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Original Post 2010-Sep-10, 10:12 AM

Have seen a few articles on telly again recently with reference to potential of China to keep our breeding industry
sound/bolstered if they EVER open it up.
Are we doin enough to convince em to get up and runnin?
Will they get over their anti gambling stance and let the industry commence?
Is it inevitable?
If, and when, they did, breeders would do OK for a few years I reckon...
(I have a mare from  family of Tierce, who went over there as their first sire.... wink wink)
Any thoughts or comment?
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2010-Dec-14, 07:10 AM

A little more http://www.inglis.com.au/news/item/quick-questions---mark-webster
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2010-Dec-14, 07:47 AM

This is from the A.F.A.R site
November 2005
AN IRISH horse trainer has ordered the mass slaughter of hundreds of throroughbreds at a racecourse in China.

Reports from Beijing claim Kevin Connolly has already killed 600 horses and the International League for the Protection of Horses (ILPH) has described it as "sickening". The cull of the healthy horses has been sparked since the Communist government in China shut down the Beijing racecourse in October.Connolly, racing director at the course, has admitted culling more than 100 horses already and said hundreds more may be killed over the winter, but took issue with suggestions that as many as 600 thoroughbreds had been put down.He defended the action as "the most humane thing to do". He said: "It's no secret, open or otherwise - we have destroyed 110 horses in this cull."Our plan was to cull maybe 500 of them, and I might still do so in a period of time over the winter, but as it stands we have yet to do so. I probably will do some more over the winter, I honestly don't know."The reason we do it is that it is the most humane thing to do under the circumstances to injured horses, retired horses, bad breathers and foals with poor conformation."They don't have a commercial future so they are humanely destroyed. We do it at the end of every season, the same as other racing jurisdictions." Connolly, who trained the sprinter Mr Brooks to win three Group races in Ireland in 1991, was one of a number of people behind an ambitious bid to bring horse racing, and eventually legal course gambling, back to China. The Beijing course was mainland China's only licensed race course but gambling was forbidden. Although gambling has been outlawed in China since the days of Chairman Mao, when the track opened in 2002 the law was coupled with a "guessing" system - involving the use of vouchers - and Beijingers turned up in their thousands to meetings every Saturday.However, last year when the state launched an ongoing investigation into illegal gambling in the country, horse racing was suspended. When it resumed this year it was massively scaled-down. Connolly, who moved from Ireland to Beijing in July 1999, built the racecourse with backing from a Hong Kong tycoon. They were betting on a change in the law but, so far, that EUR124million gamble has failed and the horses are paying with their lives. Ireland's Alliance for Animal Rights spokesman Bernie Wright said: "It's apalling. When big money is the aim of a sport, the animals become commodities and end up being killed when they are of no use. "I don't know if people like Kevin Connolly are open to appeals but if they are we appeal to him to work with the authorities to try to find somewhere for these horses to go - avoid any more slaughter." Phil Spiby from the ILPH said: "We would urge the Chinese authorities to do all that they can to find a worthwhile alternative use for these horses. "But, having said that, in situations such as this one, if they cannot find an alternative use it is often better that the horses are humanely destroyed. "When Karachi racecourse closed down a number of years ago, 380 horses were simply abandoned in their stables and by the time we were alerted to the situation 70 of those had starved to death."








Could not happen again surely angry
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2010-Dec-14, 03:58 PM

Like Ireland ? http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,730796,00.html
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2010-Dec-15, 08:42 PM

Is this the same Kevin Connolly who trained in Australia for a major Asian syndicate?
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2011-Feb-20, 11:00 AM

'The seeds of the club’s future may also have been sown in 1997 with the prospect of a new, much larger market in mainland China, where horse racing is currently illegal.

To attract the swelling ranks of Chinese high rollers, the Hong Kong Jockey Club spent $100 million to build a clubhouse in Beijing where it now has 1,000 non-betting memberships.

“It’s important to establish ourselves as a brand,” said Engelbrecht. “Ten years ahead, I’m pretty convinced there will be horse racing in China.”

Full article http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-15/hong-kong-jockey-club-faces-biggest-threat-in-126-years-from-online-gaming.html
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2011-Feb-28, 08:28 PM

http://www.macaudailytimes.com.mo/macau/22628-Horse-racing-also-social-event.html


Horse racing is also a social event
28/02/2011 07:17:00
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Harry Troy on TDM Talk Show

Behind the show itself, horse racing in Macau has a very interesting story. Introduced by the British, Macau was the first place in Asia to host horse racing, explained Harry Troy, commentator at Macau Jockey Club (MJC). According to the former jockey, horse racing is much more than just gambling – it’s a sport as well as a social event, which is set to gain more recognition in China, he explained.
However, he acknowledged, there is still a long way to go. On last weekend’s TDM Talk Show, Troy expressed disappointment that the local population doesn’t pay much attention to what happens at the MJC. “I’m very surprised that the local population hasn’t grabbed it more. Companies like the Venetian or MGM could use it even just for social days for the staff. Even the local tour operators [pay little attention to the club],” he bemoaned.
According to him, there is still a missing link between the local Jockey Club, companies and tour operators. “It is a terrific fun day. It includes food and beverages. You don’t have necessarily to be a gambler to enjoy the excitement of the racing.”
“Because of the way the club is built, you can be at the top of the action, of the race parade rink, in close proximity of the track. It’s a good social day. It’s a great social gathering place,” he pointed out.
Horse racing is a very colourful industry and is all about excitement, Troy continued. “You watch beautiful horses racing and the jockeys in their suits. There is always the lure of the gambling, which is the primary feature of horse racing.
“It pays everyone’s salary and prizes. It’s a big industry, not only in Macau, but worldwide that provides so much employment,” he stressed.
The commentator believes that horse racing and the tourism industry are a perfect match. “It’s a further promotional tool for other industries. This is a way to make people’s weekends more exciting,” he explained.
How? By providing many other activities besides racing, said Troy, highlighting that “[the MJC offers] tremendous club facilities for members,” like basketball and football fields and a riding school, where people can do equestrian riding or jumping.
“Behind the scene there is still a lot to be seen.”
Presently, the Jockey Club has 30 jockeys from Brazil, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland, as well as 28 full time trainers. “Horse population varies…the number dropped in the past few years due to the economic downturn,” he said.

Bright future

Nevertheless, Troy believes that in the next five or 10 years horse racing will experience an expansion, not only in Macau but across Asia. “I can only see it expanding. It will explode when China opens up,” he stressed.
“Of course the law has to be changed, because China doesn’t allow gambling. It will make a tremendous opportunity for employment and the tax fund raising will allow building hospitals and other community facilities as we do in other countries.”
Although it is not possible to gamble in China, some of the major Chinese cities have “magnificent racetracks”. Troy is certain that is a matter of time for mainland China to open up to horse racing and equestrian sports.
“The [Beijing] Olympics took a great part in the equestrian sports. In Hong Kong for a couple of years, equestrian and jump shows have been there, but it is becoming more and more popular in the Mainland.”
“It [China] is getting terrific riding skills. It is fostering equestrian events and now it is also time for polo. People are becoming more and more aware and are getting more capital.
“The economy in China is doing well and people want to get out and enjoy a different sport,” he said, adding that this kind of sport is also part of the elite class, which gives social status.
According to Troy, horse racing has been around in Macau for more than 300 years, something described by a fine rider and trader from England who visited Macau and noticed that horse racing was taking place here.
“Actually, Macau is the birthplace of horse racing in Asia. The East India Company in the 18th century build a horse track at the hippodrome and races were conducted there for a number of years.
“The Royal Jockey Club in Hong Kong was founded in 1841, but they lacked a racetrack and sufficient horses, so the first races took place in Macau,” he said.
The British were the ones who brought races to Macau, before the company Happy Valley commenced operation in 1846. In the 1920s, Macau built the new race club that today is the current Macau Jockey Club.
Troy started his career in Australia several decades ago and Macau was his first adventure overseas. “I grew up on a race track, because my father was a bookie. I ran on the racetrack since I was six years old, unlike in Asia where you have to be 18 years old to come to a horse racing.
“In Australia, you can go at any age. It was just in my brain that I wanted to be a horse racer. I actually ran away from home to become a jockey,” he recalled.
Horse racing, he said, is as dangerous as any other sport. “You have to have it in your heart, I grew up with the love of horse racing.”
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2011-Jun-13, 09:50 AM

China joins the racing world



Racingandsports.com.au







China has lifted a 60-year ban on horse racing, allowing weekly races to be conducted in the central city of Wuhan from August but gambling will remain banned.

Communist authorities banned horse racing after taking power in the 1949 revolution as part of a broad clampdown on western pursuits.

Apart from the state lottery, nearly all forms of betting remain out of bounds for the Chinese, who are traditionally big gamblers.

Neighbouring Hong Kong, a former British colony, and Macau, a former Portuguese territory, boast a thriving racing industries. Macau also boasts dozens of casinos.

The General Administration of Sports has approved weekly races in Wuhan, the first city to host a commercial race in 2008. The meetings will take place from late August according to a China Daily report.

Fields of 10 to 12 will make up four to six races at each meeting. More than 200 owners have thoroughbreds ready to participate.

While there will no betting on the races a lottery will be run for those wishing to test their selection skills.

"People can win small prizes if they correctly guess which horse will win the race, but they can't bet on horses like people do on Hong Kong horse racing," Liu Hongqing, spokesperson of Wuhan's Orient Lucky City race course told the newspaper.

The races will be organised by the Hubei provincial government and run by Hong Kong-based Orient Lucky Horse Industry.
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2011-Jun-13, 12:59 PM

How old is Harry Troy now ? I seem to recall him riding till he was maybe 50 or older ? And that was at least 3 decades ago is my best guess. What year did he retire from riding ? I reckon he definately goes back to the George Moore and Athol Mulley days Undecided

seems like i aged 'arry a bit. he's turning 60 later this year, but he did start very young (age 14) and he WAS riding in the sixties  shocked I didnt realise that he rode as recently as 1998 in Macau.

http://www.mjc.mo/NEWMJCPAGE/INFO/NewsGroupViewEn.php?id=45&news_id=12917
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2011-Aug-15, 10:10 PM

When will the horses run?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/weekendextra/2011-08/07/content_13064318_2.htm
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2012-Jan-30, 06:06 PM

Good read http://www.racing.scmp.com/freeservice/news/news20120129c.asp
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2012-Apr-16, 12:34 AM

Coolmore to assist in new Chinese venture
15 Apr 2012 | Racingpost.com Coolmore will play a key role in the establishment of a multi-billion dollar thoroughbred breeding and training facility in China after Ireland was named by the Chinese government as a partner in the project on Sunday.

With its booming economy China has gradually been developing a racing industry but the new project, which will occupy a 3.3 million square metre site in the country's fourth most populated city, Tianjin, is the biggest step it has taken.

The Tianjin Equine Culture City is slated to open in 2013. The $2 billion (£1.2bn) facility will encompass two race tracks with a grandstand and clubhouse, five training tracks, 150 training bases, 4,000 horse stalls, a state-of-the-art horse clinic, an international equestrian college and an auction house.

Ireland will host seven agriculture graduates from various Chinese universities, who will spend two months at Coolmore learning the ropes of running a breeding operation.

Ireland's partnership in the project is the result of work by Simon Coveney TD, minister for agriculture, food and the marine, and his department. It marks the first Chinese government involvement with an overseas joint-venture in racing and breeding.

The launch of the breeding programme includes the agreement to import over 100 mares from Ireland in the next three years. The project will also involve the acquisition of stallions.

Coolmore has been invited as the initial joint-venture partner and it is expected that there will be opportunities for other Irish companies and individuals to participate in the project as it develops.

The racing venture will require between 600 and 800 horses for its inaugural year, which is targeted to have around 40 race days. Discussions are ongoing with regard to where they will be sourced, but the partnership with Ireland means it will have favoured status as a supplier.

Coolmore's JP Magnier said: "We are delighted to be one of the first Irish companies to kick-start this partnership and represent Ireland's hugely successful horse breeding and racing industries.

"Today's announcement marks the culmination of huge efforts by the Irish Government and department of agriculture, led by Minister Coveney, who have been trying to develop new Irish trade links with China. The sector plays a huge part in the Irish economy, currently generating €1.1bn annually.

"This industry is something we are good at, and today one of the biggest markets in the world has recognised that and has chosen to partner with Ireland."

Coveney said: "Today's announcement of a partnership involving Ireland to develop a major racing and breeding operation in China arises from the pre-eminent position that Ireland holds in the thoroughbred breeding world.

"This initiative should facilitate the development of a major export market for horses from Ireland and has the potentialto provide a range of business opportunities for companies and individuals in Ireland who can bring a wide range of expertise to the project.

"Coolmore Stud is recognised as a world leader in thoroughbred breeding and is to be commended for their involvement in this major project."


 
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2012-Apr-16, 10:08 PM

This is big big news surely.
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2012-Apr-29, 08:34 PM

Thanks for putting up   this info....
Surely Coolmore will sourcesome Aus horse for them?
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