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Original Post 2010-Nov-29, 08:27 AM

Smoken Up's win the other night got me thinking where does he sit with some past greats?

An amazing stat his owner produced the other night is he had ran 2nd in 8 Group 1's and in total been

beaten 5 meters. He has happened to bump into Black's a fake who Hutchy I think it was on Sat night that

he was the best pacer of all time but I completely disagree as there will never be one as good as Popular Alm

but thats a different topic.

Here are some stats and you guys can judge in order of just a few horses who I rate about Smoken Up's mark.

Smoken Up - $1.4 Mill - 1.50.9

82 Starts 40 Wins 31 Placings - Has run against one of the all time best in Blackie and ran placings in 2 Inters finals, 2 Victoria cups, Won a MM
ran placing in another MM and 2 placings in Auckland Cups. Always doing most of the bullocking and being sitting duck.

Sokyola - $1.9 Mill - 1.54.6

161 Starts 78 wins 42 placings - Love to lead in his races and one he had the throat surgury he become top class. Won 2 MM's and a placing in WA Inter.
Won countless Country Cups and Winter Cup. Did win most of his races from in front and did he win enough at top level???

Shakamaker - $2.2 Mill - 1.55.0

81 Starts 46 Wins 22 Placings - Simply brilliant when at his best with amazing finishing sprint. Won his hometown Inter in style and also a Vic Cup. Tas championship
2yo gold final & WA derby wins showed he was against best from day 1. Ran 2nd to Smooth Satin in another inter. Brad Pitt of harness racing and walked the walk.
Could unleash out wide and had plenty of gatespeed also. Wasn't much this bloke couldn't do.

The Falcon Strike - $1.2 Mill - 1.54.5

78 Starts 41 Wins 17 Placings - Wonder WA speed horse that no one in WA got close to. 2nd to Jofess in Inter in WA and won 3 WA pacing Cup and 3 Fremantle Cups.
Newcastle mile winner but was never the same horse once he crossed the border. Put up herculian runs in home state week after week.

Westburn Grant - $2.1 Mill - 1.55.6

67 Starts 38 Wins 18 Placings. One of the first real speed machines. Would get to the front and it was game over. 2 MM wins and Melb Inter that looked effortless. Won
Derbies and 2 Benson & Hedges (hehe) in Perth. Winter champs in QLD to Legends and Italian Cups. This guy won them all. Even beat the great Village Kid on his home turf.

Smooth Satin - $1.4 Mill - 1.55.4

122 Starts 46 Wins 48 Placings - What was this guy a sit sprinter or iron horse? He would win from anywhere. Won HP Inter which blew everyone away. 2nd in Hunter Cup and MM and twice in Truer. Won chariots and countless Cups also. With pace on and a soft run then very few could sprint with this guy. Did he win enough of the big ones though??

These are clearly not the best of all time but some of the greats about Smoken Up's mark. Has he fially done enough now to not be equal with these

horses but maybe have gone past them. Put your oder from 1 to 6 and will be interesting where he comes in.

Your Thoughts???


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2011-Dec-22, 07:13 AM

TeeDee writes ... 2011-Dec-21, 10:52 PM

Just been going through Inter winners that could find their way into your field

Elsu
Village Kid
Preaux Chevalier

Koala King was no champion, good horse but no champion. I'd rank him alongside a horse like Washakie

Mate, I had both Village Kid & Preux Chevalier in the field

Elsu was good on his day but generally not up to the others.

Do you remember an injury plagued freak by the name of Sinbad Bay?


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2011-Dec-22, 07:28 AM

Remember How Wes (spelt something like that).


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2011-Dec-22, 07:32 AM

henry writes ... 2011-Dec-22, 07:28 AM

Remember How Wes (spelt something like that).

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2011-Dec-22, 07:34 AM

firezuki writes ... 2011-Dec-22, 04:32 AM

Too true Vo. Had a brilliant sprint did the Koala. But only a fairly short one. He needed to be boxed up and get
the split at the right time. But with the sprint lane these days, he would have won a lot more races.
His record is still bloody impressive for all that.

This is a highly underestimated point and for mine makes Smoken Up even better.

Koala King Wins more but Gammalite most likely wins less with a sprint lane. Gammalite would plough into leaders on 800m and anything on the

fence would cop the leader in their face in home straight. Imagine if Poppy just handed up to Gammalite every race and had a sprint lane. Gammalite may not have beat him ever.

These days they all have every chance to beat Smoken Up after he has done all the work at the start,middle and end of a race...


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2011-Dec-22, 08:33 AM

TeeDee writes ... 2011-Dec-21, 10:41 PM

One of CC's biggest runs was either running 2nd in an Inter or winning a heat carrying a flat tyre for the trip.

He narowly won the 1st heat of the 99 Inter from the outside draw when definitely carrying an injury(just managed to beat Country Duke), and ran 3rd to Breeny's Fella & Shakamaker in the 2000 Vic cup carrying the knock on his problem tendon that was re-injured when running into Saab in the Hunter Cup. That Hunter Cup run & his 2nd to Homes DG in the northern Derby were great runs. Think Cullen fans are separated into those who were present at the 98 miracle Mile like myself, who tend to think he was the 2nd coming, and those who werent who are probably more objective! tongue


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2012-Jan-24, 11:42 PM

He just keeps knocking 'em over: (14th January at Globe Derby Park Adelaide) http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=95135

and we get another chance to see him on Saturday 28th January when he takes on Sushi Sushi at Ballarat.


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2012-Jan-25, 09:24 AM

What's the outcome of the positive he returned.......that was months ago. Shrug


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Arsenal writes ... 2012-Jan-25, 09:24 AM

What's the outcome of the positive he returned.......that was months ago. Shrug

http://www.mobilerolling.com/

Was this the outcome you are asking about?

Smoke disqualified - Quinn declared Inter Dominion winner ?

1 November 2011 - Gutted!

That was how Australian harness racing driver and trainer Lance Justice described Smoken Up's disqualification from first place in the 2011 Inter Dominion Grand Final staged at Auckland's Alexandra Park in April.

New Zealand's Racing Integrity Unit made the decision last night. When Harnesslink contacted Victorian-based Justice his phone was running red hot. "I only received the news some 20 minutes ago," Justice told Harnesslink just prior to 11pm (NZ time) this evening. "I'm gutted and haven't even had the chance to speak to my counsel yet, but I'm almost certain there will be an appeal.

He said he was adamant that he did not administer DMSO to Smoken Up before, during, or after the running of the $800,000 Group One Final. "Why would I? The horse has proved time and time again that he can win without drugs. I'm not that sort of person. This is so sad for racing, so sad for the horse and so sad for me. We don't deserve this - we are completely innocent," Justice said. He said he would now be seeking advice from the pacer's owners and his counsel as to whether or not Smoken Up would still board a plane this Sunday bound for the New Zealand Trotting Cup at Addington Raceway next Tuesday (November .

"There's no use us spitting the dummy and burying our heads in the sand. We have to stand tall and push on but one thing I do know is horse security in New Zealand badly needs a shake-up. "I said if New Zealand racing stewards did not put one-to-one security on each horse on Cup Day I would get someone from the Mongrel Mob to do our minding.

"I might have been a bit strong with my wording but they have guaranteed me that my horse would be protected. I can't risk having him nobbled again. I remember at Auckland it was very slack and now on hindsight that has cost us," Justice said. He believed that if he had won the case New Zealand's slack security would have remianed the same, but now that he has lost it, he was confident tighter security measures would be put in place. - Duane Ranger

The result of the appeal was a negative for lance Justice - the Review Board upheld the Positive Swab disqualification:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/justice-wins-out-as-smoken-up-takes-cup-20111218-1p0mb.html

and 24 hours earlier, this story - alluding to a High Court Appeal, appeared in the SMH:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/justice-quest-smoken-up-disqualification-challenged-20111217-1ozsm.html


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2012-Jan-25, 02:58 PM

Thanks Janice..... beer


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