Racehorse TALK

Put a post on the Nsw harness scandal thread re this race.Need to weed people like this out of industry, not talking thru my pocket but they get paid out for that crap.

A blatant disregard for the authorities and the rules as they know they will get a slap on the wrist and be told that there drives were "Query noted"

Kingston Town,

This happens with nearly every gallops race in Europe, are you going to give them all life!!!!  Pacemakers do the same thing, set it up for one of the stable's other runners.

It's crap I know and should not be tolerated under any circumstances!!!!!

It is legal in Europe.

Does not matter if it is legal or not, still biggest form of cheating there is!!!

Trying to find excuses for this joke of a game.
Not cheating in other countries as its legal and people understand the rule.
Cheating in Australia because it illegal and not accepted.

The problem i see is that the bigger stables are getting bigger and therefore getting multiple runners in races.
A radical change would be to only allow one runner from a stable to compete in a race. I think this would clean up alot of the issues.

That is crap.  It is cheating, riding pacemakers not giving them the best oppurtunity to finish in best position possible and setting races up for others to win is cheating full stop.  There is not an argument that you can put forward to say it's not.

This thread is just another outlet to give the harness haters that lurk on this forum a place to out there biased opinions re harness racing.

Open a similar thread in the gallop and greyhound section also, bet you don`t but then again not much untoward goes on in those codes.

I love harness racing I know there are issues which one scandal has brought to light but now it seems according to some here if a fav gets beat for whatever reason it`s either a boatie or it was dead.

Simple plan for you haters, don`t punt on harness and don`t watch them then you won`t have to worry.

How about the fact that it is legal and you will know who the pacemaker is.

hi guys
I gotta agree in general with Camel
The world is infested with corruption where ever you look
I love my harness racing & I try to control what I can in my part of it
As a very small time hobby trainer there are so many hurdles I have to tackle
to try to attempt to keep my passion burning
I suppose at the end of the day one can look at the problems harness racing faces
from so many angles...from the punters,owners,drivers,trainers & general fans points of view
all of which would have different issues that would piss them off...
I have always disliked the "team/stable" driving tactics but sometimes even from my perspective its difficult
to actually draw the line what is official cheating & what is part of the game...especially if you are looking at it
from an official's point of view.
One thing for certain in my eyes is that the current action taken by the authoritys is a huge huge step which alot of us hope
doesnt get all lost in the legal loophole vortex.
I do understand how the punter feels...but I assure you that bolting home from a 9 hour working day,loading your horses &
towing a 4hr round trip to the races that night only to be null n voided by "tactics" or "rorting" gets the blood boiling  
as much as it does for the punters.
At the end of the day harness racing & horse racing in general needs the punters dollar
which these days is hard enough to secure against sports betting without the negatives of "rorts"
I have read all the harness racing bashing on this forum which I must say its probably on the whole warranted
In my opinion,sadly,its pretty much a reflexion on todays society & seemingly the way this country is heading
in which harness racing problems are a minor part of the whole picture of corruption,drugs & crime that this country
has managed to manifest over the last decade...

"Charges against trainers Robert Smerdon & Dan O'Sullivan over the possession of EPO have been dropped after Racing Victoria stewards admitted they could not be proved.

The prohibited substance Eprex (EPO) was found during an inspection of the trainers' shared stables at Ballarat in May this year"


"Snowden could offer no reason for Moravany testing positive to the prohibited substances phenylbutazone and oxyphenbutazone after winning a Class 2 event at Hawkesbury on September 3"


"LEADING trainer Peter Moody said the racing industry had to confront the issue of contaminated feed and the extreme onus it placed on trainers, after he was found guilty but not penalised at an inquiry yesterday into a prohibited substance found in one of his horses."

"Trainer Dianne Poidevin-Laine has been suspended for eight months after one of her horses returned a positive drug test."

Newitt

Nicolic

Munce

Jocket tapes Scandel....

Cassidy

The list goes on and on and on....

Not to even mention Gerald Ryan...

Yeah the gallops are squeaky clean..... More like the top trainers just get away/off more charges!!!

What a Joke......

Is Anyone saying that horse racing is 'squeaky clean' ?

If so, they should hand in their 'of sound mind' badge.

Most of those things listed had their own thread, with some of them being far longer and of greater depth than any we have ever had on our forums. One current member's greatest ever success made it all the way to parliament and ended up with the TAB getting a huge fine and a change in their policy from memory. And that was a racing/ TAB issue.

Harness has to get to rock bottom to bounce. And it will. This current mayhem is the best thing that will ever happen to the sport.

Very well put and that is exactly what needs to happen.  If big trainers are involved then they have to be treated the same.  Can't be one rule for small trainer and one for big in a case like this.