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OldLarsy
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Original Post 2009-Apr-06, 02:44 PM

There was a thread for deaths of well known people in the TNHRCF.
We should have one here.

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2012-Jan-28, 11:24 PM

This came as a bit of a shock.  No matter your feeling toward Bondy, he must be hurting right now. 
Sincere condolences. 
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2012-Jan-29, 11:43 PM

RIP Robert Hegyes, (Juan Epstein from Welcome Back Kotter), he was 60.
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2012-Feb-04, 08:01 AM

Can't  believe no-one has mentioned the death of Angelo Dundee.  The man is a legend. 
Made 90 before they counted him out. 
Well done champ. 
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2012-Feb-04, 10:29 AM

  Thumb Up   We agree on something.

If you were a boxer and could pick anyone in history to be in your corner, it would be him.
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2012-Feb-04, 10:35 AM

Life With Dundee in My Corner

By Gordon Marino

Boxing lost an immortal this week. Angelo Dundee, the trainer of 15 world champions, died on Wednesday in Clearwater, Fla. The maestro of Miami Beach’s Fifth Street Gym, Dundee worked with Muhammad Ali for all but two of his 61 bouts. He also trained Carmen Basilio and Sugar Ray Leonard. When George Foreman fought for and regained the heavyweight title at 45, he made sure that he had Dundee in his corner.

Born in Philadelphia in 1921, Angelo Dundee was a master strategist and perhaps the best in the bruising business for making split second decisions in the middle of the fray. In 1964, Ali, then Cassius Clay, challenged Sonny Liston for the heavyweight title. For the first four frames, the ominous Liston did all he could to lay a glove on the brash 22-year-old known as the Louisville Lip. As no other heavyweight since Gene Tunney, the 6-foot-3 Ali circled and like a picador speared his fearsome opponent at will.

A major underdog, the challenger was building a commanding lead when suddenly, during Round 4, a mysterious foreign substance made its way into his eyes, rendering him virtually blind. At the bell, Ali came back to the corner howling and insisting that Dundee cut the gloves and go to the commission. But Dundee had been around boxing long enough to know where whining to the commission would take them.

Refusing to stop the fight, Dundee hollered, “This is the big one daddy!” At the bell, he shoved Ali center ring, yelling, “Run, kid, run!” And run he did. In a few minutes, Ali’s vision returned and he quickly pummeled Liston into submission to become heavyweight champion.

There was no one cooler than Angelo Dundee in the heat of battle and there was no one warmer and more generous than Dundee anywhere else. I should know. I was one of many recipients of his kindness.

In 2000, I interviewed Dundee for an article focusing on boxing tips from elite pugilists and cornermen. Most celebrities are so self-absorbed that it is hard for them to relate to other people, and especially reporters as anything more than implements for their career advancement. Dundee was the equivalent of the anti-celebrity. He made contact with you and kept it. Of course, this was a man who was of the now rare conviction that boxing writers create the interest that drives professional boxing. But Dundee’s amiability was much more than a ploy. Like Ali, his most his famous charge, he had the rare blessing of an abundant capacity to enjoy people and take an authentic interest in their lives.

Then in his 80s, Dundee exhibited some tricks of his trade. With the air of a master, he instructed, “When you are jabbing, keep that front knee bent.” Then he demonstrated the uppercut that he learned from his first champion, the rugged Carmen Basilio. “Instead of turning your hand over, palm up, just bring the right straight up and hit him with the top of your hand – right by the thumb. Like this – bing!” He bopped me lightly on the whiskers.

Dundee discoursed on psychology: “Everyone is an individual. There is no mold for people. With Muhammad [as he almost always called him] you couldn’t really tell him anything. He was so much fun but he had a very big ego and you wouldn’t just say, ‘Do this or do that.’ If I wanted him to bend his knees I would wait to the end of the workout, pat him on the back and say, ‘Way to bend today. You looked great.’”

After I left South Florida with a suitcase of boxing knowledge in my noggin, I began pestering Angelo regularly for my continuing fistic education, but also just to bask in the man’s warmth. Again, like Ali (they were perfectly matched) Dundee had the gift of gab and a love of words. Indeed, as a kid growing up in South Philly, Angelo’s mom would never send him to the store because he would talk with everyone and never get back home. After a while, Angelo and I were chatting on an almost daily basis and whenever possible, I would visit with him in Clearwater or on one of his forays to the Hall of Fame or a fight.

Just two days before he died, Angelo was telling me how important it was to get your fighters to slide six inches to the right after they punch, so that they could get the best angle for their next shot. He was also promising to show me the move in the gym. Then he joked, “I’m going to ask the commission to put an escalator instead of stairs next to the ring, so that I can get back in the corner.”

To be sure, I was only one of many people in his orbit of friends, but one of Angelo’s special qualities was that he made everyone feel terrific. He proved that you could spread love around without thinning it out. When one of my boxers was in some relatively small-time bout in Minnesota, he would insist that I put the kid on the phone with him before the fight and then call him after, even though by then Angelo was close to 90 and it was almost midnight.

Sometimes when we were together, I would look at him and just ponder the thousands of fights that he worked in perfecting his strange craft. One day Angelo matter-of-factly recalled, “Oh, back in the day, we used to drive up from New York to North Adams, Mass. for fights. Maybe get out of there at 12 or later and then drive back to the city. There were many times when I was working someone’s corner six nights a week.”

What we do affects how we think, how we construct our experience. Angelo saw much of life as though from the corner of a ring. Hours after his beloved wife Helen passed away in 2010, I called and, in a tone that I never heard from him before or after, he sighed, “It’s a knockout . . . It’s over.”

Marginalized a sport as it may be, boxing provides rich metaphors for the ups and downs of life. Those who train people for the ring get close to the nerve and bone of humanity on a regular basis, and the best of them, like Angelo Dundee, distill some deep wisdom about the hurly burly of human existence. They learn how to size up people, how to pace themselves, how to endure and get up from the thunderous blows that everyone is bound to absorb.

As a philosophy professor as well as a boxing trainer, I often bothered the poor man with lame questions: What has boxing taught you about life? Ang would pull a face and peer at me as though I were what he sometimes called me – an extra-terrestrial (when he meant existential) philosopher. If you pressed him, the most philosophical he might get was his famous, “It doesn’t cost anything to be nice.” I was never satisfied with that explanation but in the way Angelo treated people, he showed you that this was not just some memorized, throw-away line.

At the next big fight, the crowd will stand in silence as the ring bell tolls 10 times for Angelo Dundee. Those of us who, in one way or another, were fortunate enough to have had Angelo in our corners, can only hope that we learned something more than boxing from this remarkable trainer of men.

Gordon Marino writes on boxing for the Jounrnal. He is also a professor of philosophy at St. Olaf College and a boxing trainer in Minnesota.
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2012-Feb-07, 08:42 PM

RIP Ben Gazzara, 81, American actor (Run for Your Life, Road House), pancreatic cancer.
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2012-Feb-08, 07:57 AM

Shocked to learn of the passing of an old comrade Bob Steinitz probably a bit younger than me............died on Saturday 4th February.

I first met Bob when he was Associate to Alan Taylor in the State Industrial Commission and would bump into him at the races occasionally,he was a lucky punter and in his later life used to frequent the Broncos League Club on Saturdays.

He was industrial advocate for the Nurses Union after working in the same capacity for the Missos.....we had a great battle for the right to enrol Teacher Aides...in the 70's ........Bob won that case.

Later he ran his own busy Industrial advocacy practice in the city.....he was never short of clients....I helped him out sometimes when overloaded.

Very sad news I haven't seen him for years and had no idea he was unwell. rip
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2012-Feb-08, 08:26 AM

RIP Ben Gazzara, 81, American actor (Run for Your Life, Road House), pancreatic cancer.


one of those actors that after looking up his name after seeing your post and then seeing a picture of him I remembered him vividly from many movies..

plenty of actors like him that you would have watched them many times but maybe not know the name of

RIP
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2012-Feb-12, 11:38 AM

Sad news about Whitney. Sad

WHITNEY Houston, who reigned as pop music's queen until her majestic voice and regal image were ravaged by drug use, has died.
She was 48.

Publicist Kristen Foster said Saturday that the singer had died, but the cause and the location of her death were unclear.

At her peak in the 1980s and '90s, Houston the golden girl of the music industry and one of the world's best-selling artists.

Among her hits were How Will I Know, Saving All My Love for You and I Will Always Love You.

She won multiple Grammys including album and record of the year.

Her success carried her beyond music to movies like The Bodyguard.

But by the end of her career, drug use took its toll as her record sales plummeted and her voice became raspy and hoarse.

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2012-Feb-12, 12:27 PM

That's quite shocking DD. A very sad ending to someone with such a gifted voice.

Geez the chance of an early death of popular singers/entertainers is quite high. Drugs always seem to be involved.

Whitney Houston
Amy Winehouse
Michael Jackson
Kurt Cobain

and was always a factor:

Billie Holiday
Marilyn
Elvis
Janis Joplin
Jimi Hendrix
Jim Morrison

you could go on and on......makes you wonder what really happens behind the veil of publicity.


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2012-Feb-12, 02:06 PM

On the eve of the grammy award ceremony as well. No doubt a show full of tributes.
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2012-Feb-12, 02:18 PM

Yes, Whitney was top of the pops in the mid 80's. She really had a fall from grace when Bobby Brown stepped into her life. Drugs was always a contributing factor to her going off the rails in the 90's.
Sure she toured in Aus a few years ago & was booed for her lousy performances.

Not sure if drugs were involved in her final demise but she's an example of being at the top & throwing it all away.  sad 
     
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2012-Feb-13, 11:05 AM

Very sad ending to a career that looked as though it would last forever.

When she was good, she was just sensational.


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2012-Feb-13, 09:24 PM



Actor David Kelly has died in hospital after a short illness.

The 82-year-old was one of the most recognisable voices and faces of Irish stage and screen.

I remember him best from Robin's Nest, where he played the role of Albert Riddle, the one arm waiter.
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2012-Feb-22, 08:40 PM

Lost a mate to suicide yesterday  Sad
Billy was born a couple of doors up from TJ's stables at Randwick.
I always joked with him that being that close the race track he couldn't not take up punting he DID with gusto
Billy wasn't the best punter around but keen to learn and keen to share!
How do we miss that our mates need help?
R.I.P MATE love ya  tears
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