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Original Post 2011-Apr-10, 01:53 PM
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Wet Track selections here.
Based on what ever it is you like about a horse on slow/heavy tracks.
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 2011-Apr-10, 02:35 PM
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Don't bet on them and you'll retire much earlier.
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 2011-Apr-10, 05:41 PM
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 The horse that inspired this thread, ran in Victoria, a first starter called Musician is bred to go in the wet. She failed, she made ground in the straight but that was not what I was hopping. The race was too soon for me to post the tip here. I thought you, DD had a thread discussing wet tracks ? Perhaps it was in another sperate thread.
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Jim Pike
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 2011-Apr-10, 05:59 PM
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Matt do you know why some breeds prefer wet tracks?
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 2011-Apr-16, 11:04 AM
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Matt do you know why some breeds prefer wet tracks?
I don't know, but I have a theory that MORE stamina is required on Heavy tracks. The fact that some stallions have a greater influence on wet tracks indicates to me that conformation probably plays a part as well. I would think if people had doubts about a particular horse staying a certain distance, than a Heavy track will not help there cause even if they are mud larks.
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 2011-Apr-16, 02:33 PM
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it is all conformation, of course if a horse isn't fit a wet track will find him out sooner but if it isn't a wet tracker it will get tired sooner because they tend to tense up and use more energy going nowhere
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 2011-Apr-16, 07:56 PM
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Overall conformation or shoulder area Jim ? Just curious is all. As I have a bit of a theory myself. (don't we all???)
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 2011-Apr-18, 03:31 PM
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Mainly the shoulder area, the angle of the shoulder is what dictates the stride, the stride dictates whether they can handle wet tracks, of course there can be a mental thing too, the main rule in racing is that there are no set rules that work in all situations, Champions can some times do the impossible and throw all rules out the door, with MJ was it the heavy track or did she go to the well once too often in her last 2 preps? or was it a combination of both? Horses also have to be fit enough for a hard slog in the wet as well
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 2011-Apr-18, 05:04 PM
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Horses with white feet can go poorly in the wet, too.
But it's a rule that only works sometimes.
The Sky boys are adamant that grey horses go well in wet, too. Again, I think it's a matter of MAY go well in the wet.
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 2011-Apr-18, 09:59 PM
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I think the size of the hoof may have something to do with getting a better grip
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 2011-Apr-19, 03:52 AM
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You boys are either guessing or being facetious, what I said is fact, the size of their Hooves or their colour has absolutely no bearing on their wet track ability
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 2011-Apr-19, 08:24 AM
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Ok Jim,. I'll bow to your unquestionable knowledge 
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 2011-Apr-19, 01:40 PM
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mate I wasn't trying to be a smart arse, just I know that Conformation and the stride is what makes a wet tracker, most horses have average hoof size and most are not wet trackers, the angle of the shoulder is the main criteria for determining the wet track ability, some horses get better as they get more practice but are never "genuine" wet trackers, Champions will give their best sometimes and will win in spite of a wet track not because of it, horses like Sacred Choice that are genuine wet trackers have a certain angle to their shoulder, of course she is very good and is still capable of winning races on better ground against inferior opposition
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 2011-Apr-19, 09:10 PM
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I know of no trainer in the world who would be so silly as to try to predict whether or not a horse will handle soft without first trying it out.
I don't expect to get the answer from an internet forum.
But, the Sky Channel commentors seem to know. Grey horses; just get on.
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 2011-Apr-19, 09:52 PM
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Most trainers don't bother looking at other trainers horses or studying what type of horse handles wet tracks, and I could care less what anyone thinks there IS a type that handles wet tracks and they vary immensely according to how heavy the track is and They ARE identifiable before ever having started on a wet track
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