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2010-Sep-13, 04:19 PM



Just enquiring about a little on the history of Doomben.

Even DD and Norton weren't around when the straight six was finished biggrin  but I was wondering did John Wren own Doomben in those days?
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2010-Sep-13, 08:02 PM

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On Dbn, my recollection is that Wren and his mates ran the show from the 20s to early 30s.  It was a private operation and they made a squillion.  The government outlawed proprietary racing in early 1930s, and I believe the government took over in some way.  However, BATC (to become BTC) leased it until early 1950s when the Club purchased it.  (It could be that Wren and his mates OWNED the track until 1953 or thereabouts.)

The straight track was built in around 1933, and was in operation till the War took over in 1941.  US troops lived at both Dbn and EF.  The straight six was cut off to expand the old Eagle Farm aerodrome.  At close of the War, the main circuit was given back to BATC to continue their racing, but the straight track was gonski.

Hope this helps.
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2010-Sep-13, 08:09 PM

You make a very pointed statement p and it has been dismissed without proper reasoning by both norton & dubbledee.

Perhaps it is time for RQ to step up and provide all of the training for the Metro facilities and remove the cost/revenue from the BRC?

Gee will this start a debate   biggrin


Perhaps MagiC can let us know how things are going with the new stabling at Sunshine Coast - this is the sort of show vadim is advocating.

Anyone in there yet?  Anyone paying any rent?  If so, how much?  (It was reportedly "oversubscribed".  nowink )

If the cost for stabling at EF is in fact around $10 a day - as an owner I'd be very satisfied to be paying that to have my horse stabled in a warm, dry, secure box, within walking distance of the best training facilities around SEQ.  Trainers charge around $70 a day for training, so 15% towards my horse's lodging is very fair, IMO.

And of course the question that needs to be asked is what the costs will be when Bob takes over?  If it's less than present, will this mean a decrease in prizemoney? chin
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2010-Sep-13, 08:30 PM



Just enquiring about a little on the history of Doomben.

Even DD and Norton weren't around when the straight six was finished     biggrin  but I was wondering did John Wren own Doomben in those days?


gratlog, just to prove I was around, here's a pic I took during the War.  Sorry my BB wasn't too flash, but you'll get the idea. wink

Note all the army camps, and the planes on the new airport.  The straight track can be seen going top left to bottom right.


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2010-Sep-14, 10:00 AM

Interested to see the semi-cylindrical hangars at the air-strip.  I'm pretty sure they were still in use at the old Brissie airport well into the 60s and 70s.  They'd had a coat of paint of course. lol
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2010-Sep-14, 10:35 AM

Those hangars were still there in 1970 I reckon as I was giving a mate a hand to take some Courier mails down there to be put on the small planes so they could be taken to regional areas.

We drove into one of those small hangars.

Might try to track that book of Frank Hardy's down.  Power Without Glory.

That was about Wren and those times.
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2010-Sep-14, 11:29 AM

Is it mentioned in QR's recently published "history" ? . . My copy is on loan
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2010-Sep-14, 12:14 PM

Don't have it to check, arthur.

Wren and Nathan operated several tracks in the early part of the 1900s.  I think Kedron, Deagon, Albion Park, and Doomben.  (These were the glory days of "unregistered" racing.  Bob would have liked that.)  The Creek started in the 1880s or so, but Wren bought it in 1910 for 25,000 pounds.  A group of locals got hold of it 1922 and they became the foundation members of BATC.

The John Wren of PWG fame was the son of Irish migrant JW Snr.  There have been a few other JWs born since then.  The guy were talking about died in 1953.
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2010-Sep-14, 12:20 PM

Perhaps MagiC can let us know how things are going with the new stabling at Sunshine Coast - this is the sort of show vadim is advocating.


Lets have a look:

I understand they are leasing in 16 box lots

On a 6 month lease each box would cost $70/month, 2 year lease $65 & 5 years $62.50.

If you were to say lease 48 boxes over 5 years then this reduces to 57.50.

The leasing arrangement gives access to 8 horse walkers (ratio 1:32 horses), sandroll (1:32), hosedown (1:16).

On top of this there is a charge for training of $15/week which allows access to grass gallops and the pool.

Should you require grass jump-outs they cost $20.

Therefore as a comparision say we take 32 boxes on a 5 year lease then cost per horse;

62.50/month + $15/week = $750/annum + $780/annum = $1,530/365 = $4.19/day


Oops hold fire.

If I am going to compare apples with apples (Norton phrase) I should add that the BRC also charge an extra $4.00/day for track fees.

Therefore the comparision is $14.33/day versus $4.19/day for Sunshine Coast.

i.e approximatley 29.23% of BRC cost.


I understand that the SCTC cost/day might refelct the cost of training on the Gold Coast in time.


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2010-Sep-14, 03:48 PM

i see the annual report shows trainers fee revenue of $790,000 for 480 horses which averages to about $4.50 a day


p this amount is for track fees only not all of the other associated costs listed independently.

You will note that on p26 the total revenue for stable, track & barrier trial fees is $2,215,719.

If you take the horses stabled on site then that income is 230 x 14.33 x 365 = $1,203,000

The the income received from horses not stabled on site is (480-230) x 4 x 365 = $365,000

I can only presume that the balance of $647,719 has been generated from barrier trial fees wink
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2010-Sep-14, 03:54 PM



If the cost for stabling at EF is in fact around $10 a day - as an owner I'd be very satisfied to be paying that to have my horse stabled in a warm, dry, secure box, within walking distance of the best training facilities around SEQ.  Trainers charge around $70 a day for training, so 15% towards my horse's lodging is very fair, IMO.]


From a statement like this I can only assume you get your horses trained elsewhere

Perhaps you should have a read of the following blog courtesy of Graham Potter;

http://horseracingonly.com.au/racing-article.aspx?id=968





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2010-Sep-14, 04:06 PM

Is it true that the Club will now not have a recurring income received in the past as developed by the junior partner and to the Sound of Music?

Perhaps this is the reason patrons whom attend now have to reserve tables normally available to club members.  So much for looking after the regulars. It seems now that our membership fees allow us to get in the gate and have access to the members areas but after that reserve or else rant

So much for encouraging members to attend chin

There is an old saying shut the gate on something for someone and they will never return rant
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2010-Sep-14, 04:09 PM

hopefully shut the elevator doors on bob bent.s head and problems solved
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2010-Sep-14, 07:05 PM

Lets have a look:

I understand they are leasing in 16 box lots

On a 6 month lease each box would cost $70/month, 2 year lease $65 & 5 years $62.50.

If you were to say lease 48 boxes over 5 years then this reduces to 57.50.

The leasing arrangement gives access to 8 horse walkers (ratio 1:32 horses), sandroll (1:32), hosedown (1:16).

On top of this there is a charge for training of $15/week which allows access to grass gallops and the pool.

Should you require grass jump-outs they cost $20.

Therefore as a comparision say we take 32 boxes on a 5 year lease then cost per horse;

62.50/month + $15/week = $750/annum + $780/annum = $1,530/365 = $4.19/day


Oops hold fire.

If I am going to compare apples with apples (Norton phrase) I should add that the BRC also charge an extra $4.00/day for track fees.

Therefore the comparision is $14.33/day versus $4.19/day for Sunshine Coast.

i.e approximatley 29.23% of BRC cost.


I understand that the SCTC cost/day might refelct the cost of training on the Gold Coast in time.



vadim, thanks for that.

That 5-year package of 32 boxes would be attractive to how many trainers in SEQ?  One???

My own view - and from what I can ascertain it's shared by many others - is that the EF training facilities are way better than what's on offer at SC.  I don't hear of anyone wanting to leave EF and head north.  You might know more on that???

But I wasn't asking about costs...

The questions were, is anyone in there, and how much are they paying.  I gather there were a lot of introductory offers over the Carnival at mates' rates?  Would that be true?
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2010-Sep-14, 07:29 PM

vads maybe you should step up to the plate when bob gets barred post state election.......that is after a democratic vote of stakeholders state wide....you know a bit like the democracy this country runs on federally{3 years},a bit like the way the states operate{3years},a bit like the way local councils function{3 years} and somewhat like the way sporting organizations perform year after year and decade after decade..........its called democracy and its big in most parts of the world unfortunately not all as WE all know{BOB BENT.--BOB MUGABE}.......vads you think bill ludwig will still be the chair of country racing post election being a city boy and all
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