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Original Post 2010-Jul-29, 02:25 AM

6-03.50 GOLDEN ROSE (1400 METRES)

Of $1000000 and $21400 trophies. 1st $650000 and trophies of $17000 to owner $2200 to trainer $2200 to jockey, 2nd $200000, 3rd $90000, 4th $40000, 5th $20000.

Starter Subsidy: $200 for non-prize earning runners.

For Three-Years-Old. Set Weights. (GROUP 1).

No Allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 17 + 4 EM

No Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Penalty Handicapper
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1 SQUAMOSA Gai Waterhouse Nash Rawiller 14 56.5
2 DECISION TIME Clarry Conners Blake Shinn 13 56.5
3 HINCHINBROOK Gerald Ryan Corey Brown 4 56.5
4 MASQUERADER David Payne Hugh Bowman 2 56.5
5 TOORAK TOFF Rick Hore-Lacy Damien Oliver 9 56.5
6 KUDAKULARI (NZ) Bart Cummings 11 56.5
7 RUN FOR LEVI John P Thompson Peter Robl 1 56.5
8 TOP DROP Gerald Ryan Jay Ford 12 56.5
9 ILOVETHISCITY Grahame Begg Joshua Parr 7 56.5
10 PRAECIDO (NZ) David Payne Glyn Schofield 5 56.5
11 CRYSTAL LILY Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra Brett Prebble 10 54.5
12 CHANCE BYE Michael Tubman Kathy O'Hara 3 54.5
13 PANIPIQUE Peter G Moody Jim Cassidy 6 54.5
14 SASA Tim Martin 15 54.5
15 GYBE Anthony Cummings Tim Clark 8 54.5
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2010-Aug-29, 12:51 AM

This may be a big call but the reality of it is that it is becoming more and more likely - not another Slipper that turns out to be a poor form reference in the future..

Although Decision Time ran well today I think he could improve over further.
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2010-Aug-29, 09:41 AM

This may be a big call but the reality of it is that it is becoming more and more likely - not another Slipper that turns out to be a poor form reference in the future..

Although Decision Time ran well today I think he could improve over further.

Bit harsh statement if based on yesterday's race--1/2 the field got flattened and would come under the 'forget run' file.  The winner was possibly the only one not to suffer severe interference.  Rawiller can consider himself very fortunate to only get 9 meetings--he caused carnage in a $million race--should also have been fined at least his prizemoney and got much longer.
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2010-Aug-29, 09:49 AM


How good/unlucky was Ilovethiscity ?



Desperately unlucky

should have won
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2010-Aug-29, 01:21 PM

I think Rawiller is being a bit harshly treated, he tried to come across and kept looking to his inside before he made the decision, he did every thing he could to prevent interference, his horse was very eratic, not only crossing after the start but in the straight as well he ran about, not only was there was nothing at all intentional but not a lot he could have done to stop it either, short of staying 5 wide and making no attempt to cross, he does that and gets blamed for a poor ride
a good jockeys job is to ride as close to the edge as possible, his horse was the problem and you can't ride to allow for that or you would never ride a winner!!
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2010-Aug-29, 01:34 PM

I think Rawiller is being a bit harshly treated, he tried to come across and kept looking to his inside before he made the decision, he did every thing he could to prevent interference, his horse was very eratic, not only crossing after the start but in the straight as well he ran about, not only was there was nothing at all intentional but not a lot he could have done to stop it either, short of staying 5 wide and making no attempt to cross, he does that and gets blamed for a poor ride
a good jockeys job is to ride as close to the edge as possible, his horse was the problem and you can't ride to allow for that or you would never ride a winner!!


You have to be joking JP.
I do not care whether he would have been 15 wide, the interference was shocking.
Nash admitted it was his fault.
 
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2010-Aug-29, 01:41 PM

Sobig, never said he didn't cause the interference, please read what I said!!
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2010-Aug-29, 03:08 PM

Sobig, never said he didn't cause the interference, please read what I said!!


You clearly said he was harshly treated whereas most who saw the race believe he has got off very lightly
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2010-Aug-29, 03:41 PM

yes he was harshly treated, that is not the same as saying as saying he didn't cause the interference, most who believe that he got off light probably have never ridden a horse, the Stewards have got to convict someone to keep all the "Grandstand" Jockeys happy, it wouldn't have mattered who was on Squamosa that interference would have happened, it was the horse racing eratic that caused the Accident, like if you ran into the back of another car after your brakes failed, you still get a ticket for neg driving even though there was nothing you could do to avoid the accident other than leave a mile between you and the car in front, someone has to accept the blame and that someone had to be Nash, couldn't possibly blame anyone else, the Buck stops with the Jockey!

Jockeys ride far too short, that sort of interference is prevented by shifting your body weight, by shifting your body weight the horse responds much quicker than by by using the reigns alone, these days because they ride so short they can't move their body weight to have any effect, so they only have the reigns to steer the horse, hard to explain to those who only know by watching the TV and think it is like driving a car!
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2010-Aug-29, 04:01 PM

, not only was there was nothing at all intentional but not a lot he could have done to stop it either, short of staying 5 wide and making no attempt to cross, he does that and gets blamed for a poor ride
a good jockeys job is to ride as close to the edge as possible, his horse was the problem and you can't ride to allow for that or you would never ride a winner!!


I have to disagree JP. Once his horse starts racing erratically it is his responsibility to keep it 5 wide at least until it was safe to cross. He started trying to cross when I don't think he was even an inch clear of the likes of Crystal Lily etc.

For mine Nash was culpable no matter how erratic his horse was and he should have got more.
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2010-Aug-29, 04:41 PM

This may be a big call but the reality of it is that it is becoming more and more likely - not another Slipper that turns out to be a poor form reference in the future..

Although Decision Time ran well today I think he could improve over further.


I think the Slipper winner Crystal Lil will be nothing but a 1000-1200m horse, why she was running yesterday is beyond me, the prize money must have screwed with their thinking. I hope they are not aiming her at the 1000 Guineas.
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2010-Aug-29, 04:43 PM

short of staying 5 wide and making no attempt to cross, he does that and gets blamed for a poor ride
a good jockeys job is to ride as close to the edge as possible, his horse was the problem and you can't ride to allow for that or you would never ride a winner!!


Where is that Jockey safety thread ?
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2010-Aug-29, 05:40 PM

Calgary to keep it 5 wide prior to any interference would have been stupid!! it happened in a flash and he hardly touched Crystal Lily, CL overreacted and crunched the others,

At what point should he have pulled 5 wide??
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2010-Aug-29, 05:46 PM

I know it is not in the rule book but they are suposed to be 2 lengths clear.

He should have been disqualified, that the only way they will stop endangering each others lives.
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2010-Aug-29, 05:54 PM

Authorised There is one glaring problem with the rule book, Horses as yet can't read!!
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2010-Aug-29, 06:42 PM

I think the Slipper winner Crystal Lil will be nothing but a 1000-1200m horse, why she was running yesterday is beyond me, the prize money must have screwed with their thinking. I hope they are not aiming her at the 1000 Guineas.


Yeah Matty that was my thinking in leaving her out of my tris.


Jim I'm sorry but ya kiddin. Think of it like a road and cutting across lanes.
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