Racehorse TALK

Ummm I think the competition & integrity of racing is at an all time high.

Pete on this one I do not totally disagree with you, one of the reasons I believe it is getting harder to win these days and it is only my opinion is the need to have dead tracks, horses that continually race on Fast tracks will tend to be much more consistent, fast(dr)y is fast, anything else and you have degrees and uneven tracks, it can be very hard to pick bias when it is subtle, it may only be a length or 2 and some horses will still win inspite of the bias and that makes it look like ther is no bias, on Dead or worse tracks with long grass it is not hard, it is impossible to have it even all over, even more so when it is artificially created, the big stables don't care because they rely on the law of averages to even it out, they lose some but win a lot more, the ones it really affects is any small stable who like a bet, they have to win the day they put the money on, running 3rd or 4th when the money is on then winning the next one when they are hot fav doesn't help, it also is detrimental to the average Punter, if you back a horse today and it gets beaten by bias then wins next time you can't collect the bet,

When Bias is obvious it is a lot better, it might look bad but it is a lot better than when it is subtle, when obvious all the horses/Jockeys will go looking for the best ground, when it is only a slight advantage and some horses buck the trend it makes it very hard to tell, you get a couple of horses win by a length on the worse part of a track when they may have won by 4 on an even track the rest of the day everyone thinks that part of the track is OK
Very few races are won by big margins, might only be a 2 lengths margin between 1st and 5th but there is a bloody big difference on a betting ticket

In short Punters would be much better off if we had a majority of fast tracks or Good 2's mostly I blame the you guessed it, breeding industry, the horses that we are breeding today are obviously much weaker(boned) than the old colonial breeds of the past! they can't carry weight, they can't handle good tracks without pulling up sore,

I do think they are killing the goose that laid the golden egg and they wonder why Sports betting is growing at the expense of the thoroughbred industry

For this reason don't necessarily back what I actually think will win, I look at it from a price point of view, like any product you want to buy, be it a car/House etc you do not always get the one that you want, you have to shop with in your budget, same with gambling, it is all about price, not necessarily the longest price but the one that I consider to be the most overs, I have long ago realised that no matter what price they are or how much study I do most of my bets will get beat for this reason I know that I must get top prices for everything I back, when you shop for a car you have some idea of what you are looking for and some idea of how much you are willing to pay for it, punting is no different

Totally agree re: Fast/Good tracks.

That is the one major advantage of betting in Perth.

I don't follow media tipsters at all. I'm sure most wouldn't.
I really can't see the benefit of having so many media tipsters anyway, what's the point? Maybe 2 in each state is sufficient. Surely that's enough to please whoever looks at them. 

People must remember the newspaper tipsters are having a stab 2 days out & even they probably change their mind, come the time of the race. So again comes back to what is the point of having them?

Maybe it's only to create interest in a race??

 

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Shhh Cal or people will wake up to it 

i think Deano has a bit on the Monty's, the Hatts and the Matt's of the world....the games changed Pete...most pro's wouldn't even bet on Melb/Sydney winter races

I wonder if changing to handicap ratings are playing a part?  Maybe making races more competitive, therefore making it harder to win races?

Just a thought.

they race 9 tab meetings a week in Vic.....1 saturday metro with fixed odds going up wednesday night ur looking at an over analyzed product...markets are worked out....then add in a dominant trainer Moody......add in very tactical race riding ....example no pace and the end result is a tricky, no value for being rewarded for hard work...most pro's prefer less discussed meets as u can still find value..ie....3 of  the other 8 meetings

 exactly so review your winning days and find the pattern of ur wins...where when how much....the hard work is culling ur bad habit

Peter,

This varaince you are whining about is EASILY taken advantage of via exotics betting..... and with no inside information whatsoever.

Yes you have to bet a different way. Beats whining.

Fours