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Original Post 2011-Oct-17, 02:09 PM

Race 5 - 3:20PM - Schweppes Stakes - 1200 METRES

Of $300,000.1st $180,000, 2nd $54,000, 3rd $27,000, 4th $13,500, 5th $7,500, 6th $6,000, 7th $6,000, 8th $6,000 GROUP 2 Standard Weight for Age, Apprentices cannot claim. Field Limit: 14 + 4 EM

No	Last 10	Horse	Trainer	Jockey	Barrier	Weight	Hcp Rating
1	0X0X42533X	SCENIC BLAST	Daniel Morton	Steven Arnold	3	58.5kg	112
2	12X0LX79X4	HERE DE ANGELS	Wendy Roche	Ms Clare Lindop	6	58.5kg	106
3	0X15750X01	DOUBTFUL JACK	Peter G Moody	Dwayne Dunn	1	58.5kg	103
4	10X2961014	BALAVAN	Tony Vasil	Nash Rawiller	2	58.5kg	94
5	11X11111X1	BLACK CAVIAR	Peter G Moody	Luke Nolen	4	56.5kg	128


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2011-Oct-20, 04:38 PM

Can't see a Rule that permits Stewards to fiddle with the barrier draw.

These don't deal with it:

AR.128. (1) Every rider shall ensure that his horse occupies its allotted barrier stall that is in the
respective order as previously determined by the barrier draw.
(2) If any horse starts from an incorrect barrier stall, the Stewards prior to the declaration of correct
weight may confirm the official order of placings, declare the race to be void, or declare any horse
concerned a non-starter.

AR.129. An open barrier or flag start must be specifically authorised by the Stewards, whereupon
the Starter may remove any unruly horse from the place allotted by the barrier draw; and in such
case he shall place it at such a distance to the outside of, or behind, the other runners where it
cannot gain any advantage for itself, or cause any danger or prejudice the chances of any other
horse; or if he considers it necessary he may recommend its withdrawal by the Stewards.

AR.130. If the start is from barrier stalls, no horse may start outside the barrier stalls and any horse
which refuses to enter its barrier stall after all reasonable efforts have been made to place it therein,
or any horse which becomes unduly fractious after being placed in its stall it may be withdrawn by
the Stewards who may make such orders as are considered appropriate in respect to betting on such
event.


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2011-Oct-20, 04:48 PM

Authorized writes ... 2011-Oct-20, 02:49 PM

The stewards are talking about making Here de Angels starting 1 gate wider than his allotted gate. Instead of jumping from 5 next to the great mare they want him to start from gate 6.

What do people think of this ?

What is their actual reasoning for this? has it been released?


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2011-Oct-20, 04:51 PM

Moody requested it due to HDA being a "barrier brumby" or something to that effect.

(So Sky has reported.)


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2011-Oct-20, 04:56 PM

According to Chief Steward Terry Bailey when talking to Sky, HDA was banned from racing in

Victoria but reinstated after satisfying NSW requirements.

They gave taken this course of action because of the history of HDA.

When asked about "precedent" Bailey quoted cases of "broken" barriers when individual stalls are left empty

and did not think this would create a future problem.


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2011-Oct-20, 05:15 PM

I heard the Chief Steward's defence of the decision and thought it was flimsy, at best. (The Sky boys weren't gonna disagree.)

Would have been helpful to quote a rule of racing under which the action was taken. Great Idea

Is there one?

Sure, horses don't start when a barrier gate is buckled - that's common sense. Thumb Up

When a horse is withdrawn at the barrier, we don't unload every other horse to move in one - that's also common sense. Thumb Up

But to give a free berth to a runner because of the possibility of another "playing up" is not common sense: it's playing favourites, IMO.

If HDA is soooooooooooooo bad, then BAR him. End of discussion from me.


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2011-Oct-20, 05:25 PM

Deliciously ironic should Scenic Blast play up causing her a problem.


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2011-Oct-20, 05:58 PM

Un-Australian - Punters turn on their glamour girl
Clinton Payne
Thursday, 20 October 2011

The large percentage of Racenet readers have turned on Australia’s most popular racehorse Black Caviar after it was announced Here De Angels has been moved out a barrier to cater for concerns over the champion’s welfare in Saturday’s Group II Schweppes Stakes (1200m) at Moonee Valley.

On Thursday afternoon Racing Victoria stewards made the unprecedented move of approaching Here De Angels's connections with the view to moving him away from the adjacent stall in Saturday’s feature sprint.

The connections of Here De Angels acceded to the stewards’ request on the ground of "the best interests of racing” and the noted barrier rogue will now start from barrier six with the gate outside Black Caviar, barrier five, vacant.

But, Australian punters have revolted against the decision, turning their disgust against Black Caviar, her trainer Peter Moody and RVL stewards.

Racenet reader Donger described the decision as "un-Australian”.

"As big as a fan I am of Black Caviar, getting special treatment because it is a champion racehorse is a bit much and unfair, end of the day it’s a racehorse and if it draws next to a horse which is known to be rogue in the barrier then I guess bad luck. Play it as it lies as they say in golf,” are BG’s thoughts on the decision.

Nige added, "I like most are a huge Black Caviar fan but what a shame. The draw you get is the draw you get. It is quite common to scratch a horse due to a poor barrier and if there is genuine concern scratch her or deal with it. Granted it would be massive blow to Moonee Valley and to Australian racing in general, but so see a horse get preferential treatment because of their status is an even bigger blow to Australian racing.”

"Seriously do not agree with the special treatment being given. As much as want Black Caviar to win the rules and conditions should be the same for all,” is what Bundy thinks.

"They're setting a big precedence, stupid decision,” Mel said while Fossil was short and sweet describing the ruling as "an embarrassment”.

Despite the majority of feedback against the ruling some punters are in agreement with the decision. Michael suggested racing officials should look to expand on the decision in the future.

"Smart move by Racing Victoria why should any horse be risked by another that has a poor record. Perhaps this is a sign that the gallops can learn something from the trots. In the trots bad horses are excluded from the draw so as to not disadvantage other runners. Something to consider perhaps.”


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2011-Oct-20, 10:01 PM

Here De Angels will start one barrier wider at Moonee Valley on Saturday
Racing Victoria stewards have today announced that Here De Angels, who has drawn the outside barrier of five starters in Saturday's Schweppes Stakes (1200m) at Moonee Valley, will move out one barrier and start from gate six.

The decision has been reached in consultation with the connections of Here De Angels and takes into account the horse's previous history of bad barrier manners when trained here in Victoria.

Here De Angels was barred from racing at the end of 2010 in Victoria due to its manners, but has since had the bar lifted in New South Wales and the ACT where it has raced and trialled three times apiece.

Here De Angels was given a warning by NSW stewards at its last start at Randwick on 15 October for missing the start, but is not barred from racing.

“Whilst connections have assured us that the horse's barrier manners are now satisfactory, based on the horse's previous history here in Victoria we have decided to move it out one barrier as there are no runners drawn on its outside. This decision has the full support of the connections of Here De Angels,” RV Chairman of Stewards, Terry Bailey, said.


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2011-Oct-21, 06:37 AM

I'm assuming there will be a vacant barrier either side of HDA everytime it starts now ?


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2011-Oct-21, 06:51 AM

Authorized writes ... 2011-Oct-20, 05:58 PM

"Seriously do not agree
with the special treatment being given. As much as want Black Caviar to win the
rules and conditions should be the same for all,” is what Bundy thinks.


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2011-Oct-21, 08:43 AM

The horse should just be barred from racing in Victoria.

If it is allowed to start it can't be treated any differently. Staggering decision.


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2011-Oct-21, 08:55 AM

And in fifty years when the next great sprinter arrives she'll be belittled as the cotton wool champ the stewards had to protect by rigging the barrier positions.

Total disgrace. Thumbs Down


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