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c/ Twitter. A selection of thank you's written on the thank you wall at Caulfield last Saturday for BC. Note the middle message all the way from Chicago.
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But as usual the thing I noticed was Bill's spelling of Hero.
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Seeing they got more paying people at the cricket last night than Caulfield could pull says a lot of what racing is thought about as they have been saying for a couple of years that this form of cricket is finished,I wonder what they charged for a bottle of water as Doomben charged me $4.90 for a 375ml bottle when I went there last year. 
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Shake A Little
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I'm really against the idea of running her in the Lightning. I'm a firm believer that horses DO NOT run well after short backups. Sure there are exceptions to this, e.g the Mackinnon into the Cup - however most of those runners are run cold and a plan has been in place for 9 months to get them to peak on the Tuesday.
I recall at the start of her prep Moody said they would be light on her and she would have a relatively easy prep as she is going to have a long year with all of the travel. Can someone tell me how running a horse 3 weeks in a row is good for a horse? I am a big fan of Moody and I have always admired his ability to target the right race for a horse, but running her 3 weeks in a row then possibly sending her off to Dubai to run on dirt would have to be one of the more bizarre ideas I have come across.
The owners have made a packet off her already, concede the Lightning to Hay List, give her a gallop at home on Saturday then romp in the Futurity. Then if the owners really want to chase the prize money well Dubai would be a valid option.
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specialweek
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Tapeta isn't dirt but I get your drift. Does anyone else get the feeling that a deal may have been done with this horse with a big overseas player. Constant reference by Moody, Nolen etc that this is the time Australians will get to see the last of her up close for awhile, kind of makes me feel that money may be a consideration. The big money races outside of Dubai and HK are not in sprint races so the fact that she has won 18 straight and over 4 million dollars, which is not a lot compared to the prize money in the bigger stakes countries BUT perhaps as a mare is where the interest may be from.
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The Peter Moody stable has confirmed that Australian racing's pin up girl has “pulled up super” following her triumph in Saturday's Group 1 Sportingbet C.F.Orr Stakes (1400m) at Caulfield.
Regular post-race inspections by her vet and chiropractor on Monday morning were all positive, paving the way for connections to pursue a defence of her Lightning Stakes crown.
“She has pulled up super and will be nominated today with the intention of running on Saturday if all progresses well this week,” Moody's racing manager Jeff O'Connor said.
“We have up until Saturday morning to decide if she runs.
"But the signs are all very positive at this stage and we are pressing on with the intention of running her.”
Nominations for the weight-for-age Lightning Stakes, which doubles as the opening leg of the Global Sprint Challenge, close at 12 noon on Monday, with acceptances taken at 10am Wednesday.
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 2012-Feb-13, 01:09 PM
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All,
Three runs in 3 weeks for Black Cavier is not really 3 runs in 3 weeks as usually regarded if the first run barely tested her.
In addition going to Dubai presents some risks not yet encountered which can see winners lose :-
1) Inoculations for overseas travel has ruined some horses - for good! 2) Some horses get travel sickness and or simply pick up bugs easier due to travel stress ( ie Bart could not keep Saintly well ) 3) running on dirt 4) possibly rising in grade 5) team riding might see her blocked into a hole there
Maybe Moody senses the risks and is simply making hey hile the sun shines.
Fours ps consider the large number of overseas 'champs' that come and hopelessly flop in the Cox Plate or MC - its simply not there normal form.
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 2012-Feb-13, 01:13 PM
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running her 3 weeks in a row then possibly sending her off to Dubai to run on dirt would have to be one of the more bizarre ideas I have come across.
Perhaps you've answered your own question there- if the owners/trainer are leaning against going to Dubai, which as Moody stated on the pommie interview posted by Authoised earlier would result in her being away from her usual environment for a number of weeks before Ascot, then it makes sense to chase more easy-pickings in Australia first. Moody & owners can offset missing the 2 million up for grabs in the Dubai race by going around in the 1 million Lightning followed by the Futurity & then for example the 400k SportingBet plate at Morphetville or a mares race at Rosehill on Slipper Day.
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 2012-Feb-13, 01:21 PM
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In addition going to Dubai presents some risks not yet encountered which can see winners lose :-
1) Inoculations for overseas travel has ruined some horses - for good!
fours, if you believe that, you would also believe in the Easter Bunny?
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 2012-Feb-13, 01:24 PM
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Dubbledee, Its an excuse often used by trainers to explain a total loss of form.... and retirement..... Dubbledee - surely theyre not lying..... Fours Waller did say My Kingdom of Fife had no chance of winning first up that day...... 
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Shake A Little
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 2012-Feb-13, 01:29 PM
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Perhaps you've answered your own question there- if the owners/trainer are leaning against going to Dubai, which as Moody stated on the pommie interview posted by Authoised earlier would result in her being away from her usual environment for a number of weeks before Ascot, then it makes sense to chase more easy-pickings in Australia first. Moody & owners can offset missing the 2 million up for grabs in the Dubai race by going around in the 1 million Lightning followed by the Futurity & then for example the 400k SportingBet plate at Morphetville or a mares race at Rosehill on Slipper Day.
Sure it makes to look at it that way. However, Moody's reason for running her in the Lightning is that she has to have a gallop anyway so why not pick up a cheque for doing so. This to me was an indication that she will be going to Dubai as well as running in the Lightning. If Hay List shoots 4L in front with 300m to go BC is going to be seriously ridden by Nolen..Why risk that when you can give her a gallop around at 5am in the dark under controlled conditions?
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 2012-Feb-13, 01:56 PM
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Dubbledee, Its an excuse often used by trainers to explain a total loss of form.... and retirement..... Dubbledee - surely theyre not lying..... Fours Waller did say My Kingdom of Fife had no chance of winning first up that day......  Yes, it is often offered as an explanation for a horse's loss of form - and they may well believe that, and get comfort from the fact that the explanation sounds plausible to the media, and those that listen.
But in reality, it is not the explanation. Modern vaccines are safe, and generally cause nothing more than a transient myalgia and fever.
The word is "co-incidence". Misreading of coincidence has sent many "researchers" up dead-end alleys.
Those trainers are certainly not lying: they're stating their belief. Similarly, our mates who "always get a cold after their flu shot" are not lying. That's what they believe. Their statement implies causation, when in fact it's association, or co-incidence.
Thankfully, the world is not full of scientists. Even so, the world's a much healthier and safer place because there are some out there working for the betterment of mankind.
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Dubbledee,
I have a great deal of empathy for your last post despite my scientific training.
However why do the Americans compensate a small % of children that have adverse reactions to vaccinations - readily and openly based on what the science says......
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People have allergies or reactions to basically everything.
Isn't it possible that people/horses can have reactions to these injections?
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dubbledee
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The answer is (1) because it's America (2) it's fair more cost-effective to pay out than challenge in court. To convince a court that something is co-incidental rather than the direct result of vaccination would be an expensive gamble.
These adverse reactions occur for a variety of reasons, ranging from human error in preparation of the vaccination and delivery of it, to inapporpriate post-treatment care, etc, etc. But it's NOT the vaccine per se that's the problem.
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Well, those who make a fortune doing "allergy tests" would subscribe to your view. That's not to say that our own immune systems are not sometimes their own worst enemies.
"Possible", yes; "probable" no. If such reaction does occur, it will, again, be transient and manageable. IMO, it will NOT cause long-term loss of form.
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 2012-Feb-13, 02:31 PM
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Anyway, back to the great mare. 
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