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Original Post 2011-Jan-26, 05:06 PM

CRAQUELURE was disqualified from a race it won, because of an embargo, put on it because of a bleeding attack.

Going through the records, it looks like it had had 3 months off, so not sure what the deal is about disqualifying it, and fining Willick.

Only thing I can think of is the horse has to gallop again in front of stewards before racing, but hasn't.

But either way isn't that a bit harsh, taking the race off the horse ?

Bleeders are trouble some, sometimes you can only get a couple of runs out of them, and this one has just had won taken off him. Thumb Down

http://www.racingqueensland.com.au/Articles_ViewArticle.aspx?id=554
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2011-Jan-26, 05:21 PM

Magic
It bled on 28/10/10 was  Reinstated by a steward 11/01/11 according to RISA.
It won a race on 22/01/11, three months off would of been 28/01/11.
I understand what you are saying having had a couple of bleeders ourselves.
I am not too sure if a bleeder can be reinstated within its 3 month bar and I don't agree with the fine Alicia copped.
If they are not allowed to be reinstated isn't the steward partly at fault for reinstatement
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2011-Jan-26, 05:27 PM

So you are saying that the steward lifted the embargo, before it should have been what

Was just going off the R&S website, and it said 12 weeks, and 2 days between runs chin
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2011-Jan-26, 06:29 PM

BLEEDING ATTACKS
AR 53A
(1) An attack of bleeding shall be the appearance of blood at both
nostrils, irrespective of quantity, unless in the opinion of the
Stewards such bleeding was caused by external trauma.
(2) If a horse suffers an attack of bleeding at any time the fact of
such bleeding shall be reported by the Trainer without delay to
the Stewards.
(3) If any Principal Racing Authority advises in writing that any
horse has suffered an attack or attacks of bleeding such advice
shall be prima facie evidence that such horse has suffered an
attack or attacks of bleeding.
(4) A horse which has in the opinion of the Stewards suffered an
attack of bleeding shall not without permission of the
Stewards:
(a) be trained, exercised or galloped on any racecourse for a
period of two months thereafter;
(b) start in any race for a period of three months, and then
only after a satisfactory gallop of at least 1,000 metres in
the presence of a Steward.
(5) If a horse suffers more than one attack of bleeding such horse
shall be ineligible to start in any race.
(6) If a horse displays blood at one nostril, the trainer shall without
delay report such occurrence to the Stewards.
(7) Unless the Stewards are satisfied that the presence of blood
provided for in sub-rule (6) was attributable to external trauma,
the horse shall before racing again be required to undergo a
satisfactory gallop of at least 1,000 metres in the presence of a
Steward. [sub-rules (6) and (7) added 1/12/05]
AR 53B Following a horse suffering a bleeding attack the Stewards
shall:
(a) record such bleeding attack and any related embargo
imposed on the horse in the National Stewards Embargo
Register, and also, if applicable, record such bleeding
attack and any related embargo imposed on the horse in
the horse’s Document of Description which shall be
presented by the trainer to the Stewards as soon as
possible after the bleeding attack; and
(b) record the National Stewards Embargo Register any
subsequent permission given for the horse to resume
racing, and also, if applicable, in the horse’s Document of
Description, which shall be presented as soon as
possible by the trainer to the Stewards for that purpose.


I dont think so after reading AR53 4(B) But the system should of picked it up.
Wonder how many more have slipped through the system chin
Being a relatively newcomer to this forum have we ever had a topic  Stewards Stuff Ups or something similar
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2011-Jan-26, 06:36 PM

Ms Willick was working on 3 x 30 days as the ban.   It's 3 "calendar months".  So she was a couple of days shy.

The horse can go and win another Class 1 now.

The last race was some compensation.  "It's hard enough to win one without losing it like that" said Alicia. Sad
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2011-Jan-26, 06:49 PM

Did she/they win on the punt ?

Are we the only country that has this 3 month ban for bleeders ?

If so, WHY ?
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2011-Jan-26, 06:53 PM

The Stewards point is that it's the "trainer's responsibility". unsure

Technically, the horse has to be disqualified because it was "ineligible" until the 3 calendar months expired.
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2011-Jan-26, 08:15 PM

read the rules can't be worked on a track for 2 months must trial or gallop over 1000 mts in front of the steward before it races, the steward that passed it didn't know the rules it seems,

author they are banned here because it's drug free racing and after seeing horses drop in a race from a bleeding attack it's a good rule.
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2011-Jan-26, 08:18 PM

She'd have to get off on appeal, how can they fine her when they accepted her nomination  what

Surely there is systems in place for this sort of stuff  chin
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2011-Jan-26, 08:19 PM

Exactly my thinking. = Probably not good for you Gintara.
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2011-Jan-26, 08:23 PM

gt if the handicapper allots your horse the wrong weight its up to the trainer to inform the stewards or get fined don't you know it's allways the trainers fault  chin
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2011-Jan-26, 08:27 PM

gt if the handicapper allots your horse the wrong weight its up to the trainer to inform the stewards or get fined don't you know it's allways the trainers fault  chin


Is that fair dinkum ?

I remember  David Hayes horse being in trouble for sometihing a long those  lines.
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2011-Jan-26, 08:47 PM

yep
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2011-Jan-27, 06:45 AM

An appeal was considered.  So was the likely outcome and the cost.
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2011-Jan-27, 07:13 PM

How was the horse allowed to run?

If it was ineligible, surely that should have been picked up by officials before the race??
I am sure if she nominated a Class 1 horse for a maiden they would have picked it up.
Surely for the sake of a few days, given the fact the stewards approved the horse and allowed it to run the disqualification is more than ample penalty??

Ms Willick is one of,if not the best trainer in Qld.
Hopefully this is a small speedbump for her
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