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Every so often a horse weighs in UNDER its allocated weight.
Under Australian Rules of racing it must be disqualified. Punters lose their money cold. Without thinking much on the topic, I would have argued that the horse should merely be declared a non-runner. It seems grossly unfair. But it ain't that simple.
And what should happen if the horse runs UNPLACED and is found to have run with less than its allotted weight?
What should happen in such circumstances? Punters who backed it had NO chance of a win. But then, if it ran 6th with less than its allotted weight, it surely couldn't have done better with it correct weight.
What to do?
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2010-Apr-22, 05:49 PM
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No matter how you look at it it is a tough situation to adjudicate.
As a punter I dont think a punter should lose because a jockey has weighed in heavy or light, so I think all investments should be returned, however as an owner if my horse ran 2nd I would like the prizemoney and potential place bets.
This is one of the biggest problems with racing- the conflict of interest
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2010-Apr-22, 05:54 PM
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We all bet know the rules of racing.
The rules of racing are broken in nearly every race.
Nobody cares about the fairness to the punter who's horse has been illegally interfered with.
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2010-Apr-22, 06:01 PM
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A horse called Sonny Biscay led by about 3 lengths and cruised to a 2 1/4 length win at Kalgoorlie on 30/3/10. I was to collect around $1600. It weighed in 1kg light. No public explanation was forthcoming but the jockey was suspended. The cruel thing is that the result would have stood if it was 500g under weight. The horse was disqualified and then carried the correct weight in the same class next start and won by 5 3/4 lengths  If only discretion could be used...there's no way that the result was materially effected in this case. It's a tricky one. To rub it in, a horse I backed on 27/2/10 got beaten a neck and the jock weighed in 1kg heavy and that cost me about 3k....I have never benefited from a weight discrepancy but they have cost me heaps. |
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2010-Apr-22, 06:07 PM
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Depends what reason the horse weighed in light. If the jockey cheated(discarded saddle weights) then I would think that he'd be disqualified. This would be logical but racing isn't always fair so I guess it would depend on who owned & trained the horse. 
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2010-Apr-22, 06:08 PM
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A horse called Sonny Biscay led by about 3 lengths and cruised to a 2 1/4 length win at Kalgoorlie on 30/3/10. I was to collect around $1600. It weighed in 1kg light. No public explanation was forthcoming but the jockey was suspended. The cruel thing is that the result would have stood if it was 500g under weight. The horse was disqualified and then carried the correct weight in the same class next start and won by 5 3/4 lengths If only discretion could be used...there's no way that the result was materially effected in this case. It's a tricky one. To rub it in, a horse I backed on 27/2/10 got beaten a neck and the jock weighed in 1kg heavy and that cost me about 3k....I have never benefited from a weight discrepancy but they have cost me heaps. Sue the little pricks. |
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2010-Apr-22, 06:12 PM
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We all bet know the rules of racing.
The rules of racing are broken in nearly every race.
Nobody cares about the fairness to the punter who's horse has been illegally interfered with.
What happens when your horse weighed in light and was heavily laid on befair? Seems too easy to make an earn to me. A noone jockey gets a couple of months tops but earns big money in the process. Something should be done to discourage this kind of thing |
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2010-Apr-22, 06:16 PM
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it's only changed in the last couple of years , previously to that the jock could call for the bridle to try and make the weight but not now i don't know why because the horse still has to carry it.
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2010-Apr-22, 06:19 PM
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Maybe the jockey changed gear after weighing out....took a piss etc. The thing is, it cost me plenty  |
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2010-Apr-22, 06:23 PM
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it's only changed in the last couple of years , previously to that the jock could call for the bridle to try and make the weight but not now i don't know why because the horse still has to carry it.
Why isn't everything that the horse has to carry coming with its handicapped weight ? I find it staggering that jockeys can call on this and that ( surcingles ) to try gain correct weight, if its part of the weight its part of the weight. |
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2010-Apr-22, 06:29 PM
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Maybe the jockey changed gear after weighing out....took a piss etc. The thing is, it cost me plenty how much weight difference do you think there is between girths? Let me tell you -very little. If for some reason a jockey has to change gear he should take that into account before jumping on a horse. Any jockey who does not know what their gear weighs is not worth putting on. There is very little professionalism amongst the jockeys( in Qld at least). They need to raise the bar significantly to stop being the joke of Australian racing |
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2010-Apr-22, 06:33 PM
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DD, How are you suggesting they are weighing in light. Illegally or maybe on a 40 degree day they might lose weight by dehydration.
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2010-Apr-22, 06:53 PM
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Every so often a horse weighs in UNDER its allocated weight
That's funny DD I have yet to see them weigh the horses - always the jockeys when I go to the races  |
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2010-Apr-22, 09:23 PM
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it's only changed in the last couple of years , previously to that the jock could call for the bridle to try and make the weight but not now i don't know why because the horse still has to carry it.
Is that true everywhere? I am sure I saw a jockey call for the bridle in Melbourne sometime in the last 12 months or so? |
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2010-Apr-22, 10:06 PM
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Is that true everywhere? I am sure I saw a jockey call for the bridle in Melbourne sometime in the last 12 months or so?
They changed it after that incidence I think |
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