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Original Post 2009-Jun-12, 02:06 PM

Guessing game - who will train top 2YO
Brad Waters
Thursday, 11 June 2009


One of Australia’s most exciting two-year-olds is without a trainer after a shock departure from a leading stable.

Talented colt Tickets, raced by high-profile owner Peter Moran and his wife Wendy, has left the Randwick stables of John O’Shea and will be prepared for a spring campaign by a Melbourne trainer.

The Morans also own promising colt Trounce and the son of Encosta De Lago colt has also left O’Shea’s stable.

A trainer for Tickets, a son of Redoute’s Choice, will be decided in the next few days but a Caulfield-based horseman is favoured to get the nod.

“Tickets has left John O’Shea’s stable because I thought he would need a bit more of a spell before the spring and with his spring targets he would be better suited in Victoria,” Moran said.

“He needs to come back into work shortly to give him every chance at his main aim which is the Caulfield Guineas in the spring and then the Newmarket Handicap in the autumn.

“It’s too late to have him ready for the Golden Rose so he’ll do all of his racing in Melbourne. I didn’t want him travelling so he will do all of his spring racing in Melbourne.

“The decision will be made in the next 24 to 36 hours but I am thinking maybe the best place for him to be trained in Melbourne is at Caulfield because the Guineas will be run there.

“Peter Moody and Mick Price are both top trainers, they and others, are under consideration.

“Trounce will go to the same stable as Tickets. He has a bit of a way to go before he’s anywhere near as good as Tickets but he’s a nice horse as well.”

Tickets is spelling at Oakridge, west of Sydney.

A half-brother to Group I winners Duporth and Excites, Tickets raced five times under O’Shea’s care, winning the Group II Pago Pago Stakes and the Listed Canonbury Stakes.

In spite of being exempt from ballot for the Golden Slipper after his Pago Pago win, Tickets didn’t run in the world’s richest two-year-old race.

Instead, the colt raced in the Sires’ Produce and Champagne Stakes, finishing second behind Manhattan Rain and Onemorenomore respectively.

Tickets has banked more than $335,000 in stakes and is potentially one of Australia’s brightest young stallion prospects if he can win a Group I race.
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2012-Mar-06, 01:15 AM

Randwick trainer John O'Shea's tip was a bad bet, court hears

ONE of the nation's best racehorse trainers has been ordered to pay about $270,000 to a former client because his racehorse had a dicky knee.

Randwick trainer John O'Shea recommended debt collector Humberto Vieira buy a share of the horse Dashere at the Magic Millions sale in January 2007.

The Court of Appeal was told that O'Shea asked vet Richard Humberstone to inspect the horse before they decided to buy it.

Dr Humberstone said that the horse was a "low risk" if it was given six months to rest.

In January 2007 Mr Vieira asked O'Shea if "the vet says (the horse) is OK?"

O'Shea replied: "Nothing wrong with him. The horse is good".

But the vet inspection showed the horse had previously had a cyst on its knee which had been treated with an injection.

Mr Vieira did not learn about the horse's injury until July 2007, shortly before the horse needed surgery. The horse could not race for months afterwards.

The Court of Appeal found that O'Shea's recommendation that Mr Vieira buy the horse was a breach of contract.

Mr Vieira is the chief executive of debt collection company Accounts Control Management Services.
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2012-Mar-07, 12:10 PM

Heard them talking on the racing radio this morning & after court costs, they were saying it was more like a $400,000 bill O'Shea has been ordered to pay & a possibility he would leave the racing industry.

Really, you wonder why he wouldn't tell the buyer the whole truth esp involving that amount of $. Obviously O'Shea is guilty of hiding the facts from the buyer but they were also saying that it can't really be proved the cyst was the entire problem for the horses on track performances. Maybe the horse wouldn't have done much anyway without the cyst.   Shrug 

 
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2012-Mar-07, 12:28 PM

I would imagine 99% of people understand that buying a yearling racehorse is a massive gamble. They do not need to be starting behind the eight ball before it gets to the track.
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2012-Mar-07, 12:47 PM

I would think both your statements are correct.
Buying a yearling a massive gamble & also people not wanting to pay for a problem that is known by others & not disclosed. Some would say that it is the racing industry & buyer beware at all times. 

Others would draw a comparison. If it was a car that was sold for $300K & the buyer found out later that the car dealer knew the engine was faulty, should their be a duty of care from the dealer to disclose this to the purchaser or should the dealer simply not say anything & let the buyer find out a few months down the track that he's bought a lemon.   
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2012-Mar-07, 02:08 PM


O'Shea to consider future after lost appeal
Chris Roots
March 6, 2012.


LEADING trainer John O'Shea is ''considering his future in the industry'' after the Court of Appeal ordered him to pay more than $500,000 in damages and costs yesterday.

Owner Humberto Vieira, who bought a 70 per cent of Dashere, a $330,000 purchase at the 2007 Magic Millions Sales, took action against O'Shea after the son of Dehere's career was adversely affected by a cyst on a stifle.

O'Shea, who prepares one of the favourites for Saturday's Newmarket Handicap - Foxwedge, had won the initial court ruling in December 2010. He was shattered at the Court Of Appeal judgment last night.

''I'm assessing my future and whether I continue in the industry,'' O'Shea said. ''I have been struggling with this [case] for the past four years, and all my fight is just about gone.

''It has major ramifications for the industry and trainers or agents that buy yearlings and then sell them to clients.''

Dashere finally made it to the track trained by David Pfeiffer last year as a five-year-old after a long recovery from the injury, and its only win came in a Quambone maiden last September.

The damages findings were determined on whether O'Shea informed Vieira ''the precise terms of the veterinary clinician's assessment''. Randwick Equine Centre conducted a clinical inspection and X-ray assessment for O'Shea, which classed the colt was ''low risk with time'' because of cystic lucency in its hind left stifle.

The classification was found to be an acknowledgment of a veterinary problem, which had not been passed on to Vieira.

O'Shea is likely to have to pay the damages himself because the public indemnity insurance through the Australian Trainers' Association only extended to $75,000.

Major industry players wanted to read the judgment before making comment, including Racing NSW chairman John Messara and Thoroughbred Breeders' Trevor Lobb, with the Easter Yearling Sales next month.

Inglis director Jonathan D'Arcy said there were ''a lot of grey areas'' when buying yearlings. ''We will look at the ruling and work with our clients to do everything to protect them in the future,'' D'Arcy said.

O'Shea has brought a cross-appeal against the Randwick Equine Centre.
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2012-Mar-07, 04:15 PM

if foxwedge doesnt win the doncaster then hes gone from what i hear
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2012-Mar-07, 04:44 PM

Doesn't say much for his training Business if that is the case.

Surely his best way out would be to train winners or obv it is Not what he does Best.

Good Luck in whatever he does, love his nik by Racing Bitch.
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2012-Mar-07, 05:54 PM

Read the decision of the learned judges  ....................and get the full story.


http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/nsw/NSWCA/2012/21.html
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2012-Mar-07, 08:59 PM

Super work Arsenal - was just about to start searching  Thumb Up   Thumb Up
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2012-Mar-07, 09:30 PM

Mr Oshea should be like Nash and say nada.

Makes you wonder why he and his legal team spent the dollars and time.

I wonder just how many people are taken for rides and next to No chance of getting their Dollars back.

Thanks Arsenal, good read.
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2012-Mar-08, 05:47 AM

AInt karma a bitch. Couldnt think of anyone better for something like this to happen.
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2012-Mar-08, 07:52 AM

He's young, and he's got some promising horses coming through.  He's not going anywhere. 

Hore-Lacy must be wondering what all the fuss is about.  O'Shea is only in a 500k hole...
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2012-Mar-08, 10:21 AM

chin to get 500k you either borrow it from a rich friend/relative or you go out and get it >...............if you have not got access to the previous 2 kind souls........you have to earn a million to keep 500k in the land of Oz tax regime...he may have to go asia......by the way if there's anyone reading here that thinks you could go to a bank............and borrow 500k ..............u rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr dreammmminnn  wacko
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2012-Mar-08, 10:33 AM

chin to get 500k you either borrow it from a rich friend/relative or you go out and get it >...............if you have not got access to the previous 2 kind souls........you have to earn a million to keep 500k in the land of Oz tax regime...he may have to go asia......by the way if there's anyone reading here that thinks you could go to a bank............and borrow 500k ..............u rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr dreammmminnn  wacko


If a person can not pay that sort of amount surely the courts would allow a pay off over time system ?

I have no idea really but What is the point of sending the bloke out of business and getting nothing ?

It also affects O'Shea's family.

Whilst I have no time for these practices in the industry the fact this bloke has done nothing more than what probably goes on in the whole industry, the industry should come to the party and help him out but close all these loop holes.

As I said what is the point in sending him out of the industry or bankruptcy what will Humberto Vieira get out of that ?
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