Racehorse TALK

 

Actually a Stallion that didn't serve any Mares?? now Matt that makes sense!! You did say he had European Blood didn't you??      

Chiamare was an average type, biggest race win was the Brisbane Cup.
Other notable performances were winning a Newcastle Cup and a Frank Packer Plate.
Ran 3rd in Strawberry Roads AJC Derby, beaten 21 lengths. Ran 2nd to Hayai in a Metropolitan.
Probably did not win a race in Melbourne which suggests strongly he was very much 2nd tier.

Think he won a Tancred beating some good horses like Trissaro and Fountain Court

Wily I am pretty sure the race he won beating Trissaro was over 2000 metres at Randwick(probably the Queen Elizabeth??) pretty sure it wasn't the Tancred(over 2400 metres) Trissaro was ridden by P.B. Smith(a New Zealander who was riding in Australia at the time), Trissaro then won te Sydney Cup at his next start with John Marshall on top, I think the Queen Elizabeth (or the race Chiamare won)was run on the Saturday of the Easter weekend and then Trissaro backed up on the Monday in the Sydney Cup to win it at 10/1
Peter Cook adopted stop/start tactics on Chiamare which didn't suit the hot fav Trissaro, it was a brilliant ride!

that is from memory only because I backed Chiamare on the Saturday and Trissaro on the Monday, it was a great weekend

Chiamare was a very good horse but just below top class, Tommy always had him ready to win and exploit any weakness in the opposition(like he did with all his horses) if you were going to beat him it was after the fight or you had to out class him

Umm, for much of my relatively young life, winning in Melbourne was not the be all and end all.  Saying so is just stupid.

But really believes it.

If Kingston Town had not raced at Mooney Valley he would have had plenty of starts in Melbourne without success but then again he was second tier wasn't he??                  A bloody stupid theory don't you think??

If you subscribe to that nonsense you could maintain that Northerly was no good

because he could not win in Sydney.

 

wouldn't you love to own a Horse that could "only" win a Group One WFA race(Queen Elizabeth) as well as a Group One Handicap(as the Brisbane Cup was when he won it) he was no Champion but he was a very good horse and not that far from it

I got the impression from watching the video that he raced in just about every major staying race in the country. He seemed to race in most Derbies, the big cups and a heap of WFA race. Winning 2 of them would suggest he was at that level

A better example of a durable unheralded tough as teak top class horse that was good enough to win in Melbourne would be The Filbert.
69 starts 11 wins 42 placings
3rd in the 1985 Japan Cup and 3rd in the 1986 Cox Plate, ruled out of the 1986 Melbourne Cup on race morning by the VRC vet.

44 of his 69 starts were at WFA.

What where the excuses in his 58 loses ?