monologue
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A bit of discussion about town regarding the whether changing the format for the 2 main days of the QTC carnival to just one major Super day worked .
On retro it was stated the Lightning and the TJ Smith were "lost" in amongst the other majors of the day.
With the focus on the Straddie, Derby and I suppose to a lesser extent the Cup the others races did not receive the same amount of publicity as they have in the past when these races were conducted on the long weekend Monday.
Also plent of talk about possibly adding another race or two on the programme.
I enjoyed the day and thought it worked well and I'm sure it is here to stay .
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2009-Jun-09, 12:50 PM
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Dunno what criteria we'd use to answer the question, mono.
QTC's bottom line is certainly all the better off for it. Public holiday meetings are killers for a complex as large as EF. Hopefully things went well for BTC yesterday.
I'd think the Saturday package would be more appealing to the racing public than the same races spread over 2 days. Promotion is more effective with a card full of Listed and Group races.
The crowd at EF on Saturday looked bigger than I've seen at a Stradbroke for many years. That means more people were exposed to the thrills of live racing. The poor weather during the week would have done some damage, I'd venture to say.
The UNiTAB hold was up about 10% on last year's by my reckoning. The heavy track would have knocked a fair bit off. Last year's track was slow.
I'm pretty sure the concept is here to stay. 
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2009-Jun-09, 01:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure the concept is here to stay. We thought the same about Randwick's Easter Super Saturday |
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2009-Jun-09, 01:03 PM
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YES YES YES
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2009-Jun-09, 01:08 PM
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From a viewers perspective a big YES.
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2009-Jun-09, 01:11 PM
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Unitab Win Holdings comparing Mondays this year and last year (rounded down to the nearest $1,000 - after all, it is TAB maths we are using).
Mon June 9th 2008 Eagle Farm (track slow 6) : $1,860,000 dollars
Mon June 8th 2009 Doomben (track slow 6) : $1,376,000 dollars
That's a pretty significant difference.
Without counting them, there appeared to be a lot more scratchings last year, and only 5 went around in the TJ Smith, won by that wonderful horse Rockdale.
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2009-Jun-09, 01:37 PM
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You would now have to compare the two saturdays PP7 .
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2009-Jun-09, 01:46 PM
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A big day deserves a big programme. 10 races would suit and reserved seating for the ones that turn up every week.  |
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2009-Jun-09, 02:14 PM
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The TAB turnover has to be matched with the prizemoney offered.
This year's Dbn prizemoney (Monday) would be way less than what was offered at EF last year.
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2009-Jun-09, 02:55 PM
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So in 2008 on Stradbroke day EF offered $1.875 million prizemoney, in 2009 they offered $2.8 million in prizemoney, a whopping increase of about 50% in increased prizemoney for the day. For that increase they got an extra 10% T/O.  The Monday prizemoney decreased from $1.375 million 2008 to $450,000 2009 an incredible 60% again with T/O dropping less than 30% odd.  Those stats can obviously be deceptive without knowing figures.If anyone can put up exact figures regarding T/O as well as a comparitive attendance figure for both years it would be helpful in deciding but at this stage it doesn't look good from where I am sitting. |
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2009-Jun-09, 03:31 PM
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I must also agree that Stradbroke day should be a 9-10 race programme to capitilise on T/O and that other potential 'feature' races are lost in the mix on these big days.
I don't know how to do the quote thing but DD says 'cards full of group and listed races are easier to promote'.
I would challenge that theory when it comes to the major race of the year.
Look at Melbourne Cup Day which is the highest T/O day of the year Australia wide, they are disgraceful races to support the main race but with the promotion for the feature they get the crowd and the T/O for all races.
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2009-Jun-09, 05:37 PM
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A few comments...
Taking yesterday's win pool total at face value, it's about twice that recorded at a regular DBN or EF mid-week, for many times the prizemoney. Looking into the future, I can see the QB Monday meeting reduced in status (so far as prizemoney goes). Racegoers don't go to the track on Mondays, and betting turnover will always be much less than on a Saturday.
EF/QTC have traditionally carried most of the Brisbane public holiday meetings. For various reasons, these days impose significant losses to the host club. No longer are they profitable to the extent they were when few people owned cars, and we used crystal radios, etc etc. Losses to race clubs are really losses to the racing industry, and must be reeled in.
Re the promotion of a "Super Saturday"...the budget can be directed at just one meeting, rather than two. The bigger the promotion for the Stradbroke, the more attractive is the day for other sponsors. They'll be ready to pay more, thus adding more to the industry coffers. As crowds have dwindled, sponsors for the QB Monday meeting weren't exactly queueing up at QTC's door.
I don't think Melbourne Cup day is a reasonable analogy. That meeting is all about one race, and VRC can - good luck to them - make a motza on just one race.
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2009-Jun-09, 05:42 PM
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Meant to comment on the 10-race proposal....
Yeah, maybe. We were presenting the Guineas trophy in moonlight on Saturday. Race days around the solstice are gonna be pretty short.
Some will say "well start early". Yeah, maybe. Will the increase in TAB hold make up for the increase in operating bandwidth? I doubt it. And will there be more people at the track? I doubt it. But there'll be significant increase in race-day operational costs, plus an increased risk of trouble from unruly patrons. 
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2009-Jun-09, 05:43 PM
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10 races on the E.F track on Sat, would have totally trashed it  |
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2009-Jun-09, 05:57 PM
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Yeah, another point for considerat, MagiC.
But we'd like to plan on having a good track for a Stradbroke some time this century. 
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