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Offline westie

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O.P. « 2007-Jul-06, 05:20 PM »
End is nigh for Harold Park
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Offline HorseWithNoName

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« 2007-Jul-08, 12:07 PM Reply #1 »
I don't know NSW Harness but what is wrong with Harold Park?  Is it a problem with the track?  Or a problem with location? Or facilities?

Menangle sounds as if it's way, way out the back of Bourke.

Moonee Valley and Albion Park are quite easy for people to reach by public transport if they want to go, so Menangle would have to be reasonably accessible by the punters.

Hope someone can enlighten me, if they don't mind.

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« 2008-Oct-26, 02:32 PM Reply #2 »
800 NSW Harness Racing Club members voted today on the fate of Harold Park Raceway in Glebe.  Menangle Park opened in June, will more than likely become the new home of NSW harness Racing.

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« 2008-Oct-26, 02:35 PM Reply #3 »
Harold Park Paceway Function Centre Menangle Markets

Camel Racing ?.

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« 2008-Oct-26, 07:05 PM Reply #4 »
HP is a small 800m track and as Menangle has shown, larger tracks will become the norm rather than the exception.  As for Menangle being out the back of nowhere, that is irrelevant--except for the BIG meetings at HP you could almost name every patron there and even their families.  Money for racing comes from TAB revenue.  Selling HP means that mimimum city prizemoney will increase sunstantially to $25,000, with a natural flow-on to country races--will bring more people into the industry and that can only be positive.  Ma current industry participants are based fairly close to Menangle anyway.

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« 2008-Nov-28, 10:55 AM Reply #5 »
Last Miracle at HP tonight.

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« 2008-Dec-18, 09:19 AM Reply #6 »
I don't know NSW Harness but what is wrong with Harold Park?  Is it a problem with the track?  Or a problem with location? Or facilities?

Menangle sounds as if it's way, way out the back of Bourke.

Moonee Valley and Albion Park are quite easy for people to reach by public transport if they want to go, so Menangle would have to be reasonably accessible by the punters.

Hope someone can enlighten me, if they don't mind.

Menagle does have a train station right outside the course. They will actually be able to cater for a Miracle Mile a bit better simply by the fact that race trains can move hundreds of people to the course and back at one time.
The track is on the outskirts of Sydney so it is a long haul for those wanting to go but crowds are not what makes the money anymore. The 1400 Menagle track is simply a better betting proposition that Harold Park and the money is in betting turnover.
I see you mentioned Moonee Valley , well next year they will start racing at Melton and eventually most of the saturday night mettings will be held there rather than Moone Valley. As far as public transport goes it will be ordinary trying to get out there as the station is a fair way from the track and its a V/Line serivce. The only good thing is the track is right next to the freeway so driving there is relatively easy but still a long trip for those in the Eastern suburbs.

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« 2008-Dec-18, 09:34 AM Reply #7 »
I am not too much of a trotting person but one of the reasons why Harold park is going is the locality. Harold Park is about 10 mins drive from Sydney's CBD and nearly all the runners who race at HP are trained outside the area. There are no such things as local horses racing at HP. So the question is why race at HP?

Menangle is past Campbelltown but you have to get off Campbelltown exit on the freeway and then travel past the Macarthur Shopping Centre on a one lane road to Menangle. I went to Menangle's opening with a few friends to the opening of the track as a novelty and it took almost a hour from the Campbelltown exit due to the 14000 strong. Normal journey is 10-15 mins drive at the most. It is a larger track than HP and has a much longer straight. Facilities wise, it is nothing compared to the racetrack.

By selling HP, the Harness Authority stands to around 100-150 million dollars. They want to invest this in prizemoney for sydney harness races. The other white elephant in Harness racing is Bankstown and it only races once or twice a week so we will see what happens in the future. 

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« 2008-Dec-20, 03:40 PM Reply #8 »
Thanks, Gammalite. Yes, trains can shift hundreds in very smart time and that's a huge plus. I did not realise that Sydney had an outer suburb called Menangle. It puts me in mind of country places such as Manangatang. Somehow it just doesn't seem sophisticated enough for Sydney.  :p

Jeunes, if you want to go again, take the tip from Gammalite and catch the train.

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« 2008-Dec-20, 05:03 PM Reply #9 »
Hi,

But remember that the train station at Menangle is on the South Coast line, which has a fairly limited service, plus only runs to and from Macarthur.  I wouldn't want to be waiting at Macarthur railway station late on a Friday night.

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« 2008-Dec-20, 05:55 PM Reply #10 »
Will Friday nights still be "Trot Night"?

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« 2008-Dec-20, 07:56 PM Reply #11 »
Hi,

But remember that the train station at Menangle is on the South Coast line, which has a fairly limited service, plus only runs to and from Macarthur.  I wouldn't want to be waiting at Macarthur railway station late on a Friday night.

Yes but if they  know that racing is on at Menangle every friday night and there is a possability of say 200 people wanting to catch the train then they can put on a specific service to cater for it. Obviously there wont be the same sort of services that you would get for  Flemington or Rosehill race meeting but they could run one service out and one back for the night and expect it to be reasonably patronised.




































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« 2008-Dec-24, 08:43 PM Reply #12 »
Wouldn't be surprised to see Saturday night become the big night for the harness--and that would allow the Canterbury night meetings to move to Friday.  That way you would have the Melbourne/Sydney night gallops together and the Melb/Syd harness together

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« 2009-Jan-03, 03:49 AM Reply #13 »
the main reason that couldn't happen previously was due to an agreement between Harold Park and the racing bodies. I'd assume that will be gone soon...

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« 2009-Jan-03, 05:27 AM Reply #14 »
the main reason that couldn't happen previously was due to an agreement between Harold Park and the racing bodies. I'd assume that will be gone soon...
Yet, according to HP, if approached by RacingNSW they would have given consideration to any request--yesterday's harness meeting in Sydney was a twilight meeting at Menangle

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« 2010-Aug-15, 08:13 PM Reply #15 »
From www.harness.org.au


NSWHRC - Curtain to be drawn on Harold Park - final meeting Friday 17th December 2010

 The last race meeting to be held at the iconic Harold Park Paceway will be conducted on Friday December 17 this year. 
NSW Harness Racing Club Chairman, Rex Horne, today made the announcement at a special meeting attended by members of the Club at the spiritual home of harness racing, Harold Park.
Mr Horne outlined the details of the Club’s plans to cease racing at the legendary Glebe circuit, among other things which included planning for the historic last meeting.
“To some this announcement will be accepted with regret as harness racing has been conducted at the site of Harold Park since the late 1800s – more than 120 years.” Mr Horne said 
“But in saying that we have a magnificent track, Tabcorp Park Menangle, to move to fulltime which will be complemented by substantive infrastructure developments on the sale of Harold Park.
“Tabcorp Park Menangle will then be an even greater world class complex ideal for the present and future expectations of the racing public and the participants alike.
“Harold Park has attracted the champion horses and drivers of every decade from throughout Australasia and even the United States of America who have competed in lifetimes of fierce competition and we will commemorate those achievements and events at the final meeting”
“We will welcome everyone to the track for one last time to be swept up in the nostalgia of the halcyon days of Harold Park.
“The records reveal that the aptly-named King Harold won the first race run under the auspices of our Club on November 19, 1902 and will now eagerly await the final winner on December 19, 2010.”
Racing at Harold Park commenced in 1890 and the final meeting on December 17, will signal the end of one era and the beginning of another with permanent sole metropolitan racing at Tabcorp Park Menangle.
The inner city property at Glebe was purchased by the NSW Trotting Club in 1912, although racing commenced in February 1890.
The track had a succession of name changes, Lillee Bridge (1890), Forest Lodge (1901), Epping (1904) and finally Harold Park in 1929.
With the introduction of night trotting to Sydney in 1949, Harold Park became one of the meccas of the social scene, regularly attracting large crowds.
The height of the euphoria concerning night trotting at Harold Park was at the 1960 Inter Dominion Final, when a record crowd of 50,346 people were trackside to cheer home Caduceus.
The Club is planning a sensational farewell to the ‘ancestral home of trotting,’  which includes a gathering of many of those who were intrinsically- involved in the operation of Harold Park over the past decades.
Since the NSWHRC upgraded the Tabcorp Park Menangle facility and re-opened it in mid-2008, plans had been afoot to slowly move racing operations to the outer Sydney circuit full-time.
At the Annual General Meeting in 2008, members of the Club voted on rezoning and offering the Harold Park site for sale in order to sustain the industry into the future, with an overwhelming number voting ‘Yes’ to the Directors’ resolution.
Mr Horne also addressed members today with the latest information regarding the potential sale of the 10.4 hectare Glebe property, including contentious issues associated with the rezoning process with City of Sydney Council.


Offline westie

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« 2010-Aug-15, 08:34 PM Reply #16 »
Took a while but final meeting Friday will be 17th December 2010.

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« 2010-Aug-16, 03:57 PM Reply #17 »
Yes.  Harold Park has had t's place and now it's time to move on as was Moonee Valley.

Will be a great night that night at Harold Park.  Will be flying up to go to it.

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« 2010-Aug-16, 04:01 PM Reply #18 »
Geez, they better have some big plans for menangle, it's an empty shell and offfers no attraction for going to the joint...........apart from the horses

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« 2010-Aug-16, 04:10 PM Reply #19 »
They are not building tracks now to cater for spectators, all about tv and turunover.

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« 2010-Aug-16, 04:12 PM Reply #20 »
Do you think thats a good thing?

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« 2010-Aug-16, 05:18 PM Reply #21 »
no, nsw harness is dead really at menangle, they needed to make HP work about 15 years ago but damage is done

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« 2010-Aug-17, 09:08 AM Reply #22 »
The post by bgm1409 brings back memories of harness racing's hey days for me. :clap2:

These days I'm no longer involved but  still have a mild intertest in the sport.

Coming from Qld visits to HP were rare but exceptionally  memorable, the history and the atmosphere  of HP were fascinating. :thumbsup:

Driving through the streets of Glebe the old terraces images of cobbled streets and the late Sam Aggat driving his gig from the stables to the track were special to me.

The late Bill Rynan a former President of the NSWTC was a friend he loved HP too.  :king:

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« 2010-Dec-17, 06:05 PM Reply #23 »
so we've reached the last night at HP. Will watch the 2 mile stand last race and hope Karloo Mick gets home.

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« 2010-Dec-17, 06:09 PM Reply #24 »
ARA,

Same here--will watch the last--There was al lot of greats on this track--but I keep thinking about The Scotsman--every time it won this fella in his kilt and the bag pipes walked down the track after the race    :lol:   :lol:

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