Racehorse TALK

Entitled to start favourite also IMHO 

How do we rate Jaguar Mail, compared to Delta Blues, and Pop Rock ?

They were probably, 5 lengths off the best from over there, when the came down under 

He's better - full stop IMO.

Here's my reasons.

Japan gets green light for Melbourne Cup, two raiders likely

http://www.justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/japan-gets-green-light-for-melbourne-cup-two-raiders-likely/

Racing Victoria and Victoria Racing Club officials are rejoicing after AQIS gave official approval to two Japanese quarantine facilities, effectively allowing Japanese horses to compete in this year’s Emirates Melbourne Cup.

As reported by Just Horse Racing last Thursday, an inspection occurred last Wednesday. Click here to read more.

The approval of the sites at Tokyo and Nakayama means that two Japanese horses, Jaguar Mail and Meiner Kitz, are expected to compete in the Melbourne Cup.

A third, the Australian-bred colt Break A Theory, may become the first international runner in the Group 1 Victoria Derby (2500m).

In 2007, New Zealand-bred Japanese galloper Roc De Cambes was on track to run in the Victoria Derby.

However, the outbreak of equine influenza in both Japan and Australia prevented him making the trip.

Restrictions set up in the wake of EI have stopped further Japanese visits since then, and it was believed that it wouldn’t be rectified in time for the 2010 Melbourne Cup.

Four Japanese gallopers have raced in Australia:

    * Eye Popper – ran 2nd to Railings in the 2005 Caulfield Cup before finishing 12th to Makybe Diva in that year’s Melbourne Cup.
    * Tosen Dandy – had four starts in Australia, including a 2nd in the Cranbourne Cup and 11th in the 2005 Cox Plate behind Makybe Diva
    * Delta Blues – finished a gutsy 3rd in the 2006 Caulfield Cup behind Tawqeet before his famous victory in the Melbourne Cup
    * Pop Rock – a fast finishing 7th at Caulfield behind Tawqeet before running 2nd to his stablemate in the Melbourne Cup to record a Japanese quinella

This year’s field is likely to be stronger than the field in 2006, but Jaguar Mail’s credentials are far superior to his predecessors.

Proven at weight for age on the world stage, with two top four runs in the Hong Kong Vase behind Doctor Dino and Daryakana, Jaguar Mail ran away with Japan’s premier 3200m race, the Tenno Sho (Spring), in May.

In doing so, he ran a scintillating time of 3:15.7 – a time that has never been achieved in a Melbourne Cup.

The current record-holder is Kingston Rule, who won his Melbourne Cup in 1990 in a time of 3:16.3.

Meiner Kitz was second to Jaguar Mail this year, after winning the Tenno Sho (Spring) last year.

While his form is not as highly regarded, he is still a phenomenal stayer on his day.

His time in the Tenno Sho (Spring) last year was a mind blowing 3:14.40 – unthinkable in Melbourne.

While there are many factors to consider – most importantly, pace, but also the geography of the racecourse – Meiner Kitz’s 2009 victory in the Tenno Sho was a whole 6 seconds, or almost 35 lengths, quicker than Viewed’s Melbourne Cup win in 2008.

It is now expected that Jaguar Mail will be challenging for favouritism, with Meiner Kitz not far behind, when the first TAB Sportsbet market for the Melbourne Cup is released next Thursday.

Written by Andrew Hawkins

2010 Tenno Sho, won by Jaguar Mail

Staying times in Japan always seem to be a hell of a lot quicker than ours - is this a result of a higher quality of horse, firmer tracks, or better early pace in races?

I haven't listened to them but the English versions of the race are at the following listed down rhs of page.

http://japanracing.jp/_news2010/100401.html

Hang on!!

This reminds me of that cricket ad, where the boss is watching the cricket, and then sees on the screen the bloke from the office who had called in crook for the day.

JWH, I am a man of commitment to the full. Don't do things by halves. Been away till late last night and busy most of today and tomorrow but I see midweek comp no outlay comparison posted..........Why not?

I know, I know, I know.......

Good help's hard to get.

If as you say this horse is far superior to Delta blues etc he will be weighted accordingly, remember this is a Handicap, these overseas hoses have been coming out here for the best part of 20 years(actually from memory  I think the 1910 winner Comedy King was an Import though owned and trained in Australia) and what have they won, 3? Vintage Crop, Media Puzzle and Delta Blues, probably close to 100 overseas horses all pretty well performed, I don't think we have to be too worried about them winning more than there share, if they bring out there "champions" they will get too much weight, if they bring out lighter weighted horses, for the most part we will hold them off! My objection is Australians dream of having a Runner that is now a dream of the past, they are taking away all the romance of the Australian Turf, if they did that with movies guess what? no one would watch movies either!

Another Japanese horse may be making the trip, with connections of Tokai Trick weighing up their options.

We wanted TT to go to MC 3 years ago. I think he may have left it too late but he will run 3200m no worries.
JM is a good horse not a great one. Miener Kitz looks a better proposition to me.
As I won't be getting and Delta Blues or Pop Rock odds I might watch them go around if they run.

What's the difference? The criteria is set out for all to know, the O/S horses still have to qualify or are you suggesting we favour the locals some how 

Gintara either you ain't an Aussie or I do not understand your question It can't be coming from an Australian! Overseas horses are coming here FOR THE MONEY

I would rather not have any Aussie's in the race, than see a medicore Melbourne Cup, with under performed horses, racing over 2 mile.

I think the internationals make it a great spectacle, and add so much more interest to the race.

If We Aussies, want to win the race, we need to breed better stayers 

I have to disagree with that.

The Melbourne Cup was the race that stopped the nation long before international competition entered the equation.

It would not be any less anticipated if no internationals turned up at all.