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Original Post 2010-Jul-29, 02:25 AM

6-03.50 GOLDEN ROSE (1400 METRES)

Of $1000000 and $21400 trophies. 1st $650000 and trophies of $17000 to owner $2200 to trainer $2200 to jockey, 2nd $200000, 3rd $90000, 4th $40000, 5th $20000.

Starter Subsidy: $200 for non-prize earning runners.

For Three-Years-Old. Set Weights. (GROUP 1).

No Allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 17 + 4 EM

No Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Penalty Handicapper
Rating
1 SQUAMOSA Gai Waterhouse Nash Rawiller 14 56.5
2 DECISION TIME Clarry Conners Blake Shinn 13 56.5
3 HINCHINBROOK Gerald Ryan Corey Brown 4 56.5
4 MASQUERADER David Payne Hugh Bowman 2 56.5
5 TOORAK TOFF Rick Hore-Lacy Damien Oliver 9 56.5
6 KUDAKULARI (NZ) Bart Cummings 11 56.5
7 RUN FOR LEVI John P Thompson Peter Robl 1 56.5
8 TOP DROP Gerald Ryan Jay Ford 12 56.5
9 ILOVETHISCITY Grahame Begg Joshua Parr 7 56.5
10 PRAECIDO (NZ) David Payne Glyn Schofield 5 56.5
11 CRYSTAL LILY Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra Brett Prebble 10 54.5
12 CHANCE BYE Michael Tubman Kathy O'Hara 3 54.5
13 PANIPIQUE Peter G Moody Jim Cassidy 6 54.5
14 SASA Tim Martin 15 54.5
15 GYBE Anthony Cummings Tim Clark 8 54.5
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2010-Aug-29, 06:51 PM

Mark a car has a steering wheel and No thought pattern and it only goes where the driver steers it, a horse doesn't have a steering wheel and does think for itself, it is a lot harder to keep straight if it doesn't want to run straight, if you can't see the difference you obviosly have never been on a horse at speed or at all, have to say I wouldn't want to be driving on the same street as you either!!
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2010-Aug-29, 07:08 PM

Mate, he can turn a horse as easy as you can turn your car. It was careless, extremely dangerous, and it caused a lot of carnage there is no way around it.
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2010-Aug-29, 07:21 PM

Mark you gotta be kidding, I am so flabergasted at that statement I am speechless!!
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2010-Aug-29, 07:24 PM

No you are kiddin mate. Ok maybe I exaggerated a fraction but he got off very lightly and that's the bottom line.
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2010-Aug-29, 07:37 PM

Mark have you ever been on a Thoroughbred??
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2010-Aug-29, 07:52 PM

Mark you gotta be kidding, I am so flabergasted at that statement I am speechless!!


  lol  I don't believe you are speechless.

Nash Rawillar and the like do not try hard enough to keep them straight. They are the first to tell us how dangerous their job is, but they do not do everything in their own power to make it safer, yesterday was a prime example.
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2010-Aug-29, 07:57 PM

Mark have you ever been on a Thoroughbred??


Know I have not but have known closely a few blokes who were very good at riding them, which includes STEERING them out at the right time to win the Melbourne Cup lol
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2010-Aug-29, 08:11 PM

Again you are showing a distinct lack of knowlege of the Thoroughbred, ask your "friends" if there is a difference in riding a young inexperienced 3 year old to an experienced older horse at the end of their Melbourne Cup Prep???
Ask them if a horse ever does the unexpected??
Ask them if they have ever steered a horse in one direction and the horse has not answered the call immediately?? or even went the other way??
Ask them if they have ever been suspended for causing interference??
Ask them if they ever did it on purpose?? if they say No which I assume they will, ask them why they didn't just 'steer" the horse the other way??
Tell them you know as much as them and you know the interference they caused could have been avoided because you know how to "steer" a horse??
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2010-Aug-29, 08:24 PM

Well firstly one of em is dead, and one of em I am no longer in contact with, so ask them I cannot.

HOWEVER, he steered it ok into them the first time and knew it so straightened him up - just fine. Then he tried again before he was far enough in front to cut across - same result so he pulled him up - just fine. Then finally he's far enough in front so it is safe to go across and lead so he does exactly that no dramas..

So the bottom line is that Nash had full control. smiley
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2010-Aug-29, 09:39 PM

So you believe it was intentional, tantamount to attempted murder???
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2010-Aug-29, 09:40 PM

No I dont reckon he meant to cause that, but it was very careless as I've said.
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2010-Aug-29, 09:45 PM

you said he had "Full" control,  and "He steered it into them" that sounds like intentional to me?
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2010-Aug-29, 09:49 PM

He did I stand by that, never did I say intentional mate. I'll repeat.. No I dont reckon he meant to cause that, but it was very careless.
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2010-Aug-29, 10:07 PM

You didn't say he ran into them you said "he steered it into them" and he had "full control" that is the definition of deliberate,
first it was his horse who over reacted and ran in, Nash was trying to work his way over as evidenced by the fact he kept looking around, his horse moved towards the fence faster than Nash intended, as soon as it happened he attempted to straighten it up, when it ducked in Crystal Lily over reacted and ducked away from Squamosa causing further interference to the others, Nash is a very professional Jockey, what will suspending him hope to accomplish other than to pacify punters?? I will tell you, absolutely nothing, except racing loses Nash  for a period, we are all losers!!
Jockeys in Australia ride very tight, tighter than they do in most countries, the Fields especially in big races are usually full, there is a $Mill dollars up for grabs, it is very competitive, they are all young and inexperienced horses, under these circumstances Jockeys ride too short, it is downright dangerous, no Jockey is going to say this for the same reason Nash won't blame spurs for causing the horse to race eratic, they do not want the rules changed!
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