Racehorse TALK

shogun if they're good producing mares they'll nearly throw good horses to anything, lets face it there's not to many badly bred stallions around.

Thanks Richo, suprising how close most stallions are regards winners to runners etc.......I agree is just a bloody lottery
but ya have to try.....
My Afleetaffair mares family (2nd dam Jandell,)just upgraded again on the weekend with good win from Elusive Touch in the Aurie Star G3,
he is out of Shellbourne Lass (her 3 rd dam being the great Jandell also)
I've gotta get this girl to a stallion.!
 

I have seen quite a few yearlings go through the sales ring and bring in excess of a $1m and have very little chance of ever winning a race!! so never assume that the pedigree and purchase price means they were a stunning type, not many horses that  weren't good racehorse finish as top stallions, ( I mean top commercial stallions)
Pox doctor gave you good advice, it is a breed to race not sell endeavour, then again if someone else bred the progeny and sent it to the sales you could buy it for a lot less than it took breed it? Cheaper to just go to the sales and buy a yearling, you can have it vetted, you can at least know what  you are buying and it will most likely be cheaper!

But you forget the romance of breeding one of your own. It is different

Not  very romantic to breed a dud which is the most likely outcome, not to mention the expense but good luck to anyone with a dream, hope it works out well

The thing is, do you really think the breeders/studs sell their fastest babies?
I reckon not..they don't make the sales if the stud masters/owners know what they see etc
Only the breeder gets to see the best/worst of their foal and make a decision re foal sale.
And I've seen plenty of slowies bought at sales as well.
But yes it's romance/madness I guess ...still most breeders have only one or two mares,
our future champs have to come from somewhere Jim.
I researched my mares pedigrees specifically for breeding, and its a waste to not give em a chance I reckon.
I have lost everytime before , heartbreaking stuff, but ya go back to the well like many other hopefuls and desperates.
The trick is also, not to pay exorbitant amounts for genetics you can access elsewhere for a hundred times cheaper.

Speaking from experience?

No Wiley, I buy well bred Broodmares, send them to a commercial stallion for 3 years and sell the mare before any race, good luck to the next owner, I hope they turn out to be champions, but I don't take the risk, I take the profit from the first 3 yearlings, then I buy more mares, you should pay at least $50,000 for a mare if you want to make money, even that is cutting it fine, spend as much as you possibly can to get the best mare you can, then send it to the best stallion you can afford, mortgage yourr house if you have to!! almost a guarantee to make money, better than any real estate profit if you do it right!

Further 'reinforcement' of Dubai's family yesterday with the win of Atomic Force ( Dubais Choice's dam is Show of Force's Atomic's mums 1/2 sister)
The very good family of Fancy Babe mum of Encounter.
Atomic's second Group 1. Good boy!

Shogun, he needs to throw something very quckly or he'll go out the back door.

First season 30 mares served
2nd, 72
& only 9 this last season.....ouch

It's a tough game: hasn't had a runner yet.

Must be coming out missing a leg or two.

He has only been at stud since late in 2009 and numbers for 2012 wouldnt be accurate as yet at this low level of stallion.
He hasn't had a runner yet as they are only yearlings and as there are only a couple of dozen of em, can't see that they will win many races even next year.
For obvious reasons.
He may get a good one, he might not.
Lovely genetics, lovely animal, lovely low stallion fee.
Its always a balance 'tween location price performance and genetics.
He interests me in the sub $5000 level sire ranks, thats all, and I have one of his beautiful 2nd crop fillies here with me.
So yes I am biased.

Good on u for having a go Shogun Lodge
Must have had some ability, to run the cracking time it did on debut as 2yr old- its a run that would have had him up with the top 2yr olds, at that time- beat Strat's Flyer/Abfab who won lots of $…3rd run 2 lengths behind future Stradbroke winner Black Piranha.
I reckon it has copped a slight injury on debut and never at its best from then on.
I think having performed as a 2yr old, is what makes him standout from the run of the mill cheap sons of top sires.

Exactly mate.....thats why I was so excited when the planets aligned and I got to send my mare to him with a very reasonable arrangement.
I was resigned to not getting near the genetics I wanted, and then I found him.
Thanks for your kind comments
Great service from the guys at the stud at Glenrae....
Like a lot of low level sires, he will probably not have numbers to crow about (unless the gods let him have a first or second crop champeen) a few years in....
poor bugger....but my filly is 'as classy and correct as you'd ever see' according to my 60 year old farrier who gave her a first farrier lesson this morning.
She'll do me, and for only about $5k investment so far I have a bloody nice thing that would sell for double that on looks alone (I would hope or think).
Encounter was one of the first horses I loved when I first started getting obsessed with the nags so it all makes sense you see!!!!