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Original Post 2008-Feb-24, 10:35 AM

Stunning looking stallion Thorn Park got his first black type winner up when Te Akau Coup won the 2yo race in NZ yesterday,I presume the same owners as Princess Coup.
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2010-Jan-23, 11:31 AM

JIMMY CHOUX (NZ) Bay colt 2007
Thorn Park
Chestnut 1999
Spinning World
Chestnut 1993
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Imperfect Circle
Bay or brown 1988
Riverman
Bay 1969
Never Bend
River Lady
1960
1963
19-b
10-a
Aviance
Chestnut 1982
Northfields
Minnie Hauk
1968
1975
4-r
8-f
Joy
Bay 1993
Bluebird
Bay 1984
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
Ivory Dawn
Bay 1978
Sir Ivor
Dusky Evening
1965
1967
8-g
9-b
Christmas Spirit
Bay 1986
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Joy and Fun
Bay 1978
Showdown
Denise's Joy
1961
1972
6-b
16-c
Cierzo
Bay 1999
Centaine
Brown 1980
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Rainbeam
Bay 1973
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Rain Shadow
Black 1967
Todman
Rain Mist
1954
1955
1-u
C7
Gale
Bay 1993
Wild Rampage
Bay 1983
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Frivolous Lass
Bay 1978
In the Purple
Frivole
1966
1965
11-d
10-d
Imposing Choice
Bay 1987
Imposing
Chestnut 1975
Todman
Hialeah
1954
1963
1-u
1-c
Smart Choice
Bay 1977
Gentlemans Game
Imbrosecco
1964
1958
2-n
16-g
Ancestor duplications: Northern Dancer 4m,5m x Bletchingly 4f x 4m Todman x 5f,5m
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2011-Feb-05, 09:03 PM

Two big wins for the beautiful Thorn Park today

Jimmy Choux at Te Rapa and Centennial Park at Rosehill  Cocktail
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2011-Feb-08, 01:13 PM

Good that you're keeping tabs on these fellows, RH.

Will be just a matter of time before we see one win a Stradbroke.
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2011-Feb-08, 02:53 PM

Good that you're keeping tabs on these fellows, RH.

Will be just a matter of time before we see one win a Stradbroke.



Won't be this year. wink
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2011-Mar-06, 09:39 AM

Noteworthy milestone yesterday when JIMMY CHOUX won the NZ Derby.
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2011-Mar-06, 02:35 PM

Very impressive win. Didn't go an inch in the ground, but still too good. Sydney next stop.
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2011-Mar-09, 06:24 PM

Crown of Thorn

‘Keep yourself in the best company and your horses in the worst’ is a time-honoured maxim, most notably propounded by the Hon George Lambton in his classic memoir, ‘Men and horses I have known’,

writes John Berry

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One man who failed to adhere to Lambton’s advice was the recently deceased one-time Adelaide trainer Les Samba, whose failure to keep himself in the best company arguably led to his recent murder. However, Samba was equally guilty of failing to keep his horses in the worst company. That apparent failing, however, proved to be no disadvantage: being a good judge of horseflesh, Samba, for whom David Hayes has provided the perfect epitaph of “a good bloke”, bought nice horses who were well able to hold their own in good company. The perfect example of his selections was Thorn Park, who has provided another happy tribute to his former owner, less than a week after Samba’s death, by siring the New Zealand Derby winner Jimmy Choux.

In truth, one didn’t need to be too prescient a judge of young horses to pick Thorn Park out as a yearling: he is a magnificent specimen who boasts a lovely pedigree. Being a member of the first-crop of the top-class and regally-bred miler Spinning World and a descendant of the top-class racemare and great matriarch Denise's Joy, Thorn Park was always an obviously exciting prospect. Having been bought by Samba for $200,000 at the William Inglis Easter Yearling Sale in 2001, he joined Bobby Thomsen’s stable at Randwick before showing over the following three seasons that he could live up to his looks and lineage.

On both sides of his pedigree, Thorn Park descends from horses who had been very good at two and even better in subsequent seasons. Spinning World, whose first Group/Grade One victory came in the 1996 Irish 2,000 Guineas and whose fifth and final such success came in the 1997 Breeders’ Cup Mile 18 months later, had been a Group Three winner at two before graduating to the top at three and four. Denise’s Joy, Thorn Park’s fourth dam, had been a very good two-year-old, finishing second to Toy Show in the Golden Slipper in 1975, before becoming a true star at three, when her haul included victories in the VRC Oaks, WATC Australian Derby and the QTC Oaks, as well as minor placings in the VATC Thousand Guineas, AJC Oaks and QTC Derby. The following season (1976/’77) saw Denise’s Joy’s half-brother Great Lover land the AJC Derby. It has become the norm for Denise’s Joy’s descendants to improve as they get older, a trend typified by her Queensland Oaks-winning daughter Joie Denise, the only one of Denise’s Joy’s ten foals to score at either Group or Listed level. Thorn Park fitted perfectly into the family tradition by being very good at two and even better thereafter.

Bobby Thomsen would have been well aware of the traits of Thorn Park’s family. Prior to becoming a trainer in 1976, the former jockey had spent nine years as foreman to Tommy Smith, the latter part of this period coinciding with Denise’s Joy’s time at Tulloch Lodge. He duly mapped out an appropriate campaign for Thorn Park: a light two-year-old season in preparation for busier times at three and four. Thorn Park consequently made his debut towards the end of the 2001/’02 season, easily winning a 1200m two-year-old handicap at Rosehill towards the end of June, ridden by Darren Beadman. The champion jockey was impressed, saying that the colt was “pretty special”, while Thomsen explained, “He showed that sort of ability eight months ago, but I put the lid on him. He’s got the acceleration of a good horse and he’s got the looks; he’s intelligent and he’s bred in the purple. He’s a very, very exciting horse”. Thorn Park won again the following month before turning three, at which point Thomsen started to aim higher.

Thomsen’s hopes that Thorn Park would be competitive in the Caulfield Guineas in the spring proved premature, but come the autumn the colt was indeed able to graduate to the highest class. He ended the Autumn Carnival in Melbourne with a good third in the Group One Australian Guineas over 1600m at Flemington, chasing home Delago Brom and Tycoon Ruler, before returning to Sydney. During the Autumn Carnival there he continued his progress by winning two Group Two races: the Hobartville Stakes at Randwick over 1400m and the Peter Pan Stakes at Rosehill over 1500m. As a four-year-old Thorn Park was better still. He recorded his first weight-for-age victory very early in the season when landing the Group Two Premiere Stakes over 1200m at Rosehill, beating the subsequent Doncaster Handicap winner Patezza by a long head. Taken back down to Melbourne, he won the Group Three Moonga Stakes over 1400m at Caulfield early in the spring before ending the Carnival with a Group One placing, finishing third to the seasoned Group One mare (Our) Egyptian Raine in the Emirates Classic over 1200m on the final day of the Flemington meeting. In a busy campaign (he raced 13 times as a four-year-old) Thorn Park again showed up for the Sydney Autumn Carnival, but it was in Brisbane towards the end of the season that he finally broke through with a Group One victory. Having landed the Group Two BTC Cup at weight-for-age over 1200m at Doomben, he won Queensland’s premier sprint, the Stadbroke Handicap, over 1400m at Eagle Farm in June 2004, ridden by Les Samba’s son-in-law Danny Nikolic.

Thorn Park’s future had already been secured in advance of his trip to Brisbane: Windsor Park Stud proprietor Nelson Schick had concluded a deal which would see the strong chestnut begin his stud career in New Zealand as a spring five-year-old later that year. Thorn Park’s well-travelled father Spinning World had spent one season at the Cambridge property (in 2000) and Schick was delighted to have signed the star of the stallion’s first crop, especially as that season's fillies races had been dominated by a member of Spinning World's second crop: the tremendous Special Harmony, whose victories had included both the MRC Thousand Guineas and the VRC Oaks in Melbourne. Thorn Park thus ended his racing career at the end of the Brisbane Carnival, still in peak form after 22 starts, which had yielded nine victories and four minor placings. Spinning World, incidentally, ranks as merely one of several Coolmore shuttlers to have stood at Windsor Park, a list which has also included Montjeu and High Chaparral, and which next season will feature Mastercraftsman and Thewayyouare.

Thorn Park’s first foals were born in 2005 and consequently are now five-year-olds. Star of his first bunch of two-year-olds was Te Akau Coup, winner of one of New Zealand’s premier juvenile races, the Matamata Breeders’ Stakes, in February 2008. Like her sire, this filly bore a pedigree dripping with both speed and class, her dam (the US-bred Gone West mare Beyond The Sunset) being a daughter of 1992 Yorkshire Oaks place-getter Bineyah and a great-granddaughter of the great broodmare My Charmer, the dam of Seattle Slew, Lomond and Seattle Dancer. A second Group winner emerged from Thorn Park’s first crop when Glamorous Girl landed the Group Three Desert Gold Stakes over 1600m at Trentham as a three-year-old, while the stallion had his first stakes winner in Australia when Pricked, another member of his first crop, won a three-year-olds’ Listed race in Adelaide.

The fourth stakes winner from that crop, Centennial Park, has ultimately proved to be its best: after landing his first stakes victory in the Darby Munro Stakes over 1200m at Rosehill in the Sydney Autumn Carnival in 2009, Centennial Park (who, too, is bred to be fast, his dam Trephina being a Last Tycoon half-sister to the good young sprinting stallion Foreplay) has proved to be a redoubtable campaigner, his current season as a five-year-old including victory in the Group Two Expressway Stakes over 1200m at Rosehill and, most recently, second place in the Group One Chipping Norton Stakes over 1600m at Warwick Farm on the same day that his paternal half-brother Jimmy Choux won the NZ Derby.

Thorn Park’s second crop has so far thrown up the stakes-winning two-year-olds Hollows and Te Akau Rose (who became the second successive Matamata Breeders’ Stakes victrix both for her sire and for her trainer, the then-Te Akau Stables incumbent Mark Walker) as well as Swiss Rose (a Listed winner in Australia as a three-year-old) and The Party Stand (a Listed winner in New Zealand during the current season as a four-year-old). However, clearly the best horse sired to date by Thorn Park is Jimmy Choux, undisputed star of his third crop.

A Group Two winner last season as a two-year-old as well as being placed in both of New Zealand’s Group One juvenile races, Jimmy Choux has won six Group races this season: the Hawkes Bay Guineas over 1400m, the NZ 2,000 Guineas, Great Northern Guineas and Wellington Stakes over 1600m, the Waikato Guineas over 2000m and, most recently, the NZ Derby over 2400m. This most recent Group One victory was superb: in common with Thorn Park and most of his progeny, Jimmy Choux is not a natural stayer, but his class was enough to get him home ahead of the best of his contemporaries, with his trainer John Bary observing after the race, “He’s not a true stayer. He’s a sprinter/miler. He’ll probably never see 2400m again in his life – but after this he doesn’t have to!”

Clearly an influence more for speed than for stamina, Thorn Park is truly a product of his pedigree, notwithstanding that Denise’s Joy’s family has enjoyed more than its fair share of success in Derby and Oaks races. Denise’s Joy herself was a perfect illustration of Tommy Smith’s philosophy that the way to win top-class races at 2400m is to start off with a fast horse and train him/her to stay. Although the best winner bred by Denise’s Joy was the 1995 Queensland Oaks winner Joie Denise (who won that Group One 2400m race despite being by the sprinter/miler Danehill), the first high-class descendant of Denise’s Joy was her grandson Christmas Tree, a son of Star Kingdom’s brilliant son Biscay and winner of the Pago Pago Stakes over 1200m at Rosehill as a two-year-old in 1987. Joie Denise’s daughters Sunday Joy and Tuesday Joy were both Group One winners at 2400m, but each also showed high-class form over considerably shorter trips, with Tuesday Joy having won the Group Two Apollo Stakes at weight-for-age over 1400m as a five-year-old. Sunday Joy’s current star daughter More Joyous has won 11 stakes races at distances from 1100m to 1600m, including four Group Ones.

Thorn Park descends from Denise’s Joy via Christmas Tree’s dam Joy And Fun, a daughter of the brilliant sprinting stallion Showdown. Having produced Christmas Tree to Biscay, Joy And Fun then produced Thorn Park’s second dam Christmas Spirit to Biscay’s champion-sire son Bletchingly, a high-class sprinter who sired the Golden Slipper winners Star Watch and Canny Lad, as well as the great racemare Emancipation and, most notably, the mighty Kingston Town. Christmas Spirit never ran but proved to be a great producer of fast horses, including the Group Two-winning Rory's Jester filly Light Up The World, herself the dam of the Group Three-winning juvenile World Peace. Her foal by the top-class imported sprinter Bluebird, named Joy, failed to race, but she too has now made her mark by breeding Thorn Park. Interestingly, Thorn Park proved to be one of two notable products resulting from this family’s visits to sons of Nureyev: Tycoon Joy, a Last Tycoon half-sister to Joy, visited Peintre Celebre two years after her half-sister Joy visited Spinning World – and the result was Bentley Biscuit, winner of three Group One sprints in 2007 from the stable of Tommy Smith’s daughter Gai Waterhouse.

By siring Jimmy Choux, Thorn Park has bred a true champion. Horses of Jimmy Choux’s calibre, though, do not grow on trees, so no stallion can come up with his like on a regular basis. Even so, it is fair to predict that Thorn Park will continue to prove himself a regular source of high-class, fast and tough horses.

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2011-Mar-12, 02:53 PM

Thorn Park gets another group 1.

Terrible group 1, but a group 1 just the same.

This horse The Party Stand gets beaten in rating 70s and 80s.

Terrible.
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