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Author Topic: Punter pulls off dogs sting but gets paid light  (Read 995 times)
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Original Post 2012-Jan-25, 07:26 AM

Punter pulls off great greyhound sting but is denied cash

Brent Zerafa
c/ Daily Telegraph

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/punter-pulls-off-great-greyhound-sting-but-is-denied-cash/story-fn67rc85-1226252805641


THIS sting hadn't been planned for months, it was a spur of the moment stab at winning $150,000.

After gazing at the form for the twilight meeting at Horsham early yesterday, it immediately appeared the perfect race to pull off the plunge.

Despite the race being a handicap with dogs starting from staggered boxes, Stack 'Em Flat and Echelon looked head and shoulders above their rivals in the opening race. They would start from the two inside boxes, there was three scratchings and in the opinion of the punter, the three remaining rivals were hopeless.

Having been a part of the Lucy's Light sting from 2005, the punter - a high-profile greyhound owner who also works for a bookmaker - had the perfect blueprint to once again get plenty of bang for his buck.

The plan would be to manipulate the place pools of the NSW tote and UNITAB by having calculated amounts on the three dogs which he gave no chance.

This would dramatically reduce their place price and as a result, inflate the price of the two dogs he thought would fight out the finish.

From there he would back both dogs with four corporate bookmakers who offer "middle tote", paying the middle dividend of the three totaliser pools in Australia.

With the accounts loaded, the bets on Stack 'Em Flat and Echelon were placed at 4.02pm, exactly two minutes before jump-time so that the bookies would not be alerted to the sting.

Just before the bunny rolled in to action, the button was pressed to place the bets on the three other dogs and the stage was set.

The result couldn't have been any better, Stack 'Em Flat won by just over a metre from Echelon, with their rivals 13 metres away in third.

In Victoria, Stack 'Em Flat's official winning dividend was $2.00 while Echelon started $1.80 favourite.

But the perfect ending wasn't to be with the bookies smelling a sting.

With the Lucy's Light sting still fresh in the minds, safe guards were established in the terms and conditions of bookmakers to prevent liability of paying out bets that are results of tote manipulation.

"I am just very disappointed in the corporates (bookmakers), they want to take your money and if the dog gets beat or breaks down they would be happily taking my money," the punter said.

"We invested $20,000 hoping to win about $120,000, clear that figure at least.

"We've won, but not too much about, $20,000 or something."

Sportingbet bet originally paid the full amount of $66,000 but reduced the pay-out to $30,000, Centrebet returned $16,000, Betchoice $8,000 and Betstar suspended the bets. Tabcorp have previously raised integrity concerns with corporate bookies offering tote products as they believe it carries the risk of tote manipulation.
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2012-Jan-25, 07:39 AM

http://racingform.betfair.com.au/market.php?mi=100445141

According to these figures the article makes little sense.

That's partly because Betfair chooses to display the wrong figures.

Actual ones are vastly different.


http://www.tab.com.au/Racing/Information/Results/DisplayDetailedView.aspx?State=1&MeetingCode=P&RacingCode=G&FromDate=2012-01-24T00%3a00%3a00&RaceNumber=01

http://www.tab.com.au/Racing/Information/Results/DisplayDetailedView.aspx?State=2&MeetingCode=P&RacingCode=G&FromDate=2012-01-24T00%3a00%3a00&RaceNumber=01

http://tatts.com/racing/2012/1/24/VG/1
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2012-Jan-25, 07:57 AM

http://www.tab.com.au/Racing/Information/Results/DisplayDetailedView.aspx?State=2&MeetingCode=P&RacingCode=G&FromDate=2012-01-24T00%3a00%3a00&RaceNumber=01

You've doubled up the Vic figures JFC, the NSW figures might help.

I wonder why the rebate kings didnt knock the odds off though?
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2012-Jan-25, 08:10 AM

http://www.tab.com.au/Racing/Information/Results/DisplayDetailedView.aspx?State=2&MeetingCode=P&RacingCode=G&FromDate=2012-01-24T00%3a00%3a00&RaceNumber=01

You've doubled up the Vic figures JFC, the NSW figures might help.

I wonder why the rebate kings didnt knock the odds off though?


The Kickback Ksars could well have Krushed the $1.00 Place on Echelon.

The Race 1 Place Pools are vastly bigger than Race 2.

Suggesting they will make hay until March.
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2012-Jan-25, 08:49 AM

Middle tote plave div's were 7.00 and 6.20 not bad when they evens the win !!! great effort
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2012-Jan-25, 10:07 AM

Same perpetrator as Lucy Light. He just used a bowler this time.
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2012-Jan-25, 10:32 AM

How dumb are these bookies, who live off the fat of rebates from TABCORP.

Four corporate bookmakers - Sportingbet, Betchoice, Centrebet and Eskander's Betstar - were hit by the punter, who opened accounts with them hours before the race. None of the four bookmakers paid the full amount to the punter, claiming they have terms and conditions that prevent payments that are the result of manipulated pools.

that's right, a "new bowler" opened an account in the morning after seeing the pathetic field and the 2 certain quinella dogs, and his first bets were for thousands of bucks the place on dogs that were paying unders at the time they were put on  lol

and this touching little piece from TABCORP

Tabcorp have previously raised integrity concerns with corporate bookies offering tote products as they believe it carries the risk of tote manipulation.

but let's give them a rebate anyway for them giving us their business  Shrug
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2012-Jan-25, 11:04 AM

I assume the Bookmakers would have taken his/their money had the dog/s lost so what right do they have to not pay out at the right divs?
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2012-Jan-25, 11:07 AM

Do we need a punting Ombudsmen ?

I agree with Tevez17.
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2012-Jan-25, 11:15 AM

* This gives them the right.
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2012-Jan-25, 11:29 AM

I'd love to see the punter challenge it  chin

They haven't broken any laws 
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2012-Jan-25, 12:29 PM

Did Curly challenge the first one as I feel it is wrong when they accept the bet and then IF it wins they wont pay out.

As for manipulating the peice Bookies/ corps do it all the time so I dont feel that is a reasonable excuse.

Well done to the punter, no different to someone having inside knowledge of a plunge etc.
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2012-Jan-25, 12:56 PM

Corporate bookmakers are the scurge of the industry.

I applaud anyone who can get an earn from them.

They run by their own rules and refuse to pay for their right to field.
They refuse to bet anyone they choose, which ensures their combined $100s million  profits.

The Federal Govt must hang their heads in shame for allowing NT to steal money from all the other states  Thumb Down

Having said that, the states sealed their own fate with backward thinking.

If this race fields legislation does not go through, racing is GONE!!!
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2012-Jan-25, 01:07 PM

And what if 1 of the roughies had lobbed? The corporates would have paid out at the pathetic odds of $1.40. How can they have their cake and eat it too? There are honest victims of tote manipulation but the bookie is in a win/win position with their *
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2012-Jan-25, 01:11 PM

It's ironic that the on-course bookies are being forced out by the Corps AND the TAB's AND the Race Fields Legislation

Face to face bookies cannot survive . . . How many left in Brisbane now??

When they are gone the "Get 'em to the Races" thread will be surplus to requirements

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