one and two back the rails still have an excellent chance of winning the race. The ideal track I reckon would be 1200m circumference with decent grading on the turns and a sprint lane, might not necessarily suit the leaders as much but it'd give the ones further back and those on the inside every chance to have their crack. Harness racing shouldn't just be about beginning fast then slowing them up then dashing for home. Just my opinion.

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« 2009-Jan-07, 02:48 PM Reply #9 »
Harness racing shouldn't just be about beginning fast then slowing them up then dashing for home. Just my opinion.

OK I'm   :lol: . That is exactly what a sprint lane creates.

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« 2009-Jan-07, 02:56 PM Reply #10 »
The sprint lane is only relatively new in terms of the history of Harness racing isn't it ?

Why did they bring it in ?

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« 2009-Jan-07, 08:06 PM Reply #11 »
Harness racing shouldn't just be about beginning fast then slowing them up then dashing for home. Just my opinion.

OK I'm   :lol: . That is exactly what a sprint lane creates.
if the sprint lane didnt create more opportunity for the horses that werent just jack rabits out then you wouldnt be whinging.

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« 2009-Jan-07, 08:28 PM Reply #12 »
no sprint lane gives the death horse incentive to apply more pressure knowing if it at least gets the leader done the others on the fence are not rewarded with sydney heads opening up on straightening.

Horss can come 3 wide knowing if they get the front 2 in trouble once again the others on the fence are not rewarded with sydney heads opening up on straightening.

hmm seeing a pattern here. Could that pattern at least lead to more truely run races as opposed to 400-500m dashes home 75-80% of the time.  ;)

And why shouldn't horses who work out of the gate get benefit.

Sprint lanes rewarding the mediocre and bludgers 24/7.   emthdown

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« 2009-Jan-08, 09:38 AM Reply #13 »
What I hate about them is how they sell the naming rights then get the caller to say ....... " Speedy is in front, Bludger is camped right behind waiting for the 'Taco Den has extra spicy sauce this week sprint lane" ...... makes my head explode every time.  :rant:




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« 2009-Jan-08, 10:04 AM Reply #14 »
no sprint lane gives the death horse incentive to apply more pressure knowing if it at least gets the leader done the others on the fence are not rewarded with sydney heads opening up on straightening.

Horss can come 3 wide knowing if they get the front 2 in trouble once again the others on the fence are not rewarded with sydney heads opening up on straightening.

hmm seeing a pattern here. Could that pattern at least lead to more truely run races as opposed to 400-500m dashes home 75-80% of the time.  ;)

And why shouldn't horses who work out of the gate get benefit.

Sprint lanes rewarding the mediocre and bludgers 24/7.   emthdown

Lets not forget this isnt the gallops our horses have carts behind them and they wear a shitload more gear it isnt as easy to push out or create a gap, wheels get locked etc. So many times i have cursed a horse i backed getting blocked in and not even a chance at any stage, doesnt happen as often with sprint lanes.

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« 2009-Jan-08, 11:17 AM Reply #15 »
What I hate about them is how they sell the naming rights then get the caller to say ....... " Speedy is in front, Bludger is camped right behind waiting for the 'Taco Den has extra spicy sauce this week sprint lane" ...... makes my head explode every time.  :rant:






  :lol:    :lol:    :lol:    :lol:    :lol:  

But otherwise you think its fine ?

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« 2009-Jan-08, 11:28 AM Reply #16 »
I don't really have a opinion apart from that ............ my doctors have advised me not to bet on trotting races.
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« 2009-Jan-08, 05:19 PM Reply #17 »
no sprint lane gives the death horse incentive to apply more pressure knowing if it at least gets the leader done the others on the fence are not rewarded with sydney heads opening up on straightening.

Horss can come 3 wide knowing if they get the front 2 in trouble once again the others on the fence are not rewarded with sydney heads opening up on straightening.

hmm seeing a pattern here. Could that pattern at least lead to more truely run races as opposed to 400-500m dashes home 75-80% of the time.  ;)

And why shouldn't horses who work out of the gate get benefit.

Sprint lanes rewarding the mediocre and bludgers 24/7.   emthdown

Lets not forget this isnt the gallops our horses have carts behind them and they wear a shitload more gear it isnt as easy to push out or create a gap, wheels get locked etc. So many times i have cursed a horse i backed getting blocked in and not even a chance at any stage, doesnt happen as often with sprint lanes.

instead of going around in circles we shall have to agree to disagree.

Wenona, I got a good chuckle out of Taco Den.  :lol:

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« 2009-Jan-12, 08:35 PM Reply #18 »
I did some study for 3weeks recorded every race in NSW and Vic. Leaders won roughly 65% per cent of races in NSW. The number was only about 40% in Victoria with only about 20% coming from leaders back. It might reward the weak squibs but it helps the sport not be so leader dominated.
And the 1-1 that every commentator says is the dream run provided less then 10%.

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« 2009-Jan-12, 08:43 PM Reply #19 »
I did some study for 3weeks recorded every race in NSW and Vic. Leaders won roughly 65% per cent of races in NSW. The number was only about 40% in Victoria with only about 20% coming from leaders back. It might reward the weak squibs but it helps the sport not be so leader dominated.
And the 1-1 that every commentator says is the dream run provided less then 10%.

At what point is a horse considered a leader? a lap out two laps out? Is something that leads for 300m then hands up a leader?

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« 2009-Jan-13, 12:01 AM Reply #20 »
I'm close friends of Kevin Newman (acclaimed one of the best best front running drivers to climb into a sulky), who stated when the sprint lane came out he was disgusted and would have given the game away had he been still driving at the time.

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« 2009-Jan-13, 06:09 PM Reply #21 »
Arakaan - One lap out.

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« 2009-Feb-07, 08:13 PM Reply #22 »
 :censored:  the sprint lane.


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