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Author Topic: What is the future of harness racing ?????  (Read 1845 times)
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kingston town
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Original Post 2011-Dec-26, 09:21 AM

Slowly but surely the  gallops are swallowing up harness racing with night meetings now becoming a regular event taking away turnover and we all know without turnover its game over.

The current investigation will play a huge part in deciding the future  because if its 5-10 or 15  people involved  then when they are found guilty if they are a trainer or driver once sentenced they should never be allowed back into the sport.if they let them back punters will vote with their cash and invest even less.so here is a golden chance for harness to be stronger than the gallops by banning them for life.

Changes must be made to how they make racing better and not have so many races with $1.20 jobs going around  standing starts must go Thumbs Down team driving(in lower class races) MUST be dealt with harshly its a punters nightmare to see he is on the horse protecting another stable runner. any trainer/driver renewing their licence should be warned  investing any amount on a race will result in a minimum banning of 5 yrs to life  .

This is harness racings last chance Shrug so the current CEO and board have to change rules on what can and cant be tolerated by a licenced person.while the rorting was going on for so long under their watch most people in the sport knew something was amiss but they took 2 years to get to the bottom of it if they ever will.
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2012-Jan-03, 01:30 PM

Can't be done on turnover due to the many more meeting dogs have.  Drop the dogs to the same amount of meetings harness has then you can se turnover!!!!


Yes, but at the same time even out the time slots, so Greyhounds get an even shot at the more lucrative Friday/Saturday night slots, and more Harness meetings in the early weekday evening slots.

Look, Harness racing will turn over more on a per race basis, but when you compare like for like I don't think it as much as you would think, particularly taking into account the amount of prize money needed to sustain each code.
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2012-Jan-03, 01:33 PM

I agree with Beautone.....you get a lot more bang for your buck with  a harness horse......regrettably tho  the glory days are gone. tears

Generally harness trainers are complete horsemen.....from toe to tail.....not too many galloping trainers could match it with them IMO. thumbsup


absolutely...both of my 2 horses are $500 "specials" which I have had alot of fun with...i get up at 4.30am & have them both worked & feed
on my pat malone by the time I have to leave for work at 6.45am...thats bang for buck...& bloody good fun
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2012-Jan-03, 01:53 PM

Yes, but at the same time even out the time slots, so Greyhounds get an even shot at the more lucrative Friday/Saturday night slots, and more Harness meetings in the early weekday evening slots.

Look, Harness racing will turn over more on a per race basis, but when you compare like for like I don't think it as much as you would think, particularly taking into account the amount of prize money needed to sustain each code.


Well that could be said about the gallops more than Harness if you are looking at prizemoney.


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2012-Jan-03, 10:41 PM

i dont like betting on harness racing due to the simple fact that if your horse is 3 back the pegs then its going to have to work hard and get luck to win...

its hard enough picking the winner but then they can gallop, get caught behind horses and all that crap. i dont think ive seen a horse win from the inside running with a wall of horses infront of it at a track without a sprint lane..
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2012-Jan-04, 07:53 AM

i dont like betting on harness racing due to the simple fact that if your horse is 3 back the pegs then its going to have to work hard and get luck to win...

its hard enough picking the winner but then they can gallop, get caught behind horses and all that crap. i dont think ive seen a horse win from the inside running with a wall of horses infront of it at a track without a sprint lane..


i think this is something that needs to be looked at for the future of harness racing
there has been all sorts of ideas thrown about the place about modernising the sport
for its survival..ie..back straight sprint lanes etc etc

I agree with you Whispering & I reakon alot of punters think the same


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2012-Jan-04, 10:38 AM

back straight sprint lanes etc etc


Give yourself an uppercut 

Why not just put them in lanes and really kill the sport
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2012-Jan-04, 11:06 AM

Give yourself an uppercut 

Why not just put them in lanes and really kill the sport


stop...I didnt say that was my idea.... lol
 
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2012-Jan-04, 12:29 PM

stop...I didnt say that was my idea....   lol



He just said it was one of many ideas that has been floated
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2012-Jan-04, 01:00 PM

One thing that has started to really put me off over the last few years is the 2 line system off the mobile.  All races should be one line off the mobile, Menangle & Newcastle have it right.  I would much rather see a real burn for the lead than 2 horses slowly working around to the death because they can't get up front off the second line.  I also think it makes it too easy to give one a run.
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2012-Jan-04, 01:12 PM

stop...I didnt say that was my idea....   lol  



He just said it was one of many ideas that has been floated


i think this is something that needs to be looked at for the future of harness racing
there has been all sorts of ideas thrown about the place about modernising the sport
for its survival..ie..back straight sprint lanes etc etc

I agree with you Whispering & I reakon alot of punters think the same





Regarding being 3 pegs, he said it's something that needs to be looked at, he then mentioned back straight sprint lanes ideas had been thrown around, I did not see any suggestion that he disagreed with it.
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2012-Jan-05, 03:14 AM

One thing that has started to really put me off over the last few years is the 2 line system off the mobile.  All races should be one line off the mobile, Menangle & Newcastle have it right.  I would much rather see a real burn for the lead than 2 horses slowly working around to the death because they can't get up front off the second line.  I also think it makes it too easy to give one a run.



spot on. either make it a standing start, or handicap the race (somehow?), or just make it one line.

standing start races make for more even races betting wise as well as racing. These days i dont think a day goes past without a 1.04 pop.

one of the reasons i dont punt on it because i cant be bothered putting in all the time and effort to find value in a sport that i feel doesnt give equal chance to each runner. The gallops and greyhounds can manuvoer out the way, if your 3 back the pegs with one behind you and another going wide around you, what chance do you have? Restrict the runners to make it more fair, or make the racing itself more fair.
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2012-Jan-05, 07:53 AM

It depends on what driver you have on as well.

I can guarantee if Gavin is 3 back the fence and wants to win he gets out everytime.  I would much rather be 3 back the fence most times than leading up the 3 wide train.  Yes there are times that you are held up but that's the same in any code.  I backed 2 gallopers on Saturday that sat behind leader and leader dropped out and dragged the horse I backed to near the tail, it's just part of the sport.

The fence is the shortest way home but you take a chance!!!
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2012-Jan-07, 08:49 PM

Not too many horses win from 3 back the pegs
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