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chuggers
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Original Post 2009-May-28, 09:30 PM

Ok,

DD & Ascot, he is your chance to bag the  censored out of this site.

I am willing to answer your cricts answers but even better if we get few responses--I will try and get Pursher to give some response.

Let's go !!

PS: I am not in any way assoicated with JR site or Pursher--I live in NSW but I do subscribe.
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2010-Jan-18, 12:39 PM

DD, there is a clear distinction between win, place and each way betting, no staking plan will change the facts if you cant get your selections to lob

Precisely my point, gov. Thumb Up
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2010-Jan-18, 03:53 PM

And where is the evidence that 1x2 is a "ludicrous way to bet"?  Why it is it any less smart that 3x0, or 2x1, or 0x3.

Sure, after the race we all know what's the best strategy, but 1x2 could well be the BEST approach if you're tipping longer-price horses who occasionally win, but often run the drum.

We all have views on betting strategies, but they'll be based on opinion rather than fact.


Unless they return exactly the same POT for place or win surely you just lump it on which ever bet type returns the most.
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2010-Jan-18, 04:10 PM

But how do you know before the race???  chin

If I was comparing sets of tips (one per race), I'd be calculating the results when each tip is backed to RETURN $100.

This balances out the pros/cons of tipping favourites vs long-shots.
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2010-Jan-18, 04:13 PM

Sectionals alone won't produce many winners. They need to be used with other factors.

Lot's of horses run good sectionals but keep getting beaten because they race too far back and Aussie races are often slowly run.


I think they'd do ok, just sectional times, no video form at all.
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2010-Jan-18, 04:20 PM

Accurate sectionals are a wonderful asset to racing analysis, and understanding. Thumb Up

Unfortunately, we have them only for Sydney and Melbourne Racing, as of now.  Anything elsewhere is guesswork.

They're available on the TVN website for free:

http://www.tvn.com.au/tvnlive/v1/system/modules/org.tvn.website/jsptemplates/tvn_sectionals.jsp;jsessionid=2C26161E890331E22E2588BE9A678607.tvnEngine3?TVNSESSION=2C26161E890331E22E2588BE9A678607.tvnEngine3
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2010-Jan-18, 04:24 PM

I used them a while ago, just for Melbourne racing, but couldn't be farked doing them for a Saturday and Wednesday meeting.
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2010-Jan-18, 04:39 PM

But how do you know before the race???  chin

If I was comparing sets of tips (one per race), I'd be calculating the results when each tip is backed to RETURN $100.

This balances out the pros/cons of tipping favourites vs long-shots.


True you don't know - but you should have at least some idea of the expectation of either event happening.
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2010-Jan-18, 05:51 PM

I think you were on a hiding to nothing with this Chuggs.

Surely 10 weeks wouldn't have been long enough one way or the other to determine if he produces a profit with his tips.


Yeh--I saw that after accepting---but to Della's credit he offered a $500 prize to a charity---and I did not have to offer any.
So--the guilt stepped in and I up the anti for a $100 quaddie--loser pays.

I don't think it proved a lot--I can go on about if this & that happened---but thats pissing in the wind---and I'm not a whinger.

And in the end---I don't give a  censored if just racing site didn't get any credits for this challenge---most of the forumites hate his guts anyway    lol   lol

We move on.

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2010-Jan-18, 08:28 PM

Surely a good punter would be in front after 10 weeks  stop




MajiC,

Hard to say--most weeks two tips---some one tip---at least one week no tips---one horse got beaten a lip--was around 12/1 ---so depending on which way you look at it---I'd consider---close to even stephens---but certainly--no massive profits.

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2010-Jan-18, 08:33 PM

Sectionals alone won't produce many winners. They need to be used with other factors.

Lot's of horses run good sectionals but keep getting beaten because they race too far back and Aussie races are often slowly run.


GM,

This is the first time I give you the big  thumbsup bop love hold it I will remove the  love bit

Cause you are talking a lot of sense---I agree 100%--some others just focus on "the sectionals".

Now, give us some tips--and don't charge for it.    lol

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2010-Jan-18, 08:41 PM

One of my pet hates is when a horse reels of remarkable closing sectionals from back in the field and runs an eyecatching 4th, and people say a repeat performance will see it winning next start.

I always say a repeat performance will see it running 4th next start  Undecided
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2010-Jan-18, 09:03 PM

One of my pet hates is when a horse reels of remarkable closing sectionals from back in the field and runs an eyecatching 4th, and people say a repeat performance will see it winning next start.

I always say a repeat performance will see it running 4th next start  Undecided


OL,

I'm a big fan of horses coming from the back---who can run big sectionals---BUT---and I say BUT--you need to know if there is speed in the race---if you look and there is none--sectionals mean 

In a lot of races--the speed is too slow--so sectionals don't mean a hell of a lot in these races.

In a true run race---the good sectional horse--in the right position will mostly prevail.

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2010-Jan-18, 10:11 PM

First thing that has to be said is that in modern racing if ya keep backing horses that come from the tail, you'll end up like just joking: hawking tips.

These days our good jockeys are smarter, are better judges of pace, and know their form better than their predecessors.  Ya have to be handy in today's fields of 8-12.

Now, these "good sectional horses" we keep hearing about from our guru....  That, with respect, is a load of crap.  What he's referring to as horses who can "quicken" when required.  Some do it well, some can't do it all, and most are somewhere in between.

There's nothing new (or clever) in saying that the pace of a race is a major determinant.  If only we could put our bets on at the 800.  Experienced race-watchers DO NOT need sectional times to know if a race was run truly.

As for those horses that record "good sectionals", that's all well and good for that race - and that race alone.  Rather than prattle on about them being "good sectional horses" we should note them as horses which, when given the right pace, etc, can run home faster than others.

Above all, write down in big bold letters: HORSES ARE NOT MACHINES
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2010-Jan-18, 10:42 PM

First thing that has to be said is that in modern racing if ya keep backing horses that come from the tail, you'll end up like just joking: hawking tips.

These days our good jockeys are smarter, are better judges of pace, and know their form better than their predecessors.  Ya have to be handy in today's fields of 8-12.

Now, these "good sectional horses" we keep hearing about from our guru....  That, with respect, is a load of crap.  What he's referring to as horses who can "quicken" when required.  Some do it well, some can't do it all, and most are somewhere in between.

There's nothing new (or clever) in saying that the pace of a race is a major determinant.  If only we could put our bets on at the 800.  Experienced race-watchers DO NOT need sectional times to know if a race was run truly.

As for those horses that record "good sectionals", that's all well and good for that race - and that race alone.  Rather than prattle on about them being "good sectional horses" we should note them as horses which, when given the right pace, etc, can run home faster than others.

Above all, write down in big bold letters: HORSES ARE NOT MACHINES


DD--this is a thread reply--that i agree 100%--- so you do know your racehorses---

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2010-Jan-18, 10:49 PM

Ironically, from the perspective of a place punter, which DD is, racing style is much less important. On-pacers do better win-wise over sprint courses than habitual backmarkers, but there is little to pick between them as regards running the place.
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