Racehorse TALK

"and blew 600m in 58 seconds under a tight hold."



I could nearly run that myself!...............but I get your drift. 

Think it was meant to be 1000 metres

peter, you arent even reading the replies, you should have the courtesy to at least reply to janice with your thoughts.

you remind me of debating at school. The minumum time was like 3 minutes. You would be the kid who made no sense and didnt reply to the other speaker, repeating your 20 second speel for the whole time.

People have countered your argument... If i back a horse at 50/1 and it loses do i get investigated or whatever you want? what about all the favourite backers? do they have inside information... Id rather all those people get looked at then the random 50/1 because it happens more often, and id rather get a better price.

What about trainers, I recall  Rick Hore-lacy on TVN saying he got 80/1 about chase the rainbow in the guineas or something like that. Jim said an example of why stable information is secret.

Imagine if every stable had to give out information. At the moment there is TOO much information for me to follow, imagine if they said 'oh this horse went well etc etc"

what happens if then the information is wrong? the horses loses by 10L? its a can of worms that deserves to be shut. Ive heard plenty of stories where inside information has been wrong, and i dont even read stewards reports and ive seen reports where irregular runs are looked at, and betting accounts looked at.

If you did a quick google you'd find heaps. heres a selection of what 2 minutes of googling came up with

Greyhounds
http://www.grv.org.au/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=GkkAY_5GlsA%3D&tabid=833
Steward caught betting on event.

Gallops
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/stewards-check-calls-and-bets-in-taree-challenge-probe-20100220-omoy.html
Jockey challenge bets looked into.
http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/index.php?topic=9470.270;wap2
Danny Nikolic....
http://letsgohorseracing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1201:massive-betting-scandal-rocks-nsw-racing-involving-top-jockeys-a-wife-and-a-mum&catid=41:vic-a-nsw&Itemid=68
Dont think many have heard of this, some guys called Robl and Shinn???

Harness
http://www.hrnsw.com.au/assets/files/Appeal%20Decisions/Ruggari%20Xerri%20Achurch%20061210.pdf

any more non-existant complaints? in the last the whole process was started by BETFAIR, the shinn/robl one was started by the TAB

Pete I was talking about my preference, Bobby has a big mouth and I would never give a horse to a trainer who tells the media information that I have paid for, it is MY information, I will repeat that, it is MY information!! it was bought and paid for by me and if I want to give it away it is MY prerogative not the trainers who in effect works for me,

 If I had a private detective follow my wife and take Pics of her in bed with her lover and then I read it in the paper along with the pics he took I would not be happy?? it was info I had paid for and was not his to give away, same with a trainer I don't want him/her telling the media anything that isn't already in the horses form unless he wants to mislead them that would be OK!

Of course Pete no one disagrees with the premise that "pulling" a horse is a no, no, that is a given, what I do disagree with is your assumption that it is rife in the industry, I don't believe it happens and if it does it is rare,

Just because a horse doesn't have a picket fence along side it's name doesn't mean it is inconsistent, a Horse can run last and still be a good run and a similar effort with better luck next time results in a win at good odds, it is all about learning to  actually read the form and the interpretation that you put on a run, you have to be able to read between the lines but isn't that what life is all about??
I have seen very few horses win (even the long priced ones) that I couldn't make a case for AFTER the race!!

Remember there are only 2 types of people in the world,

1, The ones who use the system

2, The ones who the system uses

which one are you??

Who or what are you talking about, you will have to be more specific than why don't the stewards ask questions?? specifically who should they be asking?? what do you know that no one else does??? you are just making wild accusations a little like the boy who cried wolf

If you know or suspect something/someone and don't want to make it public PM me with the names and suspicions, just wild accusations doesn't lend itself to helping your credibility,

Jesus Pete the simple fact that they are privvy to "inside info" is explanation enough, what do you know about the Thoroughbred??

Trainers/Owners watch their horses over and over again and get to know their IDIOSYNCRASIES a hell of a lot better than the average Punter and they know when their horse was luckless in one run and when to expect an improved run the next time, horses track work can improve dramatically, they can change the routine and the horse starts to thrive and they know it will improve as it's work has improved, a myriad of reasons that they know and the public doesn't know, there is nothing wrong in that
You know they do get it wrong sometimes too, if what your worried about had any relevance the Bookies (the obvious target)would be worried about taking money from an Owner/Trainer with inside info wouldn't they?? When in fact they offer them a Bonus to bet with them as they know most inside info isn't any good!!  

job done Jim, where shall i send the pics ? 

Rumpel Mate my wife was 200% faithful, she knew she would never find a better lover than me so if you have pics of her it must be me in them too so enjoy.....................

   

That's an excellent point Jim - I found the advantage of being involved in ownership wasn't the mythical "inside information", it was simply that you were following the horse so closely that you had a very good insight into their form and how they should perform. Mind you I suspect this still didn't translate to a profit punting on them 

Of course it doesn't Max, most owners lose, why else would Bookies off bonuses to Owners to get there patronage?? Obviously when they do fluke a win there must be some Skulduggery going on mustn't there?? if there is a field of 12 and every Owner backs their horse Pete wants the winners investigated and a film crew following them around