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Original Post 2010-Apr-25, 05:19 PM

As Requested here is a topic to talk about calcuations/rules/ratings formulas.

As an added bonus I will release my code in the next few days(when I get time to write the install instructions) so that others who can not program will be able to collect their own data and devise their own rules/systems/formula.

If anyone wishes to add comments on ideas they use in their computer programs this would be greatly appreciated.
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2010-Apr-26, 12:05 AM

If you have an y other suggestions let me know.  Ive only started looking at this stuff so not sure where to get good data.  Just identified these sites (risa, unitab, racingandsports) cause a lot of peple talk about them.
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2010-Apr-26, 12:11 AM

just having a look a Risa Form, have you got a program to suck all that data out, or do you hand type the data you need.
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2010-Apr-26, 12:16 AM

Java code just loads the page and parses the data.
If you load it usng the program you could extract it from the mysql database.  Otherwise I could probably post a simple program that extracts it to a csv ?

Im of to bed in 5 mins (in case I don't reply in a timely manner)
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2010-Apr-26, 12:18 AM

Do you get your data like this ?

1 Reckons 2 7 0.2 Kensin 31/03/2010 1150 SC0MW 2 cg $27,000 $5,400 Dead K McEvoy 57 01:09.4 35.76 1-Praecido 55.0
2 Bombay 1 10 0.8 C'bury 30/12/2009 1100 Mdn 2 f $27,000 $17,500 Dead B Avdulla 54 01:06.5 36.9 2-Extremis 56.0
3 Misshiraz 4 9 2.5 Well 4/04/2010 1100 Open 2 $46,000 $1,800 Good J Adams 56 01:04.4
1-Derippa 53.5
4 More Than Able 3 7 0.4 Kensin 31/03/2010 1150 SC0MW 2 cg $27,000 $2,400 Dead N Berry 54.5 01:09.4 35.76 1-Praecido 55.0
5 Tizconi














6 Unflinchingresolve 6 10 7.9 R'hill 27/03/2010 1200 G2 2 cg $151,100 $0 Good C Munce 55.5 01:10.9 34.79 1-Brightexpectations 55.5
7 L'academie De Joie 5 9 3.3 Well 4/04/2010 1100 Open 2 $46,000 $900 Good J Galea 55 01:04.4
1-Derippa 53.5
8 No Hesitation 5 7 1.6 Kensin 31/03/2010 1150 SC0MW 2 cg $27,000 $500 Dead N Rawiller 56 01:09.4 35.76 1-Praecido 55.0
9 Bouzy Rouge
0
Suncst 1/06/2010 1 Open $10,000 $
G Colless



10 Stretch 2 9 1.3 Tamwth 4/03/2010 1200 Mdn $3,500 $700 Dead D Jones 55 01:12.6
1-Moorfysh 54.0
1 Stand To Gain 3 8 1.5 St. Cl 14/09/2009 2100 Open 3 cg $57,500 $8,600 Good S Pasquier 58 2:13.80,

2 Logan's Choice
0
C'bury 4/08/2010 0 BM75 $27,000 $
T Berry



3 The Fangsta 5 10 3.9 W.Farm 30/03/2010 1300 SC0MW 3+ $27,000 $500 Heavy J Adams 55.5 01:19.6 36.87 1-Paraded 50.5
4 Business Plan 1 4 0.4 Kensin 31/03/2010 1300 BM80 3+ $27,000 $17,500 Slow J A Cassidy 53 01:18.7 35.45 2-Ausworld 51.5
5 Heraklion
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Kensin 31/03/2010 2 BM70 $27,000 $
K McEvoy



6 Sir Nick 2 7 0.1 W.Farm 30/03/2010 1400 BM75 3+ $27,000 $5,400 Slow D Ganderton 53.5 01:25.2 36.41 1-Reprobate 57.5
7 All Black Miss
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C'bury 4/08/2010 1 RB67 $27,000 $
B Shinn



8 Intermac 3 10 2 W.Farm 30/03/2010 1300 SC0MW 3+ $27,000 $2,400 Heavy K O'Hara 53 01:19.6 36.87 1-Paraded 50.5
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2010-Apr-26, 12:20 AM

mate I don't need your data, I was just asking a question.  biggrin
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2010-Apr-26, 12:22 AM

Essentially yes.  But I do a few things with the data.
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2010-Apr-26, 12:25 AM

Stormy,

What language do you use and how quick does it take to say add a new source of data ?
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2010-Apr-26, 12:27 AM

But I do a few things with the data.


The example is raw. I do a lot of thing with the data. Anyway keep going. 
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2010-Apr-26, 12:30 AM

Stormy,

What language do you use and how quick does it take to say add a new source of data ?


PYTHON scripts, to write a script, my be a couple of hours depending on how much source code there is to hunt through.
But to add a new source not long. beer
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2010-Apr-26, 12:32 AM

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PYTHON scripts, to write a script, my be a couple of hours depending on how much source code there is to hunt through.
But to add a new source not long.


Cool.  Thanks.
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2010-Apr-26, 12:33 AM

once I get the script right, I just suck the data into excel, simple, then import the data from there.
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2010-Apr-26, 12:34 AM

before you go to bed, I will suck unitab out....
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2010-Apr-26, 12:36 AM

that's just a portion, and thats how quick

UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 1 MANKINI 57.5
7X2 100
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 2 BACK ALREADY 57.5

83
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 3 GOLDEN GLORY 57.5

75
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 4 GRAN CORAZON 57.5
0 82
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 5 INCHICORE 57.5
800 79
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 6 SCRUBBY 57.5
5 89
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 7 STREET PLAYER 57.5
5 92
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 8 WILL'S FURY 57.5
00X 79
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 9 HALLOWELL STAR 55.5
6 89
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 10 JUDDSABLUE 55.5
0 81
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 11 XAARTOS 55.5
0 78
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 12 BEARCAT STEW 55

85
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R1.html 13 ALEXANDER THEGREAT 57.5
670 96
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 1 DAMBIG 57.5
262 100
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 2 DANTE'S DREAM 57.5
604 94
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 3 SUGAR STROLLER 57.5
X0X 93
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 4 KING POINT 57.5
0X3 97
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 5 PICCOLOS 57.5
540 91
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 6 HEAD TO HELL 57.5

93
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 7 MCINTYRE 57.5
5X 97
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 8 IT'LL BE SWEET 55.5
69X 91
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 9 TENNESSEE WALTZ 55.5
567 99
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 10 NOTHING BURGER 55.5
486 92
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 11 FALVADA 55.5
900 87
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 12 LADY RANGE 55.5
0 87
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R2.html 13 TOLEDO EXPRESS 57.5
46X 86
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UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R3.html 5 TOLEDO EXPRESS 54
46X 78
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R3.html 6 WEEKLY EXPRESS 54 DTC 7X0 94
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UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R4.html 2 CHO SON 56 C 201 99
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UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R4.html 4 MEGABLITZ 56 W 313 97
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R4.html 5 TRIMCONNECTION 56
384 100
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UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R4.html 7 CHADDIE 55.5 C 552 100
UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R4.html 8 WHINNEN 55.5
55 99
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UNiTAB_20100425_ALBANY_R5.html 6 BAWCINTHEPARK 56.5
07X 100
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2010-Apr-26, 12:36 AM


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once I get the script right, I just suck the data into excel, simple, then import the data from there.

Sounds like a nice simple method.  I was trying to make the gui java app for those who have no idea how to program and want to do some simple analysis/backtesting.  I'll try to expand it over time though. I find I write a lot of sql behind the scenes to analyse the data rather than update the program just cause its quicker and simplier.
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2010-Apr-26, 12:38 AM

mate, there is nothing quick about getting accurate data. You need accurate data period !
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