Racehorse TALK

 It's all their way ...i had a winning exacta with them and was banned from any exotic bet a month ago...i jagged a quaddie a year ago and they removed that option the next day....they are not really promoting wagering in my opinion and have gone back to the Tab's esp after reading Sports Alive.................

Have to agree Ledger, they banned me from all exotics and all ups, and didn't even show enough respect to send me an email to inform me of the decision.

I have accounts with 9 bookmakers and overall I am in front with 8 of them and have never been banned from anyone, I wonder why?

 I reckon it is a bit like playing poker, there are "tells" and most punters have them, they just don't know it(again like playing poker) if you are doing the same thing and winning more than losing and you can be predicted then they will try to cut your legs from under you, if you win with exotics on a regular basis then they can lose a lot for little wins, they are a business so you have to play their game, they have to be able to think they can win, once they think you are more likely to win is when they will cut you back or delete your account, like bluffing in Poker, you are bluffing them and they are throwing in their hand, when you are strong you have to make them think you are weak(like poker) can you see a theme here? let them think they can win, you don't want to bluff them out of a big hand when you have 4 aces do you??

Just a Theory but it works for me

Surely these "Bookies" have enough losing punters on their books to cover for winning punters ?

It comes back to what I have always said, Losing punters pay for everything.

You can't expect to win punting if u have to bluff 4 the first 4 races Jim !! Its a tough enough game at the best of times..........i can't stand the way TVN  spruikers keep promoting Corporates as the saviours of gambling turnover...i'm back with the tote's !...i rate IAS and Centrebet ( cringeworthy) as the smallest of all them ...sounds as though Waterhouse is singing from the same sheet...........

Another thing re Poker (and people in general, bookies are people aren't they??)
Always remember "A good Poker player plays the man, not the Cards!!"

Yes Matt but like most millionaires, there is never enough profit, don't think with a layman's Logic, think with a Rich(and greedy) man's logic if you want to get closer to the truth

ledger you haven't got the gist of what I wrote, I didn't tell you to lose on purpose did I?? I was just trying to give you an analogy to demonstrate how to beat them at their own game, it is not what is, it is what you think it is that counts!!

it's a bit of a strrrretchhhh to call these corporates "bookies" a bookie takes a bet and for the most part holds it, as in taking a risk. A corporate is in fact a commission agent, they lay your bets off on the TAB and cop a rebate from the TAB's that's how they get a big earn for no risk, nice work if you can get it, that's just ONE of the reasons the "overs" are getting smashed so much these days 

I hear the same complaints from quite a few, and the theme is always the same, I was robbed, They ban me cos I am so good, etc etc, well life is about compromise, first deflate your ego a little and study the problem, why did they ban me? obviously they ban winners?? don't just accept that and go to another Bookie and do the same thing again,you will just get banned again won't you??
A wise man once said and I quote "If I always do what I always did I will always get what I always got" by that I mean think about the problem you have,
1, I want to win
2 If I win I will get banned
3, If I get banned I can't win??

 no good complaining that it ain't fair cos it will still happen, work out From the Bookies viewpoint why they will ban you and what they are looking for in a punter(apart from a loser which you don't want to be) I am not going to do all your work for you but you have to walk a mile in another mans Moccasins to know how he thinks and feels, if you were laying someone's bets on Betfair(and you knew who it was) and they won consistently and you could predict where they were winning and where they were losing what would you do?? now if they were winning but you couldn't predict where and how what would you think?? You would think they were just being lucky wouldn't you?? you would keep taking their bets and hoping their luck would change for the worse and you would get it all back, Bookies and Punters have been doing that for ages, just don't tip your hand

Vo if what you say was correct and I don't doubt it then they would ban no one as even winners would be winners for them, kinda sounds illogical doesn't it??

I believe they monitor accounts, and have some kind of filter when someone wins... maybe a grand is the magic figure, and if this is repeated, the account gets flagged and the bets get laid off by their bot the second it is put on by the punter, if an account holder is a regular "donator" then the bets get held, they win both ways. The only way they can get screwed is if a punter bets at the last second before they jump, and they would then limit the size of your bet they next time around, whether it be via the internet or by phone. Try betting more than $5 each way on NZ gallops or trots with a couple of corporates...a message will come up "maximum bet $5"    

If you want to bet on nondescript meetings around the Globe on Dogs/Trots/Thoroughbreds etc then maybe getting banned isn't your biggest problem  

I can't see a punter getting banned because he won twice, maybe like you say there is a magical figure like $1,000 you mentioned, it is kinda like that $10,000 cash transaction rule, just keep your winnings below the threshold with each Bookmaker and bet with more bookmakers, look for a solution to your problem was my point, don't look for more problems

I'm pleased the solution wasn't Sports Alive,,,,,if they get rebates ??? Vo why remove exotics from my betting options ??? Ias and Centrebet  are pitiful

Ledgerr77 they obviously feel you are a threat to them, you must have won money, maybe the amount is over the thresh-hold that flags your account, A while back the same happened to me, i WISH my problem now was winning too much and getting banned  It's quite the opposite, but once you are flagged even if you have since become a loser, the rules remain the same for your particular account. That's one thing the TAB will never do, bar you if you win, but you have to cop their unders and rakes....but i suppose it doesn't really matter all that much as the corporates are laying exotics off there anyway 

i hadn't given it much thought but maybe only a few corp's have rebates in place....Sportingbet ?

Vo wasnt there a guy in Perth who was recently banned by the tab for Winning too much.

I thought there was something on here about it at the time.