Racehorse TALK

On roughies, to get a big F4 the roughie needs to come 1st or 2nd. DUH! 
Most punters seem to throw them in for 3rd,4th which is probably more likely but would be a smaller div.
The combination I applied, allowed the roughie to fill 2nd spot which will knock most out.    

I much prefer A to win
then              BCDE for second
then              BCDE for third
then              BCDE for fourth
in say a 12 horse race
$24 gets ya 100 %?

That's pretty much the same as mine but I have 2 to win it so only half the % of yours. The advantage of going 2 to win is that A option may be $4win & B option may be $10win. & you're dirty on yourself if ya pick the wrong one on top.
& ain't that Murphys Law, 2 to pick from & chuck wrong one on top.   

Fellas,

I give that method around 0.00% chance of getting the first four in the Melbourne Cup.

Fours

Is triples talking about the Melb Cup?


Melb Cup is generally a 24 horse field so throw in a couple more for 4th & take a lower %. 

why would he.

anyway my method is simple. normally stand out from 1 then 2 for second 3/4 for third and field for forth

and same with trifecta. a few picks with field. because the roughie is more likely to come 3rd, one would assume.

another one is field for first. but obviously i put field 4th in the cox plate.

All,

I'm not exactly a slave either but will say this. My earlier posts on Doubledee's thread back inFebruary, together with, my future posts on Teary Eyed's next few runs should provide all you need to make a start.

Only basic permutations will be covered from which you can take things further and make your own much more sophisticated approaches over time. For obvious reasons I prefer to keep my sophisticated approaches to myself. Your approach should vary as field size and feld depth vary and on many occasions you should decide not to bet at all; pool size being but one reason not to try.

The perms should always allow for roughies winning for good divdidends to be obtained. However the perms never the less reduce combos taken on reasonable logical decisions - but these decisions will vary as each race varies - and thus my earlier Melbourne Cup words. A "one size fits all' is not how you should do things.

Fours

Shogun, El Z, Whispering, no particular approach may be right, and we will all prefer one way or another but the advantage of DD's method is that it offers you 5 winning chances, as any one of your 2 x A runners and 3 x B runners can win as long as an A runner places (1st, 2nd, 3rd), I'm sure there are many similar approaches (hence this discussion thread to share and explore). Since DD showed me this approach some 8 or so yrs ago I have had some lovely collects, many times where a 4th or 5th choice runner (B selection) has won at a nice price with the others all falling into place. With the flexi bet options available today this doesn't need to be expensive to play.

I have a simple 1 page guide that I use to plan a race in a few minutes using DD's ABC method, I will post it here a little later if a few want to use it.

Thanks triples - would like to see that guide when you get a chance. 

I use the above layout / worksheet to quickly list a plan for a race, this will list up to 12 runners. I am updating the layout to show the total cost per combination of runners (8 through to 12), and the flexi bet cost for 10% and so on. When finished tonight I'll load a copy of the finished sheet.

I just had a flick thru this thread, may I add that once it is discussed "what method best suits" it is then discussed "how much is in the pool".

The reason I add this aspect is that I have noticed over the past few months that the Trifecta Pool has been holding more than the First 4 Pool apart from the main races.

Food for thought.