Racehorse TALK

one of the weakest on record,or maybe not,its often quite weak,58 to 75 raters and its a group 2 ffs

group 3 i should say

C3 would be closer

I swear before I even read any of these posts I was gonna say G3 my a$$. Bloody joke.

Raise, Rena's Lady, Operetta Lass, Wild Iris - the previous winners didn't exactly have mind numbing form. Don't think any had won blacktype prior to this race - most hadn't even contested blacktype think you'll find. So it's entirely consistent.

It's run one week after a similar race. It's always going to be a race for the hopefuls. Some will go on plenty wont.

so therefore G3 is over estimating it a touch isn't it?

My main query was  questioning whether it's any different to most years. 

Spring Champion and TJ Smith [Qld] has always struck me as questionable G1's...but 2&3yo blacktype races can tend to get generous assessments. Neither fazes me that much though.

I look at the juvenile races as indicators of future good horses and look at the open class races as being the races that should stand up to scrutiny.

Spring Champion?  I would have thought that although there are a few here that didn't go on with it, overall, they compare favourably with the Vic Derby winners?

2008 : Sousa
2007 : No race due to Equine Influenza
2006 : Teranaba
2005 : Hotel Grand
2004 : Savabeel
2003 : Niello
2002 : Platinum Scissors
2001 : Viking Ruler
2000 : Universal Prince
1999 : Fairway
1998 : Dignity Dancer
1997 : Tie the Knot
1996 : Magic of Sydney
1995 : Nothin' Leica Dane
1994 : Danewin
 

What is the record of The Wakeful stakes compared with this race ?

Been really impressed with JESSICABEEL (NZ)

A have a feeling Rezyana may turn into a handy horse.

I'm warming to Above Perfection. Her run last start seemed pretty good for this lot.

Last run was huge