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Original Post 2009-May-31, 09:39 PM


One of the world's great races to be run next Saturday Night June 6th AEST. 20 left in the field at the moment.

First leg winner of the triple crown was the John Oxx trained Sea The Stars (by Cape Cross).

Early favourite is the unbeaten  Fame And Glory (Montjeu) from the O'Brien stable, one of 9 they have nommed.

Geldings ineligible.

THE INVESTEC DERBY

Class 1, Group 1, £1,250,000 Total Prize Fund, Epsom Downs, Saturday, June 6, 2009. For three-year-olds only, entire colts & fillies, one mile & four furlongs. Entries closed December 5, 2007, (474 entries). First scratchings deadline noon, March 3, 2009 (138 remained), £8,000 second entry stage noon April 7, 2009, (8 extra entries received), second forfeit stage May 21, 2009, (20 remain), £75,000 supplementary entry and five-day confirmation stage noon, June 1, 2009, final declaration stage 10am, June 4, 2009. Form figures supplied by Weatherbys and are correct up to and including the racing of Wednesday, May 20, 2009. May not include some overseas form.

Form Horse Owner Trainer

(1)4-1 AGE OF AQUARIUS (IRE) Sue Magnier Aidan O'Brien IRE

21-31 BLACK BEAR ISLAND (IRE) Sue Magnier Aidan O'Brien IRE

0(1)21-0 CROWDED HOUSE Paul Reddam, Carmen Burrell, J Harvey Brian Meehan

4-(1)13 DEBUSSY (IRE) H R H Princess Haya of Jordan John Gosden

11-11 FAME AND GLORY Derrick Smith, Sue Magnier, Michael Tabor Aidan O'Brien IRE

(1)-33 FATHER TIME Khalid Abdulla Henry Cecil

32-1223 FERGUS MCIVER (IRE) Netherfield House Stud Jim Bolger IRE

341-2 FREEMANTLE Derrick Smith, Sue Magnier, Michael Tabor Aidan O'Brien IRE

312-3 GAN AMHRAS (IRE) Jackie Bolger Jim Bolger IRE

3541-41 GOLDEN SWORD Michael Tabor, Derrick Smith & Sue Magnier Aidan O'Brien IRE

34-61 JOHANN ZOFFANY Michael Tabor, Derrick Smith & Sue Magnier Aidan O'Brien IRE

211-5 KITE WOOD (IRE) Godolphin Saeed bin Suroor

35- LOCH LONG (IRE) Thistle Bloodstock Limited Tracey Collins IRE

1-3 MALIBU BAY (USA) Sue Magnier Aidan O'Brien IRE

2130-2 MASTEROFTHEHORSE (IRE) Michael Tabor Aidan O'Brien IRE

21-2 MONTAFF Barry Walters Catering Mick Channon

110-4 RIP VAN WINKLE (IRE) Sue Magnier, Michael Tabor & Derrick Smith Aidan O'Brien IRE

411-1 SEA THE STARS (IRE) Christopher Tsui John Oxx IRE

21 SOUTH EASTER (IRE) Markus Jooste & Bernard kanor William Haggas

22-1 TORAIDHE (IRE) Peter Canavan Jim Bolger IRE

20 entries remain after May 21 scratchings deadline
14 Irish-trained


http://www.epsomderby.co.uk/news/Epsom37777.ink
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2009-May-31, 10:41 PM

How can this race be a Group 1 if geldings are ineligible?  wink
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2009-May-31, 11:15 PM

How can this race be a Group 1 if geldings are ineligible?  wink


Maybe there's an orgy afterwards  lol
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2009-May-31, 11:17 PM

How can this race be a Group 1 if geldings are ineligible?  wink



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2009-Jun-01, 10:41 AM

What is Group 1 racing coming to when we allow winners who get an advantage through handicap weight relief or restricting the opposition by some conditional clause that excludes a fair proportion of the horse population in the relevant age, to claim that distinction.

I can't see how the winner of this race could ever claim to be the best of anything.  Thumb Down
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What is Group 1 racing coming to when we allow winners who get an advantage through handicap weight relief or restricting the oposition by some conditional clause that excludes a fair proportion of the horse population in the relevant age, to claim that distinction. 






Thumb Up   I agree with your first comment.

chin The second one is arguable. Do you realise that group racings ONLY reason for existence is for breeding purposes ?
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2009-Jun-01, 12:20 PM

No.  wacko
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2009-Jun-01, 12:27 PM

No.  wacko


Despite what some people will tell us, that is basically the only purpose of placing races into group catagories. BREEDING and resultant Sales catalogues.

All the classics in EUROPE and the UK are closed to geldings. As far as i know the only race for older horses closed to geldings is the ARC.

These races where closed to geldings long before black type racing came into existence. The whole purpose of thoroughbred racing was the big circle - Breeding - racing - breeding - racing - breeding - racing.
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2009-Jun-01, 02:17 PM

Despite what some people will tell us, that is basically the only purpose of placing races into group catagories. BREEDING and resultant Sales catalogues.

All the classics in EUROPE and the UK are closed to geldings.



Oh, I get it now. It's to make the performances of potential sires look better than they really are so that they can charge people more money in fees.
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2009-Jun-01, 03:24 PM


Oh, I get it now. It's to make the performances of potential sires look better than they really are so that they can charge people more money in fees.




I am not sure that any particular stallions or their owners are advantaged by this ?

The rest of the world is not so quick to geld their horses, that is an Australianism or even A Southern Hemispherism.
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2009-Jun-03, 12:35 PM

Aidan O'Brien Fields Six Of 13 Remaining In Derby

Story By Paul Eacott, Racing Post

Tuesday, 2 June 2009: Aidan O'Brien has Fame And Glory and Rip Van Winkle among six possibles left in the Investec Derby after taking a trio of his contenders out at the five-day stage.

Freemanatle was the most notable of the absentees, while French Derby-bound Malibu Bay and last week's handicap winner Johann Zofanny were also taken out of the Epsom Classic.

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A total of 13 colts were left in the race, with O'Brien also having Age Of Aquarius, Black Bear Island, Golden Sword and Masterofthehorse as possibles as he goes in pursuit of a third Derby win.

Last year's winning trainer Jim Bolger has taken Fergus McIver out of the race, but still has Stanjames 2,000 Guineas third Gan Amhras left in.

Sea The Stars will look to become the first 2,000 Guineas winner to follow up in the Derby since Nashwan in 1989 after being left in the race by trainer John Oxx.

All five of the horses trained in Britain stood their ground, with the home challenge, at the moment, likely to be led by Godolphin's Kite Wood and Crowded House whose trainer Brian Meehan is due to make a decision about his participation in the race early this week.
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2009-Jun-05, 01:15 AM

EPSOM RUK

MEETING INFOCOURSE MAPSTATISTICSFAVOURITESSIGNPOSTSSTANDARD TIMESPRINT-OUTS

GOING: Derby course - GOOD (Good to firm in places; GoingStick 8.2); 5f course - GOOD TO FIRM (Good in places; GoingStick 8.7) (Watering). (Chilly at first; a mostly cloudy day is expected with the risk of showers; gentle easterly winds)
STALLS: 5f - Stands' side; 6f - Outside; 1m4f - Centre; Remainder - Inside

1:25 Investec Sir Clement Freud Memorial Stakes (Heritage Handicap) Cl2 1m2f18y » Card
1:55 Investec Woodcote Stakes (Listed Race) Cl1 6f » Card
2:25 Princess Elizabeth Stakes (Sponsored By Investec) (Group 3) (Fillies & Mares) Cl1 1m114y » Card
3:00 Investec "Dash" (Heritage Handicap) Cl2 5f » Card » Betting
3:45 Investec Derby (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies) Cl1 1m4f10y » Card » Betting
4:30 Investec Surefooted Stakes (Handicap) Cl2 1m4f10y » Card
5:05 Investec Distinctive Stakes (Handicap) Cl2 6f » Card

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2009-Jun-05, 01:18 AM

OAKS DAY

EPSOM RUK

MEETING INFOCOURSE MAPSTATISTICSFAVOURITESSIGNPOSTSSTANDARD TIMESPRINT-OUTS

GOING: GOOD (Good to firm in places; GoingStick 8.2) (Dolled out from 6f to finish, adding approximately 10 yards to race distances; home straight dolled out 5 yards). (A chilly start; cloudy with the chance of showers, especially later in the day; gentle south-easterly winds)
STALLS: 1m 4f - Centre; Remainder - Inside

1:40 Investec Diomed Stakes (Group 3) Cl1 1m114y BBC2 » Card » Betting
2:10 Investec Mile (Handicap) Cl2 1m114y BBC2 » Card » Betting
2:45 Investec Coronation Cup (Group 1) Cl1 1m4f10y BBC2 » Card » Betting
3:25 Investec Challenge (Heritage Handicap) Cl2 1m2f18y BBC2 » Card » Betting
4:05 Investec Oaks (Group 1) (Fillies) Cl1 1m4f10y BBC2 » Card » Betting
4:50 Investec Surrey Stakes (Listed Race) Cl1 7f » Card » Betting
5:25 Investec Opportunity Stakes (Handicap) Cl2 7f » Card » Betting

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2009-Jun-07, 01:05 AM

This winner See the Stars was bolting throughout. They say he's already got a worth of £40million.
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2009-Jun-07, 05:49 AM

NSW TAB Dividends

12-SEA THE STARS 3.70 1.10
5-FAME AND GLORY 1.80   
9-MASTEROFTHEHORSE 5.20 
   
Qin 12 - 5 7.60
Exa 12 - 5 12.20 
Due 12 - 5 2.30
Due 12 - 9 13.80 
Due 5 - 9 19.70 
Tri 12 - 5 - 9 254.80 
R-d 20 - 12 90.70
           
at 01:09
scr - 13
Sub = 12, SEA THE STARS 
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