dubbledee
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Every so often a horse weighs in UNDER its allocated weight.
Under Australian Rules of racing it must be disqualified. Punters lose their money cold. Without thinking much on the topic, I would have argued that the horse should merely be declared a non-runner. It seems grossly unfair. But it ain't that simple.
And what should happen if the horse runs UNPLACED and is found to have run with less than its allotted weight?
What should happen in such circumstances? Punters who backed it had NO chance of a win. But then, if it ran 6th with less than its allotted weight, it surely couldn't have done better with it correct weight.
What to do?
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2010-Apr-22, 10:23 PM
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I read a reasonable amount stewards reports in Victoria and don't see much instance - happy for anyone to disagree. Not sure it's much of an issue. I get more steamed up by punters losing out where a horse is disqualified for a drug related offence. Also regularly see the comments that rider x was reminded of his obligation to ensure his mount was ridden out to the line - always with the face saver that stewards didn't believe it impacted on the result  |
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dubbledee
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2010-Apr-23, 11:09 AM
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Jockeys weighing in light occurs a few times across Australia each year. Maybe a bit more than that. The only ones we usually remember are the ones that involve us.
These horses are DISQUALIFIED. Those who back them lose their money cold. They had no chance of ever winning on their bet. Of course on the other side, those who back the winner cop no deduction, even though there was a horse in the field that was never gonna beat them. Surely that's a BIG issue for far-minded punters.
Should not the horse be declared a non-runner, such as the case of a horse being held in the starting stalls, and deductions applied?
Those who don't like this idea say it protects those who might leave a lead-bag off intentionally. That's correct to a degree, but they're easily dealt with by penalties. Innocent punters should not be the ones penalised.
And when there's intent, you can be sure the horse who's "light" will blow in the betting, meaning the deduction is smaller.
What should happen when a horse runs 6th and is found to be light? Punters had no hope of winning then, either.
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2010-Apr-23, 04:39 PM
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FIRST RULE of FAIR gambling . . If you cant win / you cant lose
Because a rule has to cover ALL situations . .
Money back and deductions is the only way
The status quo is grossly unfair to punters
Money back and deductions if a horse is placed . . . and no action if unplaced is probably poetic justice and would satisfy most fair-minded punters . . but IF we need a blanket rule (which we do) . .
Money back back and deductions on ALL occasions . . imho
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2010-Apr-25, 01:27 PM
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Arthur, if we change to your rule, we can set one up for a massive go.....let's say Australia wide we'll get $200,000 on. If we get beaten, we'll drop some lead before we get back to scale and get our money back.
Mate, that is not the answer.
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dubbledee
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2010-Apr-25, 03:05 PM
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Yes, that's a major risk, Rodent.
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2010-Apr-27, 10:35 AM
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Why aren't weights published pre race for group races?
They do it in some countries.
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dubbledee
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2010-Apr-27, 03:21 PM
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Weights of whom or what?
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2010-Apr-27, 05:28 PM
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Does he mean the actualy weight of the horse rather than the jockey + gear? How much does your average horse weigh anyway? |
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dubbledee
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2010-Apr-27, 05:31 PM
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I have no idea. Hence my question.
Horses weigh 500 - 550 kg, I think. 
HK publish horses' weights.
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2011-Feb-22, 04:40 PM
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The only fair rule would be to treat it like we do protests, overseas I believe any interference and they relegate the winner regardless of whether it affected the end result!! Bloody stupid, the way we treat interference is the only way, did it affect the result? we may not agree with the stewards opinions but that is the way with all legal systems, it is about as fair as it gets to both sides,
The same should apply to weighing in light, the only question is did it affect the result?? if the weight difference is minuscule and the winning margin is substantial to take the race off the winner isn't fair to anyone, if the horse weighed in 10kg's light and the margin was a photo then it should be relegated to where in the stewards in their educated opinion it would/should have finished, just like protests, messy I know but it is as close to fair as you can get and I believe most Punters would be happy or at least would accept the umpires decision
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2011-Feb-22, 04:49 PM
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As an adjunct to the above the stewards should then find out where the mistake was made and issue appropriate penalties, I also believe the drug issue in racing should be similar, did it affect the result? eg, was it a go fast? they are picking up minuscule amounts these days that in the past would have been out of the system, penalise the trainer even substantially but to take the prize money off the connections isn't fair
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2011-Feb-22, 04:56 PM
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Maybe there should be an allowance of 1/2 kg under or over being acceptable.
The reason is on particular hot days the stewards can allow for jockeys to ride 1/2 kg over their allocated weight to allow for extra water they may drink to help with hydration...so I can't see how weighing in 1/2 kg under would make any difference to the result.
Then again there would be some who understand weights better than me who would argue this point.
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2011-Feb-22, 04:59 PM
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Mono. there is an allowance of 0.5kg.
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