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Author Topic: SHOEING PROBLEMS: might as well not bother!  (Read 1001 times)
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equethyws
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Original Post 2011-Oct-07, 11:28 AM

Hi,

I feel sorry for some jockeys some times its just not possible to overcome things that are out of their control.  They are often blamed for the lack of skills of the farriers!

I have just seen some pictures taken of some youngsters waiting for their race at a recent Sydney race.

They had the most appalling shoeing issues! There were obvious issues clearly visible that just should not be allowed to happen to a horse in competition!  Things that would have given them gait issues enough to slow them up and musculo-skeletal issues after the race.

I am involved in the professional training of Equine Podiotherapists so I do know what I am talking about.  These horses had hooves with obvious flaring.......unecessary flaring because their farrier just doesn't understand how to trim properly not does he realist he is setting these horses up for distal limb trauma.

Why is the race industry allowing young horses to be so badly shod?  Why are the stewards not recognising this?

Maybe some trainers on this list can explain to me.  This is a no brainer ...........any self taught barefoot trimming housewife could do a better job!

Yes I am annoyed as it seems such a shame to see young animals set up for failure before they even get started.

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2011-Oct-07, 08:04 PM

Lay 'em on BF.
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2011-Oct-07, 08:21 PM

I have to agree with equethyws.

There are many poor farriers out there who do more harm than good.

The problem trainers have, is the supply and demand thing.

Very few people want to spend their life breaking their back under a horse these days.

Once one poor farrier is allowed to flourish because of this, he will train his apprentices the same way and the problem multiplies
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2011-Oct-07, 08:26 PM

well equs i will tell you how to fix it. get a stable of horses and if everyone else's horses are shod so badly and you being the expert will have your horses shod perfectly then you will win all the races and then the opposition trainers and farriers will sit up and take notice.
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2011-Oct-11, 09:50 AM

So, equethyws, we conclude that horses are running in races having been shod by incompetent farriers.  OK.

I note you have seen some pictures from a Sydney race.

Maybe you can post a few samples to educate us in this area.

And I expect you've done some research that confirms that horses that are poorly-shod (by your criteria) perform at a lower level than those that are correctly-shod (by your criteria)?  Or are you just working on the premise that "it seems right that such would be the case"?
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2011-Oct-11, 10:08 AM

Always better to run with Nike's on than Dunlop Volleys.   
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dubbledee
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2011-Oct-11, 10:09 AM

Has someone questioned that, Zoro?  chin
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2011-Oct-11, 10:24 AM



And I expect you've done some research that confirms that horses that are poorly-shod (by your criteria) perform at a lower level than those that are correctly-shod (by your criteria)?  Or are you just working on the premise that "it seems right that such would be the case"?



el zorro is probably trying to find a  metaphor for what you said
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2011-Oct-11, 10:40 AM

My farrier reckons you have to look after the horses feet properly from an early age or the horse will be prone to problems throughout. I don't doubt that but I have no data to back it up either. I would think it would be commonsense to look after a horses feet. The healthier a horse, the more chance to perform to it's potential. Again I have no data on that so probably cannot be proved with scientific evidence.   huh     
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2011-Oct-11, 11:06 AM

I think it is more to do with shaping the horses hoof, and the angle of petal bone, that your farrier is talking about EZ, and keeping your horse shorter in the toe, and giving him heal.

Disclaimer, I am no farrier smiley
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2011-Oct-11, 11:23 AM

I would guess the shaping of the hoof to get the optimum angle would be important but I have no knowledge if some farriers use a guide to get exact angles. Rather I think they guess the angle thru experience on the job.  tongue
I think it could be beneficial to get some study done for this but farriering (is that a word?) seems to be more an art then a science. 
 
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2011-Oct-11, 11:44 AM

Some motherhood statements here.  chin

I doubt any sensible person would not accept that the care and condition of a racehorse's feet are critical to its performance on the track.

The question is whether "equine podiotherapy" is in fact a science that provides quantifiable benefits, or just another one of those practices that sounds impressive, but which in reality does nothing to improve the animal's health and well-being.

I'd expect that today's vets and professional farriers have a good handle on things.  Happy to be educated otherwise if that's not the case.
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2011-Oct-11, 12:08 PM


I think my best reply would be to post a paragraph from a recommendation from one of the vets who has attended the EPT course.  As I said in another post vets and farriers don't have a handle on this unless they have bothered to look at other sports as the research has outstripped the delivery of the information. 

The vet below had an enquiring mind and was not quite happy with the results of traditional treatments so wanted to study under Professor Bowker as she had seen his published work and thought it important.  Many vets don't have the time or inclincation to look at new research.


Dr Luff wrote:

The Diploma of Equine Podiotherapy is much more than a "how to trim a hoof" course.  We have learnt how to assess the whole horse, and apply the hoof care most appropiate.  As a vet, it has given me an additional treatment option especially for those previously frustrating cases and hoof care now forms part of my treatment plan. I know WHAT to do, WHY it needs to be done and can simply explain it to the client from a scientific basis, and HOW to carry it out.  It has really filled in the gap between vet and hoof care, and the horses and clients are seeing the benefits.

Dr Luff, Busselton, WA


As for the question about EPT being impressive.  I have not seen one single shod horse that has not improved with this type of trimming. Thats why I feel its so important for it to become well known especially in the race industry where the greatest amount of hoof deformation occurs.




Some motherhood statements here.  chin

I doubt any sensible person would not accept that the care and condition of a racehorse's feet are critical to its performance on the track.

The question is whether "equine podiotherapy" is in fact a science that provides quantifiable benefits, or just another one of those practices that sounds impressive, but which in reality does nothing to improve the animal's health and well-being.

I'd expect that today's vets and professional farriers have a good handle on things.  Happy to be educated otherwise if that's not the case.


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2011-Oct-11, 01:00 PM

equethyws

I note the testimonial, but really that would not be convincing to a skeptic.  Every alternate health practice can provide a sheath of glowing testimonials from both "patients" and new trainees.

But that's not to say whatever it is you're teaching is not a valid practice that has benefit.

These horses for which you saw photos in Sydney...were they in leading stables?  and are you convinced that horses who race with such shoeing faults do not win races?
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2011-Oct-11, 01:20 PM

This thread reminds me. I've gotta go and see my reflexologist.....
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