Racehorse TALK

He just wins


Interesting to see how the Chevron goes

So sad.  The poverty of Australia's middle distance gallopers at present is really pitiful.  It's hard to take the demands for more staying races seriously when this is the best field we can muster for a Brisbane Cup.

Surely there are better mile and a half horses in Queensland than this.

 

Agree Tonts, at least we can hope GH wins well to stamp himself as a pretty good one, although yes I know will just give our stocks another kick in the guts...

if GH does win this ill be looking forward to seeing him in the spring. hopefully whobe and zipping can come back well to see if he is in the same class as them

well i am going to have a saver on Streets Away...the horse won me 4 grand so he owes me nothing.

I don't think so.  Remember Queensland is the home of Magic Millions, and I tend to think that has had an impact on Queensland breeding.  We do breed for sprinters, but I think Queensland does so disproportionately.  This leaves little or no staying stock (and I use that term loosely, Queenslanders probably think 1800m is a staying test), and no real intent on importing (from interstate or overseas) that stock by providing the races.

Pre race it's always about the field - post race it's about the winner.

No one goes yeah but what did Shocking and Viewed beat.

Actually we do.

Take out GH and Crime Scene and Mourilyan would be even money favourites in this.

You would think that with Australia's middle distance ranks looking very thin it would make sense to open the race to as many gallopers as possible but by running the Brisbane Cup on the same day as the Derby virtually excludes three year olds from the race.  And this race needs three year olds.

If the Cup  were run after the classics there is every chance that some three year olds would back up for the Cup but that is never going to happen if both the Cup and the Derby are held on the same day.

The curious thing about Queensland racing is that both the Oaks and Derby have full and competitive fields for the 2400m classics, and yet 12 months later they are flat out getting the numbers for the Cup.  If Mike Moroney's float breaks down this race is in real trouble !

So where do they go ?  It seems that those that run well in the classics fix their sights on Melbourne and Sydney and those that fail in the classics abandon their middle distance careers there and then. 

More Glass Harmonium's and Kingdom of Fife's please. We need them.  Otherwise the cupboard is bare.

everyone always bitches about the quality of Australia's Stayers and I do no disagree but few staying races go around without 3 place totes being paid, I don't watch many overseas staying races but of the ones I do watch there seems to be 4 or 5 runners in a lot of them so how good are they going?

We are obsessed with Breeding sprinters and that is why we are obsessed with srinting races not the other way around, I remember back in the 50's and 60's we had many Champion staying Sires like Delville Wood, Alcimedes, Agricola and Oncidium etc Breeding Stayers is not and never will be as lucrative as Breeding sprinters that is a fact, the more mature a horse is as a Yearling the better chance you have of it bringing the big bucks, Sprinters mature faster than does Stayers, I know I am the first to blame breeders but I can't see stayers ever being a priority for the breeding industry here and I can see whyThey are on a good thing and will stick to it, don't like it but can't change it

Back to the Brisbane Cup I think there are a couple of promising stayers and the Top Weight looks a contender in the spring if you go through Shoot Out, GH beat SO as well as WBGY and Co did last spring, not saying he is any SYT but he looks in the next tier down, Tullamore and The Chevron are promising stayers for the future and Ironstein's record at  2400 is pretty good in his few goes at it, I think I have seen worse races, it is certainly a better "race" (not better field) than the Doomben Cup or the Eagle Farm Cup where there were only a couple of chances for exotics and isn't that what racing is all about? do we want Champions going around in every race? take SYT out of them races he has overseas (and I have only viewed the first one)and you would have a pretty ordinary field and with no numbers either, I reckon we should count our blessings

I agree with Steve, let History decide  just how good the field is

Obsessive's on forums do - that's about it.

Breeders are only giving BUYERS what they want.

Ther are plenty of stayng types bred but they don't sell.

Blame the trainers, syndicators and those shortsighted people who buy racehorses. Not those who breed them